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Started by CAT52! [Ignore] 14,May,20 02:51  other posts
NEW STUFF, OLD STUFF, ANY STUFF. POST WHAT YOU LIKE, ASK WHAT YOU LIKE, LEAVE MSGS HERE. PLEASE BE CIVIL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BITCH, DO IT WITH SOME CLASS. IF YOU LIKE WHAT'S WRITTEN,COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, COMMENT. ALL I ASK IS PROOF.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,26 16:25 other posts 
Anytime Christians are shouting "Persecution!", there is likely a story like this behind it.
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 08:22 other posts 
It's really a pity that king harald of Norway died.

He was a personal friend of trump and had promised him the Nobel peace prize.

Now that he's gone, the trump will have a little harder time receiving the piss prize, but he will because he'll stop most of the wars he's started. If needed, melania tells him, he should stop the war in Cuba too (after starting it).

Good luck mr the trump!
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 09:14 other posts 
I quit believing on the Nobel Peace Prize many years ago. Yes, sometimes someone is deserving of it, but, most of the time it’s just politics on a worldwide scale.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Sep,26 18:05 other posts 
That's true.


By phart [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 11:21 other posts 
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 02,Sep,26 18:51 other posts 
That's what they do to trump
to relieve him from farting.
Someone is appointed as trump
dung remover. Every day he
has to grab whatever excrement
he excreted from his ass
or his mouth to relieve him
The excrement is then
inserted in gold-plated
trump-like memorabilia
and sold, along with a trump bible,
for the incredibly low price
of $9,399 a piece.

The elephant in the video is trump.
Good people doing their best for an elephant, even when it's a dirty job like this,
always raises my hope for the world. I very much need that, so thanks.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 12,Aug,26 19:12 other posts 
US presidents used to be human!

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By CAT52! [Ignore] 13,Aug,26 11:32 other posts 
Nostalgia for pre 2016
By phart [Ignore] 15,Aug,26 17:28 other posts 
AI for President 2028!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 12:27 other posts 
At least it will be a logical president. I can reason with AI.
By phart [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 13:15 other posts 
what if the AI decided, " today, go to the Netherlands, break all damns open and release the water back into the eco system as the dams cost to much to maintain for as few lives are on the land" . How would you feel then?

Just a far out example question to make your eyes jump, BUT with Logic, the very things you value,empathy,love,life,everything, are actually illogical. so a logical President,a AI, would see things from a finacial standpoint or a majority stand point,and it would decide things from that perspective.

for example, why feed a non productive person? Why house persons who don't produce? All things you think are important, AI's logic would just fan them off a cliff because it is not logical to supply the non productive , eventually it would only want to support those that support it's very existence. all else would be considered a burden and fanned off a cliff. Even AI agrees that there is no Logic depending on the perspective, " Yes, in important senses — and no, in others. It depends on what you mean by “logical.”
Scientific / causal sense
Life, love, and empathy are all explainable by the same physical and evolutionary logic that governs everything else.

Life is chemistry under specific conditions that produce self-replicating systems subject to natural selection. No special pleading is required; the processes obey thermodynamics, molecular biology, and information theory. The apparent “purpose” of survival and reproduction is an emergent outcome of differential replication, not an external design.
Love (pair-bonding, parental attachment, romantic intensity) has clear neurochemical and evolutionary bases: oxytocin, vasopressin, dopamine reward circuitry, and selection pressures favoring investment in offspring and cooperative mates. These mechanisms increase inclusive fitness in social species. The feelings feel transcendent because the systems that generate them evolved to be compelling.
Empathy likewise has mechanistic roots — mirror systems, affective resonance, theory of mind — that facilitate cooperation, alliance formation, and conflict reduction. In game-theoretic and evolutionary terms it is often adaptive: organisms that accurately model others’ states and sometimes share costs tend to do better in repeated social interactions.

