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Inside Edition's report on the shooting.
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What I do not understand is why Jacob Blake doesn't realize/respond to the police officers, with drawn guns that are directly behind him and why he continued to proceed to his vehicle.
I wonder what happens in other countries if police authority is not obeyed? Yes, in the UK there is a tighter gun law and not even all the police carry guns. But in the United States, law abiding citizens have guns, criminals acquire guns and our law enforcement carry guns, too. Listening to Inside Edition's report on what happened, Jacob Blake was called to break up a domestic dispute involving two women. Apparently, someone also called police and they, too, became involved. Is it possible that the police needed to sort out what was going on and needed Mr. Blake to remain on the scene for questioning? Why would Mr. Blake decide to continue on to his vehicle with police directly behind him? And, yes, seven shots seem to be excessive.
Mr. Blake is in the hospital, in serious condition and according to news accounts, paralyzed from the waist down.
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR MEMBERS NOT RESIDING IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
In your country, is law enforcement respected and obeyed?
Yes, people should comply with the Police but there a myriad of reasons why they might not. For TRAINED officers, who have taken an oath, to resort to such action is despicable.
And before anyone starts frothing at the mouth, I do not condone any subsequent rioting and I do accept that due process needs to be followed from here on in. Guns, huh?
As for your question, bella!
In the UK I would say the answer is, broadly, yes. The Metropolitan police (looking after London) has had some problems with Institutional Racism and we have occasions of police brutality, but not on a scale that has a massively adverse effect on public confidence. Your chances of being shot 7 times in the back, whilst reaching into your car and unarmed, are approximately NIL.
Not speaking the same language as the cop.
Being deaf or hearing-impaired.
Severe autism.
Mental health problems.
You hear your kid crying for your attention, and you give that priority over a cop asking you to stay where you are.
Finally, and here's the rub, to be a bit of a dick or even (possibly) to wind up the cops. Maybe you've been stopped 20 times in the last fortnight and you think: "Fuck this, I'm getting back in my car and driving off".
Even if it's the last reason, the cop has plenty of options short of plugging the poor miscreant with 7 shots. This is what I mean when I say that your Nation has a cultural problem with guns. The cop's FIRST reaction is to have his (deadly) weapon drawn. When the guy is yards away from his car the cop doesn't go for any of his non-lethal weapons. They don't go for the physical struggle to restrain, even though (if you watch the video) that was definitely an option. Your Nation springs too easily to using force as a means of resolving problems: personally, in law enforcement and in foreign policy.
Me? If I lived in the States it would be "yes, officer", "no, officer" and "whatever you say officer" but not everybody has the same attitude.
Sorry, but if anyone excuses what this particular cop did they are just plain wrong (in my opinion).
You don't even question the fact that a cop is armed. If I see an armed cop (at an Airport, for example) I think it's sad as fuck that it's even needed. Guns, huh?
I think that your vision of the world and how things could be handled are truly optimistic but might get you roughed up. I'm not a violent person however I just can't wrap myself around what type of training police could and should receive to effectively deal with people that do not respect authority.
Several weeks ago, I was leaving a party store parking lot and spotted four boys on bicycles approaching. Rather than blocking the sidewalk so the boys would have to stop or go around me, my car, I stopped far enough back as an indication that they had the right-of-way. The last bicycle was just about to pass the driveway and the little "darling" slams his large beverage to the ground. BAM! Done, don't want it anymore and didn't care that he had littered, too. I was PISSED and I shouted out of my window, "Come back and pick that up!" All the boys looked, yet kept on pedaling. I met them the road, about three blocks away from the incident and asked the boy what's up with what he did. He no longer wanted his drink, didn't want to carry it any longer so he tossed it. He didn't care if he littered and he didn't care that he was being flippant with me. What I see is that people truly lack respect for people, property, police, teachers, life, in general.
Societies do seem to have a problem with people not showing respect for "people, property, police, teachers, life in general". A wider discussion about WHY that might be could offer solutions to some of those problems. Alienating sections of your community by treating them so badly is unlikely to get a positive outcome, as can be evidenced by the rioting and lawlessness that seems to follow each incident that occurs.
