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This is sickening to me. and to think there are alot of folks that think this is such a great idea.i guess it is the same idiots that don't value the unborns life that don't value adults lives?
I get that way around 1pm or so and if I don't eat something, i aint worth a damn,i am sick and weak.
People can be suffering from a mental illness, with no end in sight, just as much
as people can suffer from a physical illness, with no end in sight.
You think you can imagine her pain and then come to the conclusion
that she has no right to end her own life, I don't.
Translate this article and find out if she got any help from our healthcare system:
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I don't know if she got ALL the care that she needed, but I'm sure anyone in her position
has a better chance to get that care in my country, than in yours.
In your country, people die from not having enough money to save themselves,
in my country some people die by choice, after all efforts to help them failed.
Lack of Insurance to Blame for Almost 45,000 Deaths:
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Can't pay for insurance, send them to the grave yard.
Besides, if you walk into any of our hospitals that receive any government funding they can't turn away people or deny basic care.
Many canadians come to the US to get care because their free care takes to long to receive.
But here in the US,
With go fund me and other things going on locally, I know for a fact that "poor" people can get help if they legit need it.
I have witnessed it.
I had a co worker who didn't have dental insurance, his teeth were terrible. A church group arranged for a dentist in the next state over to do what needed to be done at no cost to the church or him.
Sadly it didn't work out well, he died 3 months later from sepsis. there was so much infection in the teeth and gums the surgery came to late.
Good people come in all kinds and classes. People help each other when called upon.
What do you think publicly funded healthcare is?
It's everyone chipping in to help another, just like the church does sometimes.
However, instead of being grateful to the church for providing that sometimes
to one or two people, you can always depend on publicly funded healthcare
providing what you need when you need it, without asking for a handout.
It's not just poor people who cannot afford healthcare in the US, it's the large majority of Americans. Almost anything worse than an ingrown toenail would cost you $10,000 or more in co-pays, even when you have an insurance that's considered 'good'. When 44% of Americans can't pay an unexpected $1,000 expense from savings, how many people will need to beg for money every year? And how many people are donating to all those people asking for money, when they can hardly get around themselves? You're dealing in fantasies.
Of course publicly funded healthcare, cutting out the middleman would be many times cheaper, but it isn't necessary. Healthcare was fully privatized in my country in 2006 and we are beating your ass on quality and cost. It only takes some solid regulation. Republicans keep saying deregulating it will work, but that's what you had before and even more people died from lack of healthcare. Biden is doing something. It's nowhere near enough, but that's because the Republicans are fighting him tooth and nail. They really prefer having pharma companies selling their $1 products for $1000, while the government funded all their research. Working in the pharma industry, you would think I would like that, but I know it would just go to the shareholders. I got that covered too, but I still prefer you to have affordable healthcare, like I have (for as long as it lasts, with many of my countrymen voting for stupid right-wing populists).
When obama took over. i lost my good insurance from my employer and it was replaced as i have said before with a crappy mess that has higher copays and only 70% coverage until the bill gets astronomical.
Democrats screwed the working class trying to give coverage to those that don't work.Oh yea, about biden, if he is doing so much, why did my arthritis medicine go from 2 bucks to 7.50 january of 24??
Eh?
They already have too much control over you. When you need another job,
you lose your healthcare. When you cannot work, you lose your healthcare.
If you want group rates, let the government buy in your care.
I literally said that Biden is doing nowhere near enough.
That's still 100x more than Trump did. He had NO PLAN besides cutting and gutting. It might look cheaper, but people are getting screwed eventually.
Biden cannot prevent companies from raising prices and he won't.
That would be socialism, wouldn't it? He didn't support medicare4All.
There are alot of people who do have a interruption in insurance if they quit a job. that's why folks really ought to have their ducks in a row before they quit 1 job to go to another.
It was originally a plan from Mitt Romney.
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Obama cooperated with Republicans, who turned it into a big giveaway to the insurance companies. Would he have had the seats to ignore the Republicans, he could have regulated the insurance companies and pharma companies more to lower the prices. At least Biden is doing some of that.