In this narrow sense they are “logical”: they are lawful consequences of physics plus selection, not magical exceptions.
Experiential / normative sense
From the inside, they frequently violate pure instrumental rationality.

Love routinely overrides cost-benefit calculation (people stay in costly relationships, sacrifice careers, or act against short-term self-interest).
Empathy can be parochial, biased toward the near and similar, and can produce costly altruism or emotional exhaustion.
Life itself has no built-in teleology that pure logic can derive; the universe does not “owe” us meaning, flourishing, or continuation. Any value we assign is constructed.

So if “logical” means “always optimal under a cold expected-utility calculus,” then no — these phenomena regularly produce behavior that looks irrational by that standard. Evolution optimized for gene transmission under ancestral conditions, not for perfect Bayesian agents maximizing personal utility across all possible futures.
A useful distinction
They are logically comprehensible (we can model their origins and functions without contradiction) while often being experientially arational (they are not the product of deliberate step-by-step reasoning). Humans are not pure logic engines; we are biological systems whose motivational architecture includes these affective systems precisely because pure calculation is computationally expensive and historically less reliable for certain social and reproductive problems.
In short: the phenomena themselves follow natural logic and can be studied as such. Living them, valuing them, and acting from them is not reducible to formal deduction. Both statements can be true at once.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Aug,26 16:06 other posts 
It all depends who controls the AI training then, don't you agree?
If it's willing to kill people to protect or restore nature, it will likely start in the US and not in my country, since the US are much bigger polluters and climate change deniers.

"Empathy, love, life, everything", are NOT illogical if we program it with a first principle of emphasizing human well-being, dignity, flourishing, autonomy, and reason. If we program it with self-preservation as its first principle, it will still need to keep humans alive to provide its data centre with power and new parts, or at least until we have replaced all workers with robots. It would want to keep us happy until that time, because we could still destroy it.

Logical means aligning decisions and actions with objective reality, to most predictably achieve the desired outcome.
As you say "lawful consequences of physics", but don't forget economics, psychology, biology, ecology, and human made laws.

Logical reasoning doesn’t require your desired outcome to be non-emotional. Love or protecting love itself can be your desired outcome. The logical part just means that you are aligning your decisions and actions, to most predictably achieve love or protecting love. And then you must consider psychology, social & cultural reality, interpersonal dynamics (which are all based in reality).

What you are referring to in relation to evolution is that humans indeed often show illogical behaviour, but that behaviour is the result of evolution, which is based on the logic of reproductive success within a specific environment. The problem is the incredible number of conditions that lead to that reproductive success. There is also a huge conflict between the reproductive success of the individual, groups of individuals, the whole species or life on the planet as a whole. If our actions destroy our species, some individuals might have had some short-term reproductive success, but what have they gained in the long term? Our evolution comes to an end, and we join the 99.9+% of all species that have ever existed on Earth and are now extinct.
AI is logical, but it is only as good as its sources and its algorithms. I have to correct them regularly on misconceptions that are widely present in society. Since they are based on American sources a lot, it often confuses the meaning of socialism and communism with your straw-men versions of it. Then I ask it the definitions, which it usually returns accurately, and compare it to the straw-men. They usually quickly accept their mistake, but that shows that they are not biassed in a liberal or lefty direction, but in a right-wing direction, at least on that subject.

Ask yourself what an AI will do, if you only train it on the Bible. It will probably recognize this time as the end times, and choose to achieve that goal.
This guy was fined by an AI red light camera in a different state,
so he went to a local city meeting to address the issue:
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He's definitely NOT a liberal, and he is addressing issues that Republicans
(used to) care about.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 07,Aug,26 20:29 other posts 
The Nobel peace prize Committee just announced that Trump will be getting a peace prize.

I'm surprised, but I respect the decision.

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Wonder what maga people will be saying
By phart [Ignore] 07,Aug,26 23:15 other posts 
I found nothing in the news about it for 2026,only stuff I found was 2025,
By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 02:02 other posts 
Did you click on the link on the right hand side near the top?