Children, in particular, model behaviour that they observe. So, why do you think that young boy thought it ok to drop his drink on the floor? Bad parenting? Poor role models? Lack of consequences for bad behaviour? Rampant individualism?
One thing I'm pretty sure of is that his behaviour will NOT change if your only answer is state-sanctioned violence. Scorps and dgraff might encourage you to buy that gun and then threaten a minor with deadly force if he doesn't pick up his litter. If people follow that tack what do you think your society/community will look like in 20 years' time?
You have people in the highest echelons of US society who lack a moral compass. You have a celebrity obsessed society where you need no discernible talent to become filthy rich. You have a rich society that allows it's own citizens to become homeless and leaves them without affordable healthcare. Your politics is firmly in the pocket of big business (blue AND red). Your penal system is barbaric. You've executed over 1,500 of your own citizens since 1976. I could go on.
I know, from my own reading and a study of history, that if you don't feel a valued member of your own society you're unlikely to blindly "toe the line" and prop up a system you think is stacked against you.
Having stirred all that up (and I know the opprobrium that will come my way) I would urge anybody I know to comply with all Police instructions, protest peacefully and treat others in the way you want to be treated yourself.
Footnote: I see there are 2 more dead as a result of the problems in Kenosha. Guns, huh?
Everywhere. Probably with a bit more alacrity in the US, otherwise you might end up paralysed and unable to walk again. I'm not making light or trying to be funny by the way. No matter how mad you are, at the system, you can't protest or bring about change if you're dead.
It's been a good while since I was stopped for a traffic offense but when I was, when I was asked for driver's license, registration and proof of insurance, I complied. BAM!
You see in some of these videos of school shooting or anything involving hostages, when the hostages are freed, they come out with their hands up because police do not know who or what they are dealing with. Only a KNUCKLEHEAD would want to "wind up the police" any further. Therefore it is reasonable for you, your safety, the safety of the police, to comply with any directives given.
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I've read some of the comments (less aggravating than listening) and I fear I may be being sucked into another vortex of veiled racism, ignorance and people bellowing at each other.
Is it worth persisting with? If so, it will have to wait till tomorrow as it's just so ... abrasive!!
Yes, the Hodge twins weave a good amount of "comedic" entertainment in their Vlogs but as you see, they suggest that Lebron "stay in his own lane", while the twins advocate respecting police.
They may go on to make erudite points but I'll pass.
You're preaching to the choir if you're telling me that sports stars earn ridiculous sums of money. Also, public servants are generally underpaid. We have a system that pays actors and sportsmen/women a ton, and pays the folk that look after the elderly, nurses, and police a relative pittance. That's Capitalism for you!
I would, however, point out that your 1st amendment should apply to everyone. If these 2 jokers can say their piece, so can LeBron James (not that I've come across any of his utterings). Presumably any protests LeBron James has made have been peaceful?
As you know: I advocate complying and peaceful protest.
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If you would have listened to the entire VLOG, you would have learned that Jacob Blake had a prior record that involved guns and sexual assault on a MINOR.
If US citizens, of whatever racial background, take their political advice from overpaid sportsmen - that's their look out.
It reminds me of our dear friend, phart. He'll give us his opinion on Economics when he wouldn't know a Laffer curve if one landed on his head.
If Lebron James said something dumb, I would hope that people with a modicum of intelligence would recognise that.
If Jacob had a rap sheet that included worse than that, extra-judicial killing is still unwarranted. I looked at your original video again and I reckon there was about 9 seconds of him walking to that car door, and the cops let him travel all that way without physically intervening and THEN he was shot 7 times in the back. Full facts will come out, in due course, but even if he was the baddest man since John Dillinger I know what I saw.
I don't really think that you think that someone's previous misdemeanours allow cops to act indiscriminately.
I like the The Twins,I think they do a good job of conveying the truth much better than the normal media.
Refreshing to me that not all Blacks are liberals, some have brains,Accounting degrees in their case.