Employer funded healthcare might have looked cheaper, because employers pay some of it, but they only compensate for that by lowering your wage or taking other benefits away. Any time employees want to negotiate wages or benefits, employers use the health coverage hostage. You might think you are paying less for healthcare, but you might be worse of in total.
You are describing a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.
It's just another level of control from employers, to make it harder for people to walk away from a sucky job or low wages, to find a better (paying) job. It further reduces the strength of the argument that you don't need unions, because you can just find another job. And when you get sick, your employer has a double incentive to get rid of you, which is very easy in your country. You lot always find ways to fuck yourself more and more.
Democracy is intended to vote for your own best interest, not the best interest of wealthy people. You're already way down the priority list of your politicians, because you don't give them millions of dollars. I don't understand how you cannot understand that they trained you to serve them, while they prefer you to die.
Trump has just gotten 50 billion dollars from the wealthy, because he promised them more tax-cuts. That will massively increase the deficit, increasing inflation (or does that only happen under Democrats) unless he starts cutting even more expenses going to infrastructure, social security, Medicare, Medicade, border security, the police, etc. Not a cent of that money will go to you or to lower your costs. You have a right to government help. The only politicians who would ever provide you with it are progressives, but you keep voting for politicians who hate you.
Is it perfect? No. Did it cause some inconveniences for some? Yes, but, show the alternative. And remember, in huge efforts to repeal it, THE REPUCKERS, both federal and state made sure to put financial roadblocks to it that created many of those inconveniences.
The US is at the very top of most expensive health care in the world:
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That might be expected, if the US was also providing the highest quality of healthcare, but in the rankings of countries on overall quality of the healthcare system, your country ranks 23th:
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That's 22 countries with more affordable healthcare, that score higher on quality. So, for the alternatives; copy the system from one of those countries.
Trump said he wanted to provide great healthcare at an affordable price. If he had just presented a plan, which he could have just copied from any one of those countries, he would have had more than enough seats in the House and Senate to do so. Democratic voters would actually be angry with their representatives and punish them the next election, if the president from the other party wants to do something they like and their own party would block it.
with a gun laying around. You have 73 people dying by gun suicide every day,
totaling nearly 27,000 deaths in a year.
Do you think that 'basic care' of yours could have helped someone like her?
You are kidding right? Do they even provide psychiatric care or can they just
stitch you up, when you had an accident?
She had been suffering her whole life, adding anorexia on her other problems
from the age of about 16, ending up in a hospital and in an eating disorder clinic
for seven months. After that she has been in psychological care constantly
and visited many specialists. Sometimes they can't fix you, you understand that.
Some people struggle through those challenges, some people don't. I'm happy that you find your life worthwhile and I hope you live it to the maximum. It's still not up to you to project your experiences onto others. Empathy is understanding other people's motivations, not unloading your motivations on them.
People have a right to life, not an obligation to survive all suffering and despair.
You keep presenting euthanasia this as other people taking their life. If that was true, you would find me on your side. It's not true, it's assisted suicide. People only qualify for it, when their suffering is determined to have a 'medical basis', when it is hopeless and when the patient is mentally competent to make the choice.
You also keep framing mental illness as something people can decide to stop or others can slap you out of. Mental illness is a disease. Patients can be smart, logical and coherent and still suffer from depression or anxiety or addictions or schizophrenia or who knows else. Some can be cured, some can learn to live with it and some cannot. Just like some people can survive lost or undeveloped limbs, fully losing kidney function or diabetes. The difference is that science has provided better remedies to treat those health problems, while mental illness is more complicated and more difficult to cure or treat.
She had tried suicide tens of times. In your country, the first time would have probably been successful.
How can you be sure they are suffering? or faking it so they can die? I think alot of suicides ,including the mutable attempts my former girlfriend had made over the years, are because they are just to fucking lazy to live.
You're doing the exact same thing again, that I just pointed out in the penultimate paragraph in my last post.
Did you ever hear about people who only think that they're suffering, instead of actually suffering, so much that they ask for assisted suicide?
We don't make policies on wild speculation, we make policies on the principle
of providing people with freedoms.
These are freedoms that only affect people in making their own choices.
