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Started by CAT52! [Ignore] 14,May,20 02:51  other posts
NEW STUFF, OLD STUFF, ANY STUFF. POST WHAT YOU LIKE, ASK WHAT YOU LIKE, LEAVE MSGS HERE. PLEASE BE CIVIL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BITCH, DO IT WITH SOME CLASS. IF YOU LIKE WHAT'S WRITTEN,COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, COMMENT. ALL I ASK IS PROOF.

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By CAT52! [Ignore] 29,May,26 23:25 other posts 
I hope Vance doesn’t run in 2028
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By phart [Ignore] 30,May,26 07:12 other posts 
Since you brought it up, who would you like to see run?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,May,26 09:55 other posts 
Oh, oh, let me try!
A white male of the age between 45 and 65, so you don't get to do your racist, sexist and agist hate-propaganda.
He should be very pro working class and pro SMALL business and solidly against the oligarchy. He should be a tough corruption fighter, and support solid anti-corruption laws on the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches, especially ALL the horribly corrupt politicians, judges and Supreme Court justices. They should be indicted, arrested, and prosecuted for their criminal offenses.
He should promise that Trump, Elon Musk and all of their Epstein class co-conspirators should never see another day outside of a jail cell, until justice has been served.

Names? There are so many strong fighters who are fed up with your bullshit, that it will be a big primary to pick the best one. The American people by a large majority are awake now. A strong anti-corruption, anti-oligarchy fighter will obliterate any of your goons.

Still, there are a lot of scammers who can play one convincingly and then turn like a top.
I hope the American people have finally learned to see through the bullshit.
By dgraff [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 07:19 other posts 
What the fuck is wrong with you?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 09:27 other posts 
I want consequences for criminals. Since when do you think that's wrong?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 30,May,26 11:41 other posts 
Reality shows its hand. I’m assuming certain candidates, the usual, will run. That limits the field considerably. Governor Newsom, by my standards, represents the one that comes closest to them. Ananas’s post has some good points. I want the current bunch of self serving, criminal and/or cult followers to be gone. If they merit prosecution, fine, but in a legal and fair way.
I remember voting for Reagan. I, a diehard Democrat, voted for a Republican because HE was the better choice. I’m saying this because I vote for the good of my country and not because of some misguided support for , well, what we have now. And, if by Election Day, a better choice comes around, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, I’ll vote for that candidate.
By phart [Ignore] 30,May,26 17:16 other posts 
frankly I would have to look long and hard to find someone to run besides the 1's that are the probable 1's. I would have to vote against the dems, they just don't do it for me.
but I can at least vote in either primary since I am unaffiliated. on that note, a couple of my friends and i were talking around a fire barrel the other night and we have about decided to vote in the democrat primary for president. Because we could place a vote for the lousyest 1, and maybe that would be a nip in the bud for their "best" candidate.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 30,May,26 17:55 other posts 
But you can’t vote for more than one. I don’t see the value in throwing away your vote that way
By phart [Ignore] 31,May,26 07:39 other posts 
well in the primary it's not that important as the election. I could vote for a lousy democrat to help take away votes from their "star" so to speak and then in november vote for the republican. it would mess up the democrats web if enough people would do that ,preventing their "best" candidate from being able to run, their enept 1 would run and loose big.
By dgraff [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 07:22 other posts 
Take your pick all the Democrats are lousy
By phart [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 09:32 other posts 
yea but there is bound to be 1 that is lousyererer ererer
By CAT52! [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 11:15 other posts 
You know? That’s a great idea. We Democrats can do the same. Then the two worst candidates can duke it out.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. 🤣🤣🍆
By phart [Ignore] 01,Jun,26 15:46 other posts 
and the end result would still result in bickering and bitching. but you would have to give up your registered democrat status in order to do that. then you would be a fish out of water, a solution without a problem, a third tit on a goat.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jun,26 10:29 other posts 
There are at least 20 Democrats who represent the working class and can give
a great, coherent and motivational speech, communicating values, explaining exactly the problem with the corrupt Trump regime and who propose clear solutions to put the US on a path of recovery.

Trump has never been coherent and motivational, he has been chaotic and inflammatory. Besides the base, he only attracted the disillusioned working class voters with false promises. He has lost all of them, and only the cult remains.
There is no one who can fill the shoes of the cult leader, but there is certainly
no one who can win back the disillusioned working class voters.
Who do you have? JD Vance? He only fools the base, but he doesn't inspire it. Even Trump has had it with him. Do you think that Marco Rubio can pick up the cult? He has even less charisma than JD. You have no candidates left who can replace the "strong charismatic leader", all you have left are his minions.
Maybe one stands up after Trump finally kicks the bucket, but I think that people
aren't fooled by a new one anymore. They know the type now, and they learned
how useless and destructive they are.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 03,Jun,26 10:26 other posts 
The base is pretty dumb and desperate
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Jun,26 12:47 other posts 
Here is what ChatGPT created after some discussion on the topic:

People who become deeply committed to a political movement, religious group, ideology, or even a cult are usually not there because something is inherently wrong with them. Human beings are social creatures whose beliefs are influenced by identity, belonging, emotions, incentives, and social environments as much as by logic.