Plus, I'll pass on taking my political advice from vloggers, actors, sportsmen/women and celebrities in general. It's like listening to the barfly bore who needs EVERYONE to know what his addled take on recent events is.
Maybe they should do videos on Accounting, if that's their area of expertise? Then it might be worth watching!
PS. as a fully-fledged "liberal", can I just say: watch what you fucking like. I don't expect you "Conservitives" (sic) to do anything, other than bleat on with your usual, ill-informed, bollocks.
I intend to go see them live when they hit the road again. lol
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See, that in my estimation, was the proper use of bolding a member's name. It alerted him that you mentioned him.
I have seen many cases of a 'perpetrator' not obeying a law enforcement officer's instructions, in fly on the wall documentaries. This then leads to some sort of tussle or chase where generally the overwhelming number of officers involved can pull the perpetrator to the ground and cuff him.
Regarding incidents like that in Wisconsin -In many of the cases where there is such an incident, whether in the U.S or elsewhere, it is triggered by the 'perpetrator' refusing to follow instructions. If they had done as they were told then there would have been no need for the police weapon to be used. I am not excusing the shooting but that is a really important point to be made.
Refusing to follow instructions doesn't warrant an unarmed guy being shot 7 times in the back, as seen in the clip.
Not sure what you mean by "significant sections of the community" but feel free to elaborate.
The police in The Netherlands doesn't get a whole lot of respect at all. Most of the time it's limited to verbal abuse, but sometimes they are attacked as well. I think it's mostly due to the policy of about 15 years ago, of fining everyone right away and not letting anyone off with a warning anymore. I've seen respect diminishing after that.
I have seen them do very good work though. In the neighborhood were we lived before, we have seen a big fight break out of about 10 people. It was already escalating for a while and someone had called the police. We saw it happen from our balcony.
They arrived just after the fight really started. They must have parked a bit further away, because about 8 cops arrived from all sides at once. They just stepped in between the fighting people, without any weapons. They were shouting orders to stop fighting, but I wouldn't even call them aggressive. The fight was stopped in seconds, with just pure intimidation. Then the police separated the groups and just talked with everyone. The cops switched groups a few times to hear the story of all adversaries. They were just trying to find out what started the fight. At the end the sort of negotiated a peace deal and made people apologize. After they sent everyone home, they left and the fight didn't start again. I was very impressed with the police that day.
However, in the last 4 years, 41 people died during or just after arrest by the Dutch police.
(you can use google site translate for the Dutch sites)
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There are on average about 30-35 shooting incidents per year:
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Here is some videos of the Dutch police fighting. A shot is fired in this video, but only as a warning.
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The Dutch police does sometimes use violence which is uncalled for:
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Some Dutch cops have a very short fuse:
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Here is one cop sitting on a guys neck way too long:
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People often react to the police using too much violence:
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All and all, I don't think it's heading in the right direction in The Netherlands.
I've found "In the Netherlands, approximately 70,000 gun licenses have been issued, roughly 40,000 of which were issued to sport shooters, the remaining 30,000 were largely issued to hunters.".
In my youth a neighbor had a license. He had a few guns in a safe and he was a sport shooter. Other then them I've never known anyone personally who owned guns. Interesting fact; he committed suicide with one of his guns a few years ago.
On April 9th 2011 we had a mass shooting by someone with a license called Tristan van der Vlis. He killed 6 people and wounded 17 in a shopping mall. Then he killed himself. There was a whole discussion about licenses after that. I think they tightened the rules a bit after that.
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Even without audio, or knowing what happened earlier, I can say that the cop used excessive, deadly force when another solution was available. 7 shots SEEMED excessive? 1 shot was excessive in that scenario.
A police officer is killed after being dragged along the road behind a vehicle. The people who were responsible were identified and brought to justice despite the fact that the ‘community’ that the came from refused to cooperate with the investigation and some even misled the police.
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The killing of Police Constable Harper.
Glad to see they prosecuted ALL of them little pricks.
But it's still a very awful event. 😔
They are just innocent lil misunderstood snowfalkes suffering from the deprivations of an oppressive government and society as a whole. VICTIMS I tell ya!