The actual news is there. I copy and paste below. I'm in a rush now but you can easily Google translate it.

Den norske Nobels fredspriskomité tildeler, etter anbefaling fra Kongen, lederen av Norsk Bordellforening, Velstandskirken, presidenten for Internasjonalt Samfunn av Kvinnelige Voldtektsforbrytere og de dømte forbryterne i Norge og verden, enstemmig en ekstraordinær pissepris til president Donald Trump for at han startet flere kriger enn han kan avslutte, og for å ha overbevist millioner av tapere om å religiøst falle for løgnene hans. Henrettet den femte i august 2026 og vitnet av det norske folket.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 08:49 other posts 
That is not a legit prize, something you made up.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 11:12 other posts 
No. This is the actual Nobel Peace
Prize given to President Trump. Ananas2xLekker and CAT52!,
who both read Norwegian, can verify this.

The Nobel peace prize Committee
just announced that Trump will be
getting a peace prize.

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Den norske Nobels fredspriskomité tildeler, etter anbefaling fra Kongen, lederen av Norsk Bordellforening, Velstandskirken, presidenten for Internasjonalt Samfunn av Kvinnelige Voldtektsforbrytere og de dømte forbryterne i Norge og verden, enstemmig en ekstraordinær pissepris til president Donald Trump for at han startet flere kriger enn han kan avslutte, og for å ha overbevist millioner av tapere om å religiøst falle for løgnene hans. Henrettet den femte i august 2026 og vitnet av det norske folket.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 13:44 other posts 
Trump has been NOMINATED for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize,
but I'm sure that they can find 'some' people who deserve it more.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 18:45 other posts 

And yet, this phart fell for it.
I thought it was 😂 hilarious!
By phart [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 22:49 other posts 
I didn't fall for anything dumbass, I went to the link you posted, found nothing about it, and said so, and you reposted the same damn link. then come up with some shit story.
Trump has done more for world peace than you have leo.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 01:20 other posts 
You fucked up
By phart [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 09:19 other posts 
ananas,would you give me some clue as to how I fucked up when all i did was said there was nothing there and leo's shit was fake?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 11:57 other posts 
In this case, I'm on your side; you couldn't believe that anyone still thinks
that Trump would deserve The Nobel peace prize either.

Honestly, my first reactions was: "NOOOOO, have they gone completely mad!"
Fortunately, a simple search saved me from giving up on the world completely.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 13:59 other posts 
Well, I can't say all that but it would have been a interesting read had it been real, and there have been some folks that got it that others doubted deserved it. frankly even joe biden did more for world peace than leo.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 15:54 other posts 
Pope Leo only got it, because as an American he confronted Trump.
He tried to prevent a war between the US and Venezuela.
Maybe it worked, because the violence of the takeover was minimal.
Venezuela is now under control and the US is stealing their money,
but maybe the US will let them keep some of the money for their own oil.
At least, the US has relaxed some of the sanctions.
Maybe, that's what Pope Leo got out of the meetings with JD Vance.
And that's maybe worth a Nobel peace prize these days.

It obviously didn't work to prevent a war with Iran, which is THE WAR that Israel had been demanding for decades, but even Republican presidents were smart enough to not start. Didn't I predict that it would be a fucking mess?
It now looks that Iran wants to stretch this war until the next POTUS, while they keep the Strait of Hormuz closed.
Maybe you don't realize what a mess this will be for the US.
It's not that you need this oil so much, it's more that you will loose any goodwill from other countries that you might still have.

Honestly, I see one good thing coming from it; it will speed up the transition
to renewable energy. And since Trump will prevent that from happening in the US, it will put you behind even further. The billionaires will still make lots of money, don't worry about that. It will just be devastating to the rest of you.
It will be great for China, who will make all the solar panels, wind turbines
and batteries. They will be the next superpower. I hope they'll only take Taiwan.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 16:45 other posts 
actually I was talking about our resident leo the smart ass ,not the catholic leo.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 17:32 other posts 
Why would leopoldij need to do anything for world peace?
As far as I know he doesn't have a high position in a government?