Whether someone becomes deeply attached to a movement is rarely explained by a single factor. It emerges from an interaction between circumstances, individual characteristics, group dynamics, and chance.

High-control groups and strongly identity-based movements often use mechanisms such as:
- Gradual escalation of commitment.
- Providing community, purpose, and belonging.
- Creating a strong distinction between insiders and outsiders.
- Encouraging loyalty to the group or leader.
- Framing criticism as hostile or illegitimate.
- Increasing the psychological cost of dissent.
- Normalizing ideas or behaviors that initially seemed extreme.
- Rewarding conformity and punishing deviation socially.

Personal addition:
Trump is using these mechanisms to perfection. He is probably not doing it all deliberately, the behavior may arise naturally from his personality, instincts, worldview, and interpersonal style, rather than from a calculated plan.

These mechanisms can produce behavior that outsiders find puzzling. Members may defend actions they once condemned, overlook contradictions, or reinterpret events in ways that protect the group. This is not necessarily because they are unintelligent. Similar tendencies appear in many human groups.

At the same time, susceptibility is not entirely random. Some factors can make a person more resistant:
- Comfort with disagreement.
- Strong independent social networks.
- Tolerance for uncertainty.
- Habitually questioning authority figures.
- Willingness to revise beliefs when evidence changes.

Yet even these traits do not create immunity. Highly intelligent, educated, skeptical, and independent-minded people have joined cults, political movements, ideological causes, and organizations that later proved harmful.

When people observe strong loyalty to a leader—whether in MAGA, a revolutionary movement, a religious sect, or another cause—they often conclude that supporters must possess some defective character trait. Usually the reality is more complicated. What often looks like a character flaw from the outside can emerge from ordinary psychological processes such as identity formation, social belonging, fear of exclusion, confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, and sunk-cost thinking.

That does not mean all movements are equally healthy or equally prone to these dynamics. Some organizations and movements encourage independent criticism more than others. But the existence of intense loyalty, rationalization, or hypocrisy by itself does not prove that members are fundamentally different kinds of people. More often, it shows how powerful group identity can become when personal identity and group identity start to merge.

So if a movement exhibits cult-like behavior, the most useful explanation is usually not that its members possess a special "cult member personality." Rather, it is that ordinary human tendencies—belonging, loyalty, conformity, identity protection, and motivated reasoning—have become unusually strong within a particular social and political environment.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Jun,26 07:15 other posts 
MAGA Candidate ADMITS TO M*RDER In TOTAL TRAINWRECK Interview!!
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So, you killed someone when you were 7 y.o.,
is that the only person you've ever killed?

Thinking long and hard....

"Well, I would say, as a child, yes!"
"Do you think you have killed people, as an adult?"
"Does it matter?"


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jun,26 11:05 other posts 
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They are not collaborators, if they were never on your side.
They (CBS) are just big business, even if they act liberal.


By CAT52! [Ignore] 30,May,26 18:05 other posts 
Very scary. Ebola unchecked can be deadly in huge numbers.

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By phart [Ignore] 31,May,26 07:37 other posts 
yea and Trump wants to send the ebola people back to kenya instead of them wandering around here in the us spreading it.https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/28/ebola-kenya-congo-uganda-epidemic-00941790
By CAT52! [Ignore] 31,May,26 09:32 other posts 
Good idea but does Kenia want the help?
By phart [Ignore] 31,May,26 10:33 other posts 
wouldn't matter to me, nip it in the bud!

Africa is the origin of several severe infectious diseases, most notably other viral hemorrhagic fevers like Marburg and Lassa, respiratory illnesses like MERS, and widely spread diseases such as HIV and Malaria , zika, ,mpox, ebola, ecoli,
etc,
what else needs to come from there before we stand up and say enough?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 31,May,26 11:50 other posts 
That’s more than enough. Restrict entry for Kenians. Surely you don’t support boot on the ground invasion, do you? 🤣
By phart [Ignore] 31,May,26 15:00 other posts 
Naw, just tell em to stay away from the USA
You cannot get Ebola from them walking around. Ebola doesn't spread through the air. The countries that are affected are doing a lot to contain it to their area themselves.
Calling them 'the ebola people' is damn racist.