If things are going on in your neck of the woods, similar to what's happening here, they may win their appeals.
Lawmen = Bad People
Law abiding citizens = Ignorant, Privileged Fools
Criminals = Saints, Martyrs
Let us know how it turns out, if you hear anything further.
You and many others seemed troubled by the number of shots fired. Let me point out, that as taught in "real world" scenarios. IF you use deadly force as a consequence of someone's actions to prevent the loss of YOUR life or others in the vicinity. You fire until the threat is neutralized. Many times due to adrenaline, drugs, alchohol, the person being shot can continue to move and function unless you strike a major organ. Therefore, what may seem to be a bit much, may have been neccessary to STOP him.
There were a LOT of other people around there that he could have harmed along with the Police officers. His record has been released, he had numerous violence and weapon charges against normal people and the Police. AND, he was a wanted fugitive. They did try to taze him unsuccessfully during a scuffle at the back of the vehicle as seen by released video from another angle.
Shooting a real person is NOTHING like portrayed in Hollywood movies. Unno, where you shoot an individual with a large caliber gun and they go flying backwards OR one shot instantly kills them. It just doesn't work that way, I mean, unless it's a head shot. Many try to avoid those kinda shots as they are rather gruesome, there's pressure inside the skull, and the head is a smaller target to hit. But many times the skull explodes, and brain matter is expelled everywhere, including on the shooter in many cases. It's an awful sight.
Scorps, I think that you are, on-the-whole, a decent empathetic individual. I don't think, despite some of your more belligerent posts, that you wish harm on any other human.
Having said all that, reading that post made me feel strangely sad. You're rationalising why it sometimes happens that one person takes another's life. That last paragraph about what happens when you are shot, and how it varies according to where the bullet enters, is hard to read. I hope that's not from real-life experience (that you know such stuff)?
Perhaps I'm just a left-wing, softie (as some have already decided to deride me with) but surely there must be a better way?
I try my best to be that way, and no, for the most part, I do not wish any harm to my fellow human. I will admit to some exceptions. Those that bring ANY harm to the powerless i.e. the elderly and children. In which case, I can easily become unhinged.
Rationalize?
Allow me to share a story. It's of a young Black Police officer, with NOT so much real world experience, as evidenced by what you will see. He responded to a call and tried to get the man to COMPLY with his directions. When the man blatantly refused, and continued walking, the inexperienced Officer chose to use non-lethal force, to encourage him to COMPLY! Note the thickness of the suspects coat. The taser would not have worked at all...
Please, take a moment and watch this 3 min.
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The young officer is a real live human being too, with a wife and lil children. He was doing nothing more than trying to perform his job as a public servant. His life matters too! And I would suggest, moreso than any friggin thug piece of shit who would do such a thing to another human being. They cut the video, but he collapses to the ground, and asks dispatch to deliver his final words to his wife and children. 😥
I sorta apologize if you find my belligerence uncalled for. I just feel passionately about things like this. As I once considered being in law enforcement myself, after departing the U.S.C.G.
I have grown up in one of the highest crime cities in the United States. Yes, I have witnessed all sorts of violent acts. Things that I can never unsee OR unknow, sadly.
All that being said, I and everyone else around here know EXACTLY what you are going to say. As already suggested to you, it will NEVER happen or work. The ONLY people that would turn in their guns would be LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. There is NO magic wave of the wand and make ALL guns disappear. You may find that disturbing, but I'm attempting to keep it real with you. Therefore, it's a complete waste of time to even discuss it.
I notice you suggested somewhere around here, that many of us advocates, for our personal gun rights, appear to you, as living in a constant state of fear. I cannot speak for the other's, but I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT live in fear. My firearm that I never leave home without, is nothing more than a tool. There, should I need it.