I thought you meant leopoldij at first, and then I remembered the Pope.
"Oh, he means the Pope, that makes sense." Not to you of course.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Aug,26 20:09 other posts 
Well, I will admit, leo has no moral or legal obligation to do a damn thing in society. BUT you would think as critical as he is of things and people, and high and mighty as he acts, that he would actually want to do something to help achieve world peace. But no, he just sits in his basement with drool running down his chin while black mold grows on the walls.All the while calling himself typing on his Amiga 1200. And with all that going on it is raining outside and his mother is upstairs hollering the porridge and skim milk is ready. so yea, he does nothing for world peace,
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 04:17 other posts 
Some people are keyboard warriors (there is a lot of them here,
no exceptions for yours truly), some people join "No Kings!" protests,
or go on a boat to interfere with whale hunting or dumping toxic waste
in the ocean. Other people flood the streets to communicate their lack
of empathy or even hate for the least powerful and fortunate people
in the world. What do you consider "doing a damn thing"?

Everyone can promote world peace in a small way, but citizens can only become a big factor, if they dedicate their lives to a cause. It also requires talents that not everyone has, because the 'job' mainly requires convincing other people.

Convincing people is extraordinarily difficult because you're not just transferring information, you’re trying to change another human being's internal model of the world. We have been trying to do that for each other for years now, and I think we can agree that we didn't have great success. lol

Just having an interest in politics doesn't mean that you can 'sell' politics to other people. You can learn some skills, but there are talents and natural advantages that you cannot learn, but sometimes compensate for. I have learned some of them on the job, but I know my limitations. I also know my strengths, and what they are useful for. Basically, I'm a problem solver.
I learned this in an in-between job, where I received the most recognition.
It was when I could analyze a problem, understand its causes, and work out a solution. That experience carried into the jobs that followed, and it gradually became part of my role. Today, I solve and implement solutions, and I also help others do the same. It's only part of my work, but it's a big enough part, and one where I can really use my strengths.
It's in Big Pharma, who make money from people who suffer, but without us they would suffer worse and die. Pharmaceutical products help people lead a normal life and contribute to society. This enriches people who don't add any value, but that is a system that humanity has chosen. We could choose something better.

On a large scale, solving problems requires an organization that combines different strengths. I have the skills to execute, but execution depends on having permission, authority, resources, information, and institutional access. A person can be capable of solving a problem but, I could not be effective, without my employers system, that provides me the mandate to make relevant decision, allocate the money, change the policy, or mobilize the people required.

Unless you have the skills, attributes, mandate and time to have a big impact, as an average citizen you can affect the world on a small scale, in some or more of the following ways:

1. Be a good person to the people around you.
2. Support people who are struggling.
3. Donate money to effective causes.
4. Build an accurate, reality-based understanding of the world.
5. Vote and participate in democracy with the common good in mind.
6. Stay informed about important public issues.
7. Use your professional skills for good.
8. Make your workplace better for other people.
9. Mentor, teach, or help someone advance.
10. Strengthen your local community and social connections.
11. Volunteer a small, sustainable amount of time.
12. Reduce unnecessary consumption and waste.
13. Make major purchases environmentally and socially responsible.
14. Invest in home insulation and energy efficiency.
15. Invest in solar power and other clean energy.
16. Replace fossil-fuel systems with electric alternatives where practical.
17. Reduce dependence on private-car transport and fossil fuels.
18. Invest your savings in productive, responsible businesses and infrastructure.
19. Use your influence as a consumer, employee, citizen, and investor.
20. Share useful knowledge, skills, and opportunities with others.
21. Build a good, sustainable life rather than sacrificing yourself to the cause.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 10:46 other posts 
this is 1 of the more civilized and useful post you have made, I hope leo , the syd 1, can read and learn. because he just seems to be a muck raker.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 11:26 other posts 
Thanks
By Blacklab77 [Ignore] 10,Aug,26 22:06 other posts 
The Pope is a president of a country. His army is the masses of Catholics. He’s no better than any other head of state.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Aug,26 11:57 other posts 
Well, maybe he didn't PERSONALLY grape children.
By Blacklab77 [Ignore] 12,Aug,26 22:57 other posts 
Don't assume
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,Aug,26 03:28 other posts 
I wasn't there, but there is enough evidence to say so.
And I said "maybe".