Lots of Americans don't want to vaccinate for anything. How about Europe closes
the borders to Americans, unless they can prove that they got all their shots?


By CAT52! [Ignore] 29,May,26 23:02 other posts 
I miss him so much.

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By CAT52! [Ignore] 29,May,26 20:07 other posts 
It should never have been allowed. It’s a disgrace.

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By phart [Ignore] 29,May,26 08:51 other posts 
Ananas, did you pay for this study?
Winnie the pooh and friends are very ill.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,May,26 12:09 other posts 
This is not a real study, this is a parody written to poke gentle fun at the medical community's tendency to over-diagnose, label, and pathologize everyday human behaviors.

Winnie-the-Pooh: Diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) due to his severe fixation on honey and repetitive counting behaviors. The authors also suggest he may eventually present with Tourette's syndrome.

Piglet: Diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) because of his extreme, pervasive nervousness.

Eeyore: Diagnosed with severe, chronic depression (dysthymia) and "anhe(haw)donia"
(a clever play on anhedonia, the inability to feel pleasure).

Tigger: Exhibits classic hyperactive and risk-taking patterns, including impulsively ingesting unknown substances (like thistles and haycorns) when he first arrives in the forest.

Owl & Rabbit: Owl shows signs of dyslexia (jumbling his letters and spelling his name
"W-O-L"), while Rabbit is overly narcissistic and micro-managing.

Christopher Robin: Though not yet presenting a clear condition, the authors express concern over his lack of parental supervision and the fact that he spends all his time talking to animals.

The paper was written by a group of Canadian neurodevelopmental pediatricians;
Drs. Sarah Shea, Kevin Gordon, Ann Hawkins, Janet Kawchuk, and Donna Smith.
They were affiliated with the Developmental Clinic at the IWK Grace Health Centre and Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Despite being a joke, it was written so convincingly that it made global headlines and even won a Canadian gold prize for journalistic excellence in the "One-of-a-Kind" article category.

No one funded it, because it was a parody written for holiday entertainment rather than a clinical trial or real research project, it received zero financial backing or research grants.

This phenomenon is widely known in the academic world as satirical science or academic parody. It represents a unique tradition where serious, highly qualified scientists apply rigorous research methodologies, complex statistics, and flawless academic writing to completely absurd, fictional, or lighthearted topics.
It requires an immense amount of intelligence to pull off effectively. To write a successful academic parody, you must understand the rules of scientific research so perfectly that you can bend them to create humor without breaking the format.

Scientists generally do this for three main reasons:

- A Mental Safety Valve: High-level research (such as studying terminal illnesses or climate change) is emotionally heavy and highly stressful. Writing a satirical paper is a crucial creative outlet that allows academics to blow off steam and show their sense of humor.

- Critiquing the System: Many of these papers carry a hidden, sharp message. By using flawless statistics to "prove" something completely ridiculous, scientists subtly mock the academic publishing industry. They are showing that if you manipulate data or ask the wrong questions, you can make "official science" look like it proves anything.
(That's why independent peer review matters, because unconnected experts can catch both honest mistakes and deliberate attempts to mislead. When reviewers don’t share incentives or biases, weak logic and bad‑faith, claims are far less likely to slip through, which keeps scientific results trustworthy)

- The Ultimate Inside Joke: It is a celebration of wit within the community. Appearing in a prestigious journal's holiday edition (like The BMJ or CMAJ) with a brilliant piece of satire is a badge of honor. It proves to their peers that they are not just smart, but also clever enough to make the rigid world of science laugh.

I have seen several of these. The first one I saw was many years ago, although this was
a variation made by a lawmaker. It was a brilliant parody of Dutch laws and regulations.
It is written in the typical, bone-dry, and complicated legal language (official Dutch) full of articles, paragraphs, and formal exception clauses. It was called the "General Sinterklaas Ordinance", a legal paper which supposedly regulates the entire logistics and enforcement surrounding the Sinterklaas celebration (Dutch character based on Saint Nicolas of Myra, who is also the basis of Santa Claus). Some people write small stories for fun and others write fake science or legal papers for fun.
By phart [Ignore] 29,May,26 14:26 other posts 
Well, I kinda figured that it was bs but i had to post it and word it that way.couldnt let you think I was starting to slip.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,May,26 16:43 other posts 
It was a good challenge. At first, I thought, what the fuck is this too.
And I'm sure that it's not that hard to find some study that is legit stupid AF.