You support freedoms that very much impact other people. You're 2nd amendment rights indisputably costs many innocent people their lives, but you don't even accept some common sense regulation on it. Meanwhile, you are arguing that maybe some people might harm themselves with right that I support, while I'm very much in favor of regulating that freedom very responsibly.
You claim i have been indoctrinated, but yet, you are the minority. Most people went to public schools, watch the news, think for themselves, see with their own eyes and make their important decisions based on their observations of all this mentioned and more.
YOU on the other hand, and to a point Anannas as well, seem to think since you think outside of a smaller different box that we are all wrong and evil and any other negative adjective you can come up with.
Just what makes a few atheist so special that the world should follow them? Hell,it would become a cult all to it's self! A religion of liberalism.
The understanding of the brain isn't required. When people act lucid enough, we deem them to be capable of dicing their own faith. The process is careful enough to balance freedom of choice with protecting people against their own bad judgement. Why do I need to defend that against someone who always, in every other case, demands people to be responsible for their own actions? We just had that discussion! You didn't ask to make an exception for people who have diminished mental capacity then.
A few atheists? We are the biggest religious affiliation group in your country and growing rapidly in numbers.
Why are atheists so special? Because we don't accept claims without evidence.
Having no good reason to be believe something, is a good reason to not believe it.
We would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
Atheism doesn't in any way agree with the definition of 'cult'. A cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
We are in no way devoted to any figure, we are devoted to the arguments. We have many figures communicating the arguments and some get very famous, but we drop them like a bad habit as soon as they betray the arguments or display bad character. We don't care who said something, we only care about what arguments they used when they said it. We also don't base our political ideas on what the representatives of atheism report to have, when that's not their area of expertise. We value opinions if they are communicated by people with expertise on the subject and not because they are deemed to have authority. Most of our representatives don't even make claims on subjects they lack expertise in, or they say they lack expertise when they communicate their opinion. When our representatives claim authority or expertise they don't have, they risk our appreciation.
Any completely unknown person can convince us more with facts and logic,
than any world renowned and beloved person can with unsupported claims.
Trumpists are a cult, because it's all about the man, glorifying him, not accepting any criticism of him, believing his every word over their own eyes and ears, even when it's the exact opposite of what he said a sentence before, comparing him with Jesus or even preferring him over Jesus.
questions without answers, seems to be inspired by Hades sending Sisyphus to Tartarus forever to roll a rock up a hill.
i had heard as a little boy that this was the greeks interpretation of hell.
And it turns out some claim it is where the Christians borrowed the idea from.
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But at the same time, if I do live a decent life, which is all religion really ask of you,i am forgiven and I die and nothing, um, what did I loose living a decent life?
Treating others as i want to be treated, not stealing, not adulterating , etc.
i did no harm during my life, so what was the loss?
Is being a atheist that much fun that you are willing to wake up 1 day with flames burning your eye lids off for eternity? and to go beyond folks here in general, for others is being a evil, murdering thief that much fun that it is worth the risk?
why would anyone want to be a evil murdering thieving fool anyway? atheist seem to think it is just freedom right?
Regardless of your beliefs or lack thereof,
The point of religion is a form of government .it guides us how to live and such.. so to hate religion is to hate being governed '
With your scientific method, PROVE there is nothing after our body ceases to breath. PROVE, don't present theory's, PROVE there is nothing after we stop breathing.
You can't. We could both present evidence to support our cases but there is no 100% irrefutable proof.
That is why the word faith is inserted.
To a point leo, annans, you have a "faith" of sorts, you have faith there is nothing, and in the big scheme of things, you are but amoebas with dysentery.
Do you want to be a hurtful person?
Can you not enjoy your life without being a hurtful person?
If there is no god and hell, are there there things you missed out on,
without having been a hurtful person?
I agree with you that "to hate religion is to hate being governed", but it is to hate being governed by a DICTATOR. I want very much to be governed by democratically elected representatives, working together with the sole purpose to best represent the needs of their voters.
If god was a dictator, he (obviously man by gender then) would be in our lives constantly, making us do his bidding. The fact that he's hiding, reduces the likelihood of that kind of dictator god.
Why is Leo bad for fucking everything that walks (if he does that)?