In the case of this recent shooting, we don't have all the details yet. But from what I saw, the man's failure to simply comply, is what landed him in the predicament he's in. The same way you want to give that criminal SO much benefit of the doubt, how about extending the same to the Officer. As you saw, in the video I provided, it only takes a split second for that man to have reached in the vehicle for a gun, turn around and start blasting. Why should that officer be expected to place HIS life on the line to THAT EXTENT? Another thing, did you count how many times the Officer in the video above was shot? Did you notice he was able to continue moving? I'm only pointing these things out for a better understanding of why so many shots, and why he shot him in the back. Do I like that he was put into that position, HELL NO I DON'T! Nevertheless, he was put into that position. Hope that makes sense. LOL
If that Officer acted irresponsibly in the eyes of the law, then he shall be judged. I'm more leaning towards self preservation as the motive, and for that, he shall not be held accountable. Everyone, including Police officers, are most certainly entitled to that. That man made his choice by refusing to comply and committing an act that might be deemed as life threatening or aggressive to that Policeman.
BTW, I found your wording to be quite acceptable.
Your literary genius is not necessary ALL the time.
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And I wondered if Mike The Cop is a Toronto police officer, or what....
It would seem to me that MORE information would be sought out as opposed to less in an effort to have a better understanding of why something like this has occurred.
I guess it just doesn't fit what SOME around here want SO desperately to believe. Ignorance is bliss they say.
Oh well, what can you do! Just continue to try to get the message out, I suppose.
Thanks for the video!
I don't get the "Toronto" question.
They ARE white!
NOTHING they shoulda, woulda, coulda, have done would have been acceptable, NOTHING! Any action WHATSOEVER would have been deemed "unreasonable, unnecessary, excessive use of force, by RACIST Police officers", etc. etc.
The ONLY thing that would have been acceptable, was for the officers to put their firearms away, let him go to his vehicle to retrieve HIS firearm and or get in the vehicle and run the Police over. THAT'S IT!
Afterall, there is and has been instances practically EVERY, single, day, for a while now, showing that Policemans lives DON'T MATTER!
Where's the video beforehand showing what caused them to draw their weapons in the first place? That's the FIRST sign of video they "don't want you to see". They'll have you believe that the person creating the video, JUST IN A KNICK OF TIME, got his phone and captured those few seconds of Police brutality.
COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY! COMPLY!
POLICEMAN HAVE FAMILIES TOO!! POLICEMAN HAVE FAMILES TOO!!
POLICE LIVES MATTER TOO, DESPITE THE FUCKING CONTRARY!
Sick of this shit! 😡
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STOP SENDING WHITE POLICEMAN IN TO HANDLE BLACK PEOPLE, PERIOD!
It's too bad that the Police that arrived on the scene, didn't just turn around and leave. I WOULD HAVE! FUCK THAT SHIT! Let them kill each other like they do every day.
That's, possibly, the stupidest thing anyone has posted on the Internet, EVER.
I can't get past the old idea of it being cowardly to shoot someone in the back. Tazer,sure,
since when did a ass with no eyes become a threat? No reason for riots and burnings but sure,ask for some answers in a non violent way.like get a permit and gather at the court house.Don't expect innocent people to loose cars and buildings and their lively hoods over it.
George Floyd - 14.7 million donated thus far
Breonna Taylor - 2.7 million donated thus far
Jacob Blake - 1.3 million donated thus far
Just to name a few...
Little Cannon Hinnant - 750,000
Way to go America!
But! There are valid arguments as to why there is such a thing in the first place. i.e. If you announce you are coming in, you could potentially give known armed and violent criminals time to prepare for you, as opposed to a surprise takedown. In my opinion, it's not a cut and dry decision, either way, knock or not. I'm willing to bet they DID announce themselves as the "POLICE!" once the entry was breeched.
Newly released documents show that Breonna HERSELF was photographed numerous times, HER car, and HER conducting drug transactions along with her boyfriend. As far as that, NO DRUGS FOUND part, I will have to go back and re-read the documents. I just skimmed through them and hadn't heard that. I'm leaning towards that being mis-information though, like, "they had the wrong house and person", that was being widely reported and accepted at the beginning.