If you want to find people spending money on stupid studies, look for pseudoscience
or better yet creationist 'science'. Creationists spend between tens to hundreds of millions of dollars per year globally, and the only thing that they end up doing is giving evolution biologists topics to debunk, which they do at a 100% succes rate. Some might have taken a lot of time, but all their supposedly “irreducibly complex” claims have been decisively falsified.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,May,26 08:27 other posts 
There is usually not much worth sharing on your liberal corporate news channels,
but this clip is pretty good.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,May,26 07:14 other posts 
A 23 year old is destroying their talking points with facts and logic.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,May,26 11:50 other posts 
How to Stop the Trump Assassins
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,May,26 10:36 other posts 
How Private Equity Gutted Local Malls: Toys R Us, Joann Fabrics, Red Lobster, Claire's, and More. And then they cal it "investing".
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 26,May,26 11:16 other posts 
Don’t forget K Mart and Sears along with some other long gone ones
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,May,26 16:10 other posts 
The bankruptcy of KMart is probably not caused by private equity, but ESL Investments bought large amounts of Kmart’s debt during bankruptcy and emerged as the controlling owner when the company reorganized. In 2004–2005, ESL Investments merged Kmart with Sears to create Sears Holdings. Then Sears Holdings steadily declined for more than a decade and filed for bankruptcy in 2018.
Critics argued that:
- valuable real estate and brands were sold off,
- stores were underinvested,
- staffing and maintenance were cut heavily,
- and the company focused too much on extracting asset value instead of modernizing the retail business.

It's vulture capitalism and it's very bad for the economy.


By CAT52! [Ignore] 26,May,26 00:46 other posts 
I love to lounge in the pool lanai at midnight sipping some Grand Marnier and listening to some vintage jazz.

Whiskey & Jazz. — Vintage Noir Jazz for Late Night Drinking & Slow Hours

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,May,26 10:34 other posts 
I hope you get to do it, anytime you are in the mood for it.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 26,May,26 11:14 other posts 
Thanks. I do and I will. I’ll be thinking of you.


By CAT52! [Ignore] 23,May,26 13:38 other posts 
I don’t care what’s picked. Just leave it year round.

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By phart [Ignore] 23,May,26 14:55 other posts 
I would have rather we stayed with Eastern Standard Time and etc. if you want to do something early,change your schedule, not the clock.I think it was stupid to ever go with daylight savings time in the first place.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,May,26 07:34 other posts 
England Released 15 Small Animals Into a Dead Forest —
8 Months Later Scientists Were Shocked
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 21,May,26 11:11 other posts 
Hunt down all game keepers.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,May,26 14:24 other posts 
Or let them hunt grey squirrels. Is a bit more challenging target too.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 11,May,26 15:06 other posts 
The largest energy crisis in modern history may be imminent.
Thanks America!
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By Lookatmine2 [Ignore] 12,May,26 02:10 other posts 
You guys should be happy about this! Aren't your type the ones who want to finally get rid of petroleum? Well, here’s your chance! C’mon! Let’s hear some cheering!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,May,26 09:43 other posts 
Electric and fuel economical cars are more popular again, because of Trump, but cars are only a small percentage of the global problem. It takes decades of directed investments into alternative energy, while simultaneously ramping down fossil fuel subsidies/profits, making alternative energy compete with the short term profits of killing humanity.
Trump is doing the exact opposite of that. He is prioritizing more expensive fossil fuel energy, making energy more expensive for American citizens, and polluting their air and water, and accelerating climate change for everyone on the planet.
I would wish that there was ANYTHING that I could cheer for Trump over.
I could forgive him his toxic character, if he had some general positive effect on the world.

A silver lining like promoting those cars cannot compensate for his onslaught of
stupidity, cruelty, divisiveness, authoritarianism, corruption, chaos, existential threat,
and utter incompetence, in which only the last of his malignancies provides some relief.
If he was competent, his harmful effect would probably have been irreversible already.


By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,May,26 07:48 other posts 
Tecsan, Dgraff, Phart, and all the others who said The Clown would be better than Biden or Harris? How about now. Is the highest inflation in years, the highest prices of gas in years, over 3% jump in the price of groceries in the last month is better?
You fools, you got snookered and the rest of us are paying the price. Thanks.
By phart [Ignore] 13,May,26 09:17 other posts 
so you would rather Iran have a nuke for some terrorist to get ahold of and kill us?
I am not happy about 142 dollars to fill up my truck either but i also would not be happy glowing in the dark with my skin falling off after some asshole terrorist got ahold of irans nukes and launched them hollaring alley ackbar
By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,May,26 09:45 other posts 
We attacked a sovereign nation without provocation. They have the right to develop whatever they want to develop until they should the intention to attack us. We don’t belong there. Europe and the rest of the Middle East, especially Israel, are the ones who have to confront Iran. The Clown went in for only one reason, Epstein, and he didn’t count on Iran having the cojones to fight back. In the meantime, we, the citizens of this country (and many others around the world) are the ones that suffer. All because a Clown, an a..whole who can’t wipe his ass, let alone be a President, is trying to play with the big boys.
HE SHOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED.
By phart [Ignore] 13,May,26 14:25 other posts 
Iran is a dictatorship or, more precisely, an authoritarian theocracy