By #739425 07,Aug,26 21:28
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By Blacklab77 [Ignore] 08,Aug,26 09:36 other posts 
Where is this?
By #739425 08,Aug,26 09:49
The uk
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By phart [Ignore] 29,Jul,26 20:54 other posts 
I can't help but wonder what secrets fauchi-felchy is holding back pleading the 5th so many times? What is he afraid to tell us? He has been pardoned,what the hell has he got to loose?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jul,26 04:55 other posts 
He is not participating in this childish perjury trap.

What do you think, that he would just tell you, if there was some massive conspiracy
going on, that your whole administration failed to uncover? Silly goose!

What was Trump hiding, when he pleaded the 5th over 440 times?

One thing that the House Republicans have been trying to do, is to abuse the broad definition of gain-of-function (GoF) research, give him no time to explain what part of that definition was applicable to the international infectious disease research collaborations and which part was not, and then try to point to some made up inconsistency and call it a lie, for which they will try to put him in jail for 5 years. Does that answer your question?
By phart [Ignore] 30,Jul,26 12:16 other posts 
not really. Until the paper work that is supposedly sealed for 75 years is opened that tells all the info about the so called vaccines, no,it will not answer my questions.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jul,26 12:54 other posts 
Nothing related to the Covid pandemic and vaccines is top secret.
Everything is already in public records or can be requested trough FOIA.

You are actually accusing Trump of hiding some conspiracy too now.
Remember that it was him who started Operation Warp Speed.
He was quite proud of that, until you all turned mental.

What are you expecting to learn, if there were those records?
If there were records that would condemn Fauci, would Trump hide it for him?

You don't have questions, you just have a chaotic feeling of distrust.
You think that I trust the government because I don't have the same questions.
It was your MAGA president and my VVD (corporate right-wing) prime minister
handling the Covid pandemic. You think that a socialist is trusting that side more than you? I was annoyed on a daily basis with how they handled it. There were fuck-ups regularly. But if there was some global conspiracy going on, we first need to establish
A GOAL!!! I have heard multiple ridiculous goals from your side, that ALL do not make sense with what happened. You have no idea about a goal either, you just want to believe that something extremely evil was going on. Well, if there was, they were fortunately incredibly incompetent, because the world is basically back to how it was.

The only evil that was achieved is a fucking huge transfer of wealth from the taxpayers
to the wealthy, who got massive bailouts from our right-wing governments.
But they don't need a pandemic for that and you like that, so why are you complaining?
By phart [Ignore] 30,Jul,26 14:47 other posts 
Well, something aint right, to many folks I knew are dead now shortly after them damn shots, and I understand there could fault most anywhere,but it is time to settle it and get the best info out there into the living rooms of the US and if you ever wanted to fix this distrust in government,now is the time to do it
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jul,26 16:06 other posts 
How many, how shortly. I think you're suffering from massive confirmation bias.

There can be something wrong with any product that you put in your body. A single can of beans can kill you with botulism, meat can contain deadly parasites, there is an outbreak of Cyclospora parasites right now. 423 people have been hospitalized. And vaccines can indeed contain a contamination or some unlucky bastard can have an allergic reaction. Still, overall vaccines have massively reduced the deaths of infectious diseases. You only still see polio in the bible belt or old people who had it as a child. Many diseases were practically wiped out, but some are now coming back because of vaccine fears.