We are SO brainwashed at this point, that many of us just blindly accept that the Police are just wrong in practically every encounter. Every thing thrown out there just becomes the fact until people no longer pay attention. Like that shooting here of Michael Brown. They STILL throw his name around as a victim of racist police brutality. Despite NUMEROUS investigations saying the opposite.
Consequently, the Brown family recieved over 2 million and he has a plaque placed in his honor. FOR WHAT!? How about how many of us felt after seeing the full Floyd encounter and it being revealed that he had lethal doses of drugs in his system?
When we victimize criminals and criminalize the Police you better start worrying. It's NO wonder "Defund The Police" is a thing, now.
Very troubling!
. Breonna Taylor and her career criminal convicted armed drug trafficking boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover, stashed drugs at Breonnas apartment. - a trap house.
2. Prior to the raid, police had wire tapped Glovers numerous in prison phone calls to Taylor where Taylor confirmed the drug stash being at her apartment and the drugs being stored in her apartment. So Breonna was part of this drug crew.
3. With the wire tap evidence and other evidence, police legally and rightfully obtained a no knock warrant for Taylor’s apartment. Why no knock? The element of surprise as police knew Glover was an armed career felon drug dealer and everyone in the drug trade carries guns. It was a search warrant to locate the drugs and Taylor and Glover would be charged.
4. Police execute the raid late at night and enter the bedroom- It’s dark with lights out and Kenneth Walker, her new boyfriend, is in bed with Taylor. Walker shoots at the police, hitting one officer, the officers defend themselves and return fire. Walker and Taylor are hit.
I hope this clears up the misinformation and lies that are still out here about this case.
Lebron may bee a good basketball player, but he is is a mental midget. Did you see the deer in the headlights look when a reporter asked him what his fav part of the book is?
I don't know if you've heard of Charlie LeDuff, he grew up in the Metropolitan Detroit area, was a journalist and worked for Fox 2 affiliates. I enjoyed watching his exposés done with tongue in cheek. Not too long ago, I watched one that aired probably five or six years ago that mentioned that a rookie Detroit police officer's starting pay was less than $ 15.00 per hour. I can't imagine where inflation has pushed that number to, now, but it sure can't be enough for the risks, peril and bullshit that they are subjected to on a day to day basis.
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You might enjoy this one, too.
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It also reaffirms what I have always thought: well-paid, well-equipped, and well-trained, Police Officers are less likely to shoot and less likely to get shot. A massive decrease in police fatal shootings was achieved - albeit after Federal oversight. Change can happen. Have lessons be learnt?
Firstly, bravo to your son for taking that choice.
Secondly, however, why are Officers given that choice? If there ever was a clearer case for a small, but significant, reform there's one! ALL Officers should be trained to use, and be armed with, a non-lethal weapon.
"So if an officer does not carry a taser, your gonna have a bad day." is so, so sad.
Totally agree with regards to "mentality" too. I can understand why an Officer might be shit-scared in some of the scenarios they have to face, but you would hope that good, thorough training would decrease the number of fatal shootings. What a mess!
Are they not calling Mr. Blake a dumbass in so many words by taking a knife to a gun fight?
I do understand that at the point of shooting the cop's adrenaline must be in overflow. I just don't see how they can shoot once or twice only.
Frankly I think body cams on cops should be streamed live online with the use of accounts and passwords so they know who is watching when . This would allow for the public to see first hand what is going on. Police salarys are tax funded,so they work for the people.Shouldn't be much private about the work.
It was much easier to hype another white cop shooting a black man, and from that cellphone vantage point, you're thinking like, WTF was that all about and as a human being, you're outraged.
Yeah, there was another cellphone video that captured the other side of the car and it showed another perspective of what went down.
I heard a podcast today, that spoke about the fact thaisn'tacob Blake really isn't mentioned on the news once everything was revealed.
The police were called by a former girlfriend (?) because he was at her house, and had broke whatever the heck they call it, I don't know if was a PPO, because of domestic violence or something. There was a warrant out for his arrest, since July and some type of criminal sexual conduct involving a minor. No doubt he's a good guy, yeah, right. So when the officer's tase didn't stop him and he was able to break free and move around to the other side, either to get a weapon or just get away from the cops, that's what we saw.