How much more provocation do we need.1979 hostages , backing terror attacks on allies and us.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,May,26 15:03 other posts 
You forgot to tell us WHY all that happened or is happening. The hostage crisis was a direct result of the CIA helping to bring to power the Sha of Iran. One of the most corrupt and bloodthirsty governor of Iran. That’s why during the revolution to topple him the Iranians went after Americans. And why they still hate us.
There’s never a good reason to go to war with a country without provocation. You, Phart, can try to make excuses, but, the truth is the truth.
By dgraff [Ignore] 13,May,26 15:28 other posts 
Your a foolish old woman you need to pick another color to dye your hair because blonde is making you stupid if you dumb ass Democrats would stop trying to block us the war would be over
There country would be a big pile of rubble and wreckage there oil fields would be burning 🔥 there people would be dead in the streets our ground crews would be covering there dead with American flags and our national anthem would be ringing in the air
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Remember the night dessert storm touched off keep that picture in your head
By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,May,26 15:43 other posts 
But, why are we at war? What did they do to us? You talk all tough but a huge majority, from both parties, think this war is unlawful and unnecessary.
But, let’s say we go on with the war. The next step is boots on the ground. Are you enlisting or are you going to hide behind some poor 20 something? Someone who doesn’t want to be there nor knows why we’re there.
Go on, Dgraff, call me a dumb blond, but, from where I stand, you are a lot dumber than me or a whole bunch of people.
By dgraff [Ignore] 14,May,26 06:51 other posts 
It’s simple the whole rest of the world doesn’t trust Iran with nuclear weapons they would certainly abuse that kind of power the whole rest of the world don’t care what the democrats want
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What would have Biden and Harris of done send them pallets of billions of dollars to quiet them down for a while that only worked a short time listen president TRUMP is not the kind of man to roll over and pretend he don’t see what they are doing
By CAT52! [Ignore] 14,May,26 08:52 other posts 
What the rest of the world thinks is not our problem. Under your way of thinking then, if the neighbors around you think that the guy on the mountain is dangerous, then they should lynch him.
Look at what this illegal war has caused (and you know what I mean) and tell me why it’s wrong for Democrats to oppose it.
Biden and Harris are knowledgeable and honorable people that would have not gone to war on a wim. This Clown has a problem keeping his diaper clean let alone governing the country.
By Lookatmine2 [Ignore] 14,May,26 02:08 other posts 
You wouldn’t know better if it kicked you in the box.
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I know enough to SEE what we have for a President


By #623135 22,Jun,21 10:16
Phart posted
So they are already having issues with charging electric cars?
Sheesh,what about in 5 years? The power company are not permited to build new power plants.Solar and wind are going to be important to keep the grid up. But that didn't work in Texas did it?
They make a lot of energy in Texas,but how many folks died over the winter this past 1?

Angel1227!
So a private, for profit, company did not plan on a hard winter so their production of electricity was not sufficient? And this utility, regulated by the states, failed to meet the demands? This state (Texas) governed by Repukers was not regulated correctly so this company spent less on production and got richer because of it? This sounds very much like a Repuker business idea.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Jun,21 22:13 other posts 
Regulation? Hahaha,look at californicated, that is what happens when you over regulate. No one can trim trees off the lines, the power company has to cut power off in high winds,that is the result of Liberal-democrat regulation. Hug the trees,to hell with the humans.
I fault the power companys in texas to a point but I also fault the citizens for lack of preparedness.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 08:10 other posts 
The power companies in Texas are now have trouble providing enough power for air-conditioning. The problem in the winter were not a fluke. It happens again only months later. Prices for power skyrocketed again. Many people again received electric bills for thousands of dollars. Texas' power market is not a good example of 'good' deregulation.