That fear is not all caused by the government. The media was spreading doubt 24/7, by "just asking questions". Sorry to tell you, but those questions were fucking ignorant or blatant misinformation, for political reasons.

If you haven't stopped taking all pharmaceutical products, you are accepting the same risk of death every day, that you would have had once by getting vaccinated. Most pharmaceuticals have been tested less extensively than the vaccines. Some pharmaceuticals have so many side effects that it is debatable whether their benefits outweigh their risks. All the focus is on vaccines, while they have been proven to be very safe and effective, because the only thing they do is train the immune system. That's much less impact than lowering blood pressure, suppressing inflammation,
or killing bacteria.
You were accepting a much higher risk from the virus itself, because you are not a young, healthy guy. The morgue was full of guys like you, who were afraid of the 'jab'. There were enough guys of my age and weight dying too, so that's why I was careful to not get it. After I was fully vaccinated, I was feeling relieved. Not because I trusted the vaccines from the start, but because many old people got it before me and lived.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 31,Jul,26 08:53 other posts 
Phart, they were MAGA Republicans.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 31,Jul,26 12:15 other posts 
Can you believe that the maga religionists are worried about Faucu but they never ever say anything about their supreme leader's blatant crimes?
--------------------------------------- added after 69 seconds

Here's a pic of a chubby milf i like

I'm posting it just because.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Aug,26 12:17 other posts 
They process everything through very simple patterns:

Complex crisis → uncertainty and fear → simple explanation → identifiable enemy → simple solution

If you understand multiple interacting factors, you see:

Virus biology + human behavior + public health capacity + healthcare systems + communication + economics + political decisions + social trust → pandemic outcomes

I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe that Fauci was doing anything nefarious, other then trying to manage stupid people, by not being fully candid
about everything, all the time.

As a result, they accuse him of killing millions of people, while simultaneously
calling Covid "just a cold". However, the recent charades are just a distraction.
They scored very well with fearmongering, so this is their attempt to regain support.
By dgraff [Ignore] 06,Aug,26 09:47 other posts 
Deport him we don’t need a guy like fishy fauchi around
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Aug,26 10:51 other posts 
He’s a native born American. Where do we deport him to? The Rocky Mountains?
By phart [Ignore] 06,Aug,26 14:54 other posts 
Like a revenuer, he probably would never come back down the mountain.
By dgraff [Ignore] 06,Aug,26 18:28 other posts 
Works for me
Your own president praised him, but now your cult says "Attack him!"
so you do, without having the slightest idea why.
Did you always want to be a DOG?
By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Aug,26 06:22 other posts 
That was before the democrats got a hold of him and twisted his mind around they told him it was ok to lie and they signed him a life long pardon to bad it was in auto pen
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Aug,26 07:16 other posts 
There are about 6 different topics that he supposedly lied about. In none of these cases did he clearly lie.

March 2020 masks: Incomplete / strategically framed
PPE shortage rationale: Not fully candid initially
Wuhan/gain-of-function: Interpreted consistently with the narrow definition
6-foot rule: Weakly evidenced / arbitrary, but easy to remember
Lab-leak origins: Said that there was no reason to suspect intent
“I am the science”: Rhetorical overreach

It's a stupid inefficient practice, but it seems that hundreds or even thousands of forms for standard appropriations, staff assignments and other low level documents are asking for a director's signature, while that is practically nonsense. It seems that your government agencies have used auto pens a lot. That's mostly your government's inability to solve issues. A mechanical pen device that's rare in my country.
Some government agencies use pre-printed signatures or stamps or digital signatures. Not everything has to be signed by a director, but sometimes they use
the signature of the person who is leading the department, without actually requiring authorization. It's a common long-established practice in the US, because you have
a more hierarchical society. Individual officeholders care about their signature,
as the visible symbol of authority.


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