He's not r@ping anyone, it looks like he's proving lots of pleasure.
The idea that sex is evil is one of those bullshit religious dogmas.
Even if there is a god, and heaven and hell are real, believers are risking that the religions are wrong about how god wants you to live your life. Those holy books are all disagreeing with each other. If you just pick the bible, because you live among people who tell you that's the real holy book, you might just be born in the wrong place, and find out that god is more like Allah. You are sure fucked then mate. At least I was nice to my Muslim neighbors and didn't want the Palestinians to be exterminated.
Or there is a very woke god, who all wants us to love each other.
At least almost everyone gets in to heaven then. You might be alright.
I don't need to substitute faith for the things that I'm not 100% sure about,
I'm fully satisfied with not knowing everything. It's a motivation to think more, while faith is a motivation to stop thinking.
What if god wants people to try to reach the maximum knowledge and use science and logic to best understand the beauty of their creation? Is the universe this complex, for people to refuse exploring this complexity?
Don't you think it's a little bit suspicious when a religion claims that the only way to get into heaven is to really really believe that religion? I smell a scam from a million miles away.
I can't prove there is no god, but that doesn't mean that everything they tell you about him isn't absolute garbage.
A god makes a universe, with the goal of having people to worship him?
Does a being that powerful need that? How disappointing!
And how insulting would it be, for you to think that about them?
Atheists are not the one risking there possibility of getting into heaven; believers are, by being the worst blasphemers on this planet.
If I believe there’s a higher being that promises an eternal afterlife and there’s none, then I haven’t lost anything and gained guidance that is good and proper to live an honorable life. If there is a higher being, same thing. It’s a win-win situation.
The rest of what we call religion, I call subservience to man’s endless wants to rule. I can’t fault you, Phart, for the way you think about religion, nor can I fault you, Ananas and Leo, for your thoughts on religion.
At the ends of the day there’s right and wrong and you don’t need a supreme being’s wrath to tell you what is what.
You consider it a safe bet to believe, but you are still betting on you choosing the correct religion. All the believers think they were lucky enough to be born in the right place with the right religion, but there is no argument at all that you are correct. Your faith that you are correct is just as real as the faith of a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Hindu that they are correct.
I accept that there could be a god, although I find it not very plausible, but I see no chance that the god resembles the character as described in the holy books of the major religions. If I started believing that a god exists, then I would need to search hard for a holy book that describes a god that I would consider worth the claim of a of the greatest entity in existence. The religions I know do such a bad job of describing such a being that I would fear that supreme being’s wrath much more, if I choose one of the major religions, than when I wouldn't choose a religion at all. I truly consider them blasphemy.
I honestly think, that if there is a creator of the universe and a different afterlife based on an assessment of my character, I'm better off being honest, following my secular humanist based socialist politics, trying to save nature and humanity and trying to help people with my party, than hypocritically trying to believe something I consider untrue and even harmful. Sorry, if I offend you with that last statement.
You base yourself on Christianity, but because you make up your own mind about right and wrong, you are able to pick the good parts from religion and ignore the bad parts. There are and have been many people like you, who are and have been inspired to do beautiful acts of kindness. This is very much in line with the core message of Jesus in the bible. That's why I've said before that I like the character of Jesus.
When Mahatma Gandhi said: 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.', he wasn't talking about Mother Teresa, or Martin Luther King, or anyone who interprets the general message of Jesus as 'love thy neighbour as thyself', but the people who go look for a preacher who yells in furious anger the political message of hate against everyone they hate, based on one or two lines in the old testament (the bad parts), completely opposing Jesus' message of compassion.
Then the preacher, who has made millions of dollars from the working class people in his church and donations from wealthy Christo-fascists, starts jelling about moochers who don't want to work, socialists, communists and Marxists who want to keep them lazy by feeding them, and how taxes on the rich are destroying America, because the holy job providers will take care of the flock, if they only cast out the evil Democrats, who want to turn your son into your daughter or your daughter into your son, because they worship the devil. A message which is completely inspired by an agenda of providing subservient workers to the owner class they serve, FOR MONEY AND POWER. They turned capitalism into a religion, which is the