Face it, sometimes you need regulation, especially for basic facilities like power.
By #623135 23,Jun,21 12:19
Did I mention California? Was this the subject of the conversation? This is about Texas and it’s power company. Phart reply to this or open another thread.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 12:27 other posts 
I posted a link to a news report about california having issues with electric car charging,
And I then mentioned the issues in texas with electricity.
What everyone is missing here is the fact there is NOT enough electricity being produced to meet CURRENT demand.As Ananas has indicated.So imagine if you will,5-10 years from now,when there is GREATER demand? What a mess we are in for.
Regulation is not the solution. that is how you GOT TO THIS POINT. To many regulations preventing new power plants being built and trying to snuff out coal,a effective energy source.
By #623135 23,Jun,21 16:34
Phart do you think power companies sat down in the 1920’s and said, “We are building for the future so, in 1945, we stop because there’ll be too many regulations to conduct business”?
You think that if they are running short they won’t try to catch up? The regulations you protest are there to protect the people and the environment. But, knowing how you think, fuck that. Let coal continue to pollute. We’ll be dead by the time our grandkids die of poisoned air.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Jun,21 19:40 other posts 
newest nuclear power plant started in 2016.
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Only 2 under construction according to this chart.
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The US shut down how many? lets see
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Now, we shut down 39 and we are building 2. Does that sound like regulations are helping any? 2, there are 50 states. So state regulation is not changing anything where it may be either.
If you want coal gone,you need to have a replacement handy before hand.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 02:17 other posts 
Maybe those old reactors have become very dangerous over time and/or they are not as efficient as the new ones.
Nuclear power is not the solution. There are 80 sites in the United States where nuclear waste is stored. Some of it is stored temporary in a location that is not safe long term. The best uranium sites are already running out and it's getting ever more expensive to mine the stuff.

That waste has to be looked after for the next 20,000 to 1M years, before it's safe. Humanity probably kills itself before that or there might be a few survivors that don't know how to keep the waste safe and radiation will finish them off. But who cares, right?

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Like nuclear is the only alternative to coal.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 09:18 other posts 
Well Ananas, at least we have some common ground, I h@te nuclear and wish people would have enough sense to study other ideas.
I just used nuclear here because MOST tree huggers-liberals,think nuclear is the answer.And it has Ooodles of issues that take Many years to deal with.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 12:27 other posts 
Glad we agree

Actually, I even prefer fossil fuels over nuclear, even though I'm a tree hugger-liberal. Nuclear might be a bit better on carbon emissions when the reactor is built, but building new ones creates so much emissions, it takes 20 years to recover.
Another problem is that nuclear reactors take ages to start up and stop again, which is not practical as backup for solar and wind. Fossil fuels are at least needed until we have enough geothermal, hydro (incl. wave), biofuel, biogas, hydrogen, chemical storage (formic acid), thermal energy storage, battery storage and whatever I forgot or they think up next.

Then there is off-course the waste and the risk.
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By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 11:47 other posts 
qoute "Reducing the overall demand for electricity makes it easier for renewables like solar and wind to fill the gap, and targeted projects can reduce demand on the grid at peak times."

Eh so more electric cars will reduce demand?
I know you are not a engineer,but even you should be able to figure out that can't work.
By #623135 24,Jun,21 12:29
I don't pretend to be an engineer, but, I do know electric vehicles will not burn fossil fuels and pollute. If (and it looks like they are) the local electric companies can't handle the load they will have to upgrade. Eventually they will reach parity. Again, I say to you, if a problem exists, there will have to be an adjustment. Electric companies are allowed by government to be monopolies, but, they can loose it all if they can't provide proper service.
Coal is pretty much done as an industry. Not just because of regulations, but because investors and insurers are now backing away. If we all switch to electric cars soon, there's definitely a challenge to provide that electricity, but the overall power consumption will go down. Electric cars are more efficient. Now, I'm not talking about Tesla's that do 0 to 60 in 2 s and are comparable to a Porsche, but sensible electric cars that are appearing now.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 10:57 other posts 
It's nice to see that the world is moving towards new energy solutions, such as electric cars. We can't afford burning fossil fuels any longer. I'm glad to see that everyone agrees on that. Perhaps Saudi Arabia will be unhappy, but that country is a militant dictatorship with
groas violations of human rights, so the US or Europe don't need them as an ally.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 11:50 other posts 
Um, who do you think backed the loans for the solar farms around here? Saudi Arabia.
If they can't sell us oil ,they will make their money on interest from loans.
We could afford to use fossil fuels if we could finish our pipelines and drill in otherwise useless lands like up north in alaska where there is nothing but woods.
The alaskan pipeline built long ago,was supposed to be such a wildlife disaster,ha,the animals love it,it is warm near the pipeline.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 12:00 other posts 
Glad you agree.
By #623135 24,Jun,21 12:30
Fossil fuels promote pollution. Doesn't that get through your head?
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 16:47 other posts 
Eh yea,some,but nuclear wipes out MILES of earth for 100's of years. Check out Chernobyl sometime.