And Lebron James spoke about the black community is afraid of the police, and the NBA, MLB, NHL and even the WNBA didn't play because..... Black Lives Matter or because Jacob Blake was wrongfully shot by a racist white cop, it just goes to show you that our country and our values are all fucked up, and I rarely use that word.
I’m posting this for clarity and to shut down the misbeliefs of millions of people who’ve been fed utterly dead wrong information, which in turn has fueled the flames across this nation and in other nations:
Police can LEGALLY shoot you in the back. Generally this is allowed under the following circumstances:
a) You believe the perp poses an immediate threat of severe bodily injury or death to someone (example: a guy with a gun in his hand running towards a crowd or a guy is running towards a crowd waving a sword, etc ).
b) You believe letting the perp go does far more harm to the public than not letting him go (example: a serial killer is running away and you can’t catch him or a serial rapist is fleeing, etc ).
c) You believe the perp is committing or immediately about to commit a violent felony (example: A guy is raping someone or shooting at someone or stabbing someone or about to shoot someone, etc ).
The problem is, the media gets viewers, listeners, etc, all in a spin with only a piece of the truth. The piece that the nation saw got Kenosha tore up and burned.
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It's this John Wayne, bad guys deserve what they get, shoot first attitude that's fucked up.
Before that: by this guy's own admission the cops had from when he started to walk around the car, till when he opened the door, to physically intervene. They stayed 2 feet behind him, instead, waited for him to open the door, and THEN used deadly force to bring the scenario to a sad conclusion.
Before it starts: No, I don't condone violent protests. Yes, Blue Lives Matter. No, I don't know what I would do in the same situation. Yes, you should always comply with a cop's instructions. But, we all saw what we saw.
I would even, possibly, advocate going back to billy clubs. Whack him in the leg to bring him down after he fails to comply, but before he gets to the door. Sounds to me like some of you would actually PREFER to see him shot 7 times (Hi Skittles).
Are we watching the same video?
I don't understand, AT ALL!
What do YOU mean by this - "I could only watch that till the "Boom, you're dead" part. This person would rather shoot a guy dead than hand over his wallet? What sort of fucking country do you live in?"
What the hell does a wallet have to do with ANYTHING?
Help me understand what you are trying to say here. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not getting what YOU are putting down... 🤪🤪🤪
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Watch till about 1:49, and I think you may catch up with the rest of the kids in class!
Fancy another try?
So, your playbook goes:
STOP!
STOP!
7 shots in the back.
If you can't see anything wrong with that, I'm genuinely at a loss. Additionally, your troubled Nation will remain troubled unless attitudes (ON BOTH SIDES) alter.
The cops, in MY opinion, could have resolved that issue without shooting the miscreant 7 times in the back. This "lifetime criminal" bit? What the fuck is that? He somehow "deserved" it? Trained officers should treat EVERYONE according to their training and the rights of an individual to fair, proportionate, and equal treatment at the hands of the law. If you lose sight of that you really are fucked.
Sorry to add: your final question is a false equivalence.
If it was CERTAIN that he would have killed others, that would change the paradigm. Then I would, sadly, say that deadly force was warranted. Be intellectually honest with me, and yourself: am I being fair with that observation?
There's no utopia (if that's how I interpret your words) partially because nobody strives for it. Not a fantasy world - I've told you before that I have NO weapons in my house to "defend" myself, I live in a society where dying from a violent act is FAR from my mind, and I feel no need to be armed. I'll take that "pixie dust" (childish) over what YOU have.
Going to add this, and I'm angry:
Where were you when you were making that choice about whether to take a teenager's life? As you're saying "get back to base" you were NOT in the US?
In that case what gives you (or your country) the right to take that life?
Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Libya, Somalia? You were not invited to any of those conflicts. And .. you didn't make things better for intervening. You can take helping out in WW1 and WW2 and stick 'em. Since then your Nation's foreign policy has caused more harm than good. Your neighbourhood should NOT be being compared to a war zone you fucking nut! Jeez. Maybe you SHOULD all just get guns, defund the Police completely and then the civilised world can come back in a few years' time to help you re-establish a working society.
You and your country are a fucking disgrace, at times.
Ho Chi Minh wasn't a "communist threat". He was a proud patriot who wanted "out" from under the heel of French Imperialist rule. He asked for your country's help, thinking that having thrown off the British yoke you might have some empathy. Your dismissal of his pleas led to him seeking help from the Commies. French Indo-China then became somewhere where the US's total casualties totalled over 200,000. And for what?
You've (as a Nation) intervened in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq in the recent past. See how fucking stable those places are now? Your National tongue is so far up the ass of Wahabi extremists that you can't tell right from wrong anymore. Pandering to your evangelicals has fucked up any resolution of the Israel/Palestine conflict for the foreseeable. So ... shooting teenagers overseas doesn't impress me. Stay home and make your own, fucked up Nation, fit for purpose and leave the rest of the world alone.
Google Jacob Blake. Did you read Wikipedia's account of what transpired? Did you watch anything on YouTube regarding what happened in Kenosha on August 23, 2020? The officers did attempt to restrain Blakr and it didn't work. Blake had a knife in his hand, he was known to carry gun(s), I honestly believe the young officer that shot Blake did it because there was no other option. I'm not a police officer, I'm not a spouse of a police officer, not a mother, father, sister, brother, grandmother, aunt....to a police officer. In today's climate, I think I would have to be on some strong anxiety medication if I was.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to be a police officer in the United States of America because of all the shit going on. Those men and women not only have their own personal welfare to consider, they also have to consider those they are sworn to protect and serve. They also have families they have to consider, too. Families that they want to return home to, at the end of their day.
They watched him, for about 9 seconds, walk around the front of his car (guns drawn) but made no attempt at non-lethal force to stop him getting to that car door. THEN he was shot 7 times in the back. He might be "known to carry guns" but he didn't have a gun in his hands for that 9 seconds. I can't imagine being a cop either, but please don't excuse what we all saw happen. If that's indicative of your society as a whole, you're fucked. Public servants killing/maiming the public. Really?
If it was a rare occurrence that would be a different matter. If I was a young black man in one of the rougher parts of Michigan, Chicago, Miami or (pretty much) any of your big cities I would be both scared and angry.
They are not protecting or serving when they are killing folk, other than in the most extreme of circumstances when no other option presents itself.
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Or watch this.
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Or this account.
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Or this.
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He's not like "Kane" from Kung Fu? Why can your experts not stop themselves from resorting to puerile comparisons? His unnamed sources are unverified.
Oh, it's all the media's fault?
Sorry - unconvinced.
If ALL those things he alleges about Mr Blake are true, it still doesn't justify extra-judicial killing. Being a domestic abuser, and carrying a knife doesn't warrant death/maiming. Yep, put some responsibility on him and prosecute him for offences he's committed.
Aww, fuck it. Do what you want over there. I'm not leaving the UK anymore. Too old and there's too much of my own country I want to explore. Kill each other. See if you can increase your rates of obesity any further. Send your young kids overseas to fight pointless wars and send them your prayers when they get blown up. Weep when another weirdo gets an assault rifle and decides that your kid's school is next on the list. Cosy up with the Saudis and ignore the number of hands they cut off each year. Keep digging up fossil fuels and poisoning the world. Vote for Trump again and get 4 more years of bigotry. Let him stand for a 3rd and 4th term. Demonise immigrants whilst they keep your economy from collapsing. Claim MAGA whilst buying all that crap from China. Deplete the world's finite resources whilst you chase the American dream. Poison the oceans. Melt the ice caps and see The Keys disappear. Make more electoral changes that disenfranchise the poor and POC. Cosy up to dictators like Putin and Xi. See your fellow citizens too poor to afford healthcare and a place to live. But, and I must stress this, don't give up your guns.
Thankyou and goodnight!
PS. if you don't recognise satire I can't help!
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195 countries are on this planet and US just got blamed for the end of the world. FLMAO
I think this is the simplest answer EVER!
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