California has MILES of coast line,Why are they not looking into this tech?
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Instead of wasting all that coast line for half naked people to lay around and spread covid,there could be power plants there!
NO pollution! No noise that is not already there,and erosion control! WOW,
Kansas,could be using wind and solar to help of course.
Another non polluting power source,
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By #623135 24,Jun,21 21:05
Every time I think I’ve heard all your dippy theories, you come up with a new one.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jun,21 22:05 other posts 
Same here! No theorys posted, those are technology's already being tested and shown to work,perhaps just not as efficient as others.
I actually use some old equipment that is electric that was made way back before it was "cool" So I research alternative energy sources and what not for that reason. If I lived near a active stream,you better believe there would be a water wheel turning a old Gm alternator to charge back up batterys.
When I build a green house,yep,I will use geothermal to help with temp control.
By #610414 25,Jun,21 07:37
If I lived next to a moving stream, I, too, would use it for power, however, you would need several deep discharged batteries and a back up energy system in case you deplete your batteries too fast. I would also go upstream a few hundred yards and divert some of the water through pipes to have energy free house water.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Jun,21 12:15 other posts 
Just some old car batteries are better than nothing. It's free energy.
Every bit you can use of it is better than none at all.
That sound very cool. I would love to do some tinkering like that.

Here are some fun do-it-yourself builds on YouTube.
I had seen them before and it made me regret living next to a stationary ditch.
Maybe there are some ideas you can use:
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By phart [Ignore] 25,Jun,21 13:32 other posts 
the third link i watched the whole thing, very interesting,will get the other 2 tonight.
I DO NOT quite understand the amount of AMPS he is getting from that washing machine motor.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 05:46 other posts 
Here they say 600W should be possible. A washing machine motor will use 400 to 1300 watts. They might not be as efficient to generate the same amount, but can still do the job pretty well, as it seams and should be very easy to obtain.

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By #623135 28,Jun,21 17:51
Phart
How many Chernobyl’s do you know? One in the states, one in Japan, and one in Russia. Here, in Miami-Dade county, FP&L has been operating the local one over 50 yrs. Same in other cities around the state. And no pollution
By phart [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 18:03 other posts 
3 mile island here in the US. Prompted a nation wide process of adding new cooling systems.1 of my neighbors worked on the crew that went around building it. Made a fortune doing it.

You don't hear about the Mcquire plant here in NC getting to hot but it did a few years ago. The tree huggers were angry because a type of fish was dieing from getting caught in the cooling system water.So they put a screen over the intake. Worked fine for a while. Until the screen clogged up with little fishes.A employee told me about it.

Here is a long list of potential accidents and how to deal with them
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Yea,I know,I got dizzy after 10 minutes of readin!

I can't see a coal plant being any where near as dangerous to operate
By #623135 29,Jun,21 08:16
Sometimes it’s not what you can see but what you can’t
So what's your point? Just let any company kill whatever part of nature is in their way, because US companies are completely inadequate in solving any problem ever?
They can't even take in water, without sucking up all the fishes
By #623135 29,Jun,21 09:23
Ananas2xlekker my point is that all companies have a responsibility to protect the environment. People are part of the environment. In this case, the “sucking up of all the fishes” is not because the plant is nuclear. Yes, the reactors do need cooling. Cooling canals and reservoirs are needed. In this case, some knucklehead got the idea to put a screen on the pickup line. Duh, a cheap fuckup because of a cheap fix. Seems to me that an industry that can build nuclear reactors to make electricity should be able to prevent “little fishies” from clogging the intake of cooling water. Spent nuclear fuel rods are a problem. Finding a location to store them safely is still a problem and hopefully it better be resolved soon.

According to the Rainforest Action Network. For decades, climate change has been a global crisis that will impact every single person and living being on this planet. Now, according to the latest UN climate report, we have less than 10 years to cut global emissions in half.

Burning fossil fuels isn’t just bad for the climate, these industries also violate countless fundamental human rights. From frontline communities facing a fossil fuel pipeline on their land to Indigenous people facing fires in the Amazon to worker rights violations on palm oil plantations, the industries fueling climate change are also fueling injustice.

Coal, tar sands, and fracked gas show everything that’s wrong within the fossil fuel industry. These extraction practices are harming people and planet every day, and big banks are fueling this destruction of the planet and negligence of life.

So what’s so bad about coal, tar sands, and fracked gas? Basically everything, from start to the finish these fossil fuels are disastrous. For decades, climate change has been a global crisis that will impact every single person and living being on this planet. Now, according to the latest UN climate report, we have less than 10 years to cut global emissions in half.

Burning fossil fuels isn’t just bad for the climate, these industries also violate countless fundamental human rights. From frontline communities facing a fossil fuel pipeline on their land to Indigenous people facing fires in the Amazon to worker rights violations on palm oil plantations, the industries fueling climate change are also fueling injustice.

Coal, tar sands, and fracked gas show everything that’s wrong within the fossil fuel industry. These extraction practices are harming people and planet every day, and big banks are fueling this destruction of the planet and negligence of life.

So what’s so bad about coal, tar sands, and fracked gas? Basically everything, from start to the finish these fossil fuels are disastrous.

Like I said, “What you don’t see can be more dangerous.”
By phart [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 10:33 other posts 
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chernobyl didn just happen and stop.It is still happening today.

Smog will go away at some point.
coal smoke can be filtered.Try filtering radiaton.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 13:39 other posts 
Managing the Chernobyl disaster has probably already cost more energy than several nuclear reactors will produce in their lifetime. The exclusion zone of Chernobyl; 2600 km², if filled with solar panels, would produce 234 TWh/year. That's about twice the whole electricity consumption of The Netherlands.

So we only would need half that exclusion zone filled with solar panels
and that would cost about 78 Billion Euro's. That would raise our national debt from 56.3% of GDP to 66.2% of GDP.
Jobs for all our unemployed people will pull that debt down soon enough.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 08:42
You forget that the disaster in Chernobyl happened to a nuclear electric plant that would never be built in the US. According to the Atomic Energy Commission, this type of reactor was ver vulnerable to the disaster. The USSR didn’t care. Like the Chinese, they wanted results.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 09:54 other posts 
How about Fukushima?
Accidents happen. Even if the chance is 1:1M (historically proven it's much higher), when you multiply that risk by the number of nuclear power plants required, something catastrophic will happen at some point. Such catastrophes could cost more than the complete energy transition.
That's not worth it, because nuclear power is only a temporary solution, because the uranium will run out at some point. It's already becoming more and more expensive to mine the stuff.

Even if all those problems didn't exist, it still takes 10 years before any nuclear power plant has compensates his own build. But it first takes 10 years to build any. Then after 20 years, they are just as CO2 effecient as wind and solar. That's too late. We need to lower CO2 emissions ASAP.

Anyone with some money to spare can invest in their own solar panels,
lower their costs and be less dependent on power companies.
It's nice to have air-conditioning in a heat wave, when the government
is telling you not to use power or you can't afford it when power companies are charging you 100x the normal rate.

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By #623135 30,Jun,21 10:08
Fukushima’s disaster included the meltdown but IT WAS THE SUNAMI THAT CAUSED IT AND MOST OF THE DEVASTATION of that city. Last I’ve checked there are no dinamices happening in Kansas. I will give you this one. In Californicate state they’ve built one on the fault line. Engineer had too much Blow.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 11:06 other posts 
Isn't Kansas part of Tornado Alley?
There are al sorts of natural disasters, but it can also be a terrorist attack or a hacker or just basic human error.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 11:21
Yes, it is but you can’t compare a wind storm, even a tornado, to a sunami. Our nuclear plant in Turkey Point went through several hurricanes . Hurricanes produce tornados inside the storm. Hurricane Andrews destroyed large swaths out of the county. Huge communities disappeared. The Turkey Point plan took it in stride.
BTW, instead of Kansas I could have picked West Virginia
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As far as anything else, we have to trust security will prevail. Every thing is a crapshoot. Hopefully we don’t roll snake eyes,
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 12:54 other posts 
Or just choose all the many alternatives and don't build any new nuclear power plants. Why are you such a proponent of nuclear energy? What do you consider the advantage over truly sustainable energy technologies?
By #623135 30,Jun,21 13:30
Except for solar energies nuclear is the most reliable. I guess I’m like a Trump supporter but with nuclear capability--------------------------------------- added after 11

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I was talking to phart.
I also don't like nuclear energy and my arguments are in line with the science on climate change. That uranium has to be mined, which also emits CO2.
A nuclear power plant takes a lot of energy to be built and maintained.
Then afterwards we have to keep the waste safe for the next 20,000 years.
On the short term nuclear is about as energy/CO2 efficient as wind power and even less than solar. In the long term nuclear has a horrible energy/CO2 efficiency, because keeping the waste safe also costs energy. Also, building nuclear power plants takes a long time and lots of materials. It takes about 10 years before a nuclear power plant compensates his own build. That's about 1-1.5 years for wind energy and 2 years for solar. However solar is cheaper
on maintenance.

Other than that, I agree with most of what you said.

All energy technology costs money, materials, energy and land to build and maintain. All energy technology has downsides like pollution, mineral shortages, exploitation of people and CO2 emissions. We just need to stop with the worst energy technologies first and expand on the best ones the most.

It doesn't require completely changing our life or have impact on the quality of our life. However climate change already impacts our life and it will only get worse. We can either choose to accept some changes now and prevent total catastrophe later or we can deny the truth until catastrophe proves us wrong.
By #623135 29,Jun,21 15:43
I wish we went back to the pre 1860’s. We really don’t need electricity. Natural gas was good enough to live and we don’t need TV or cars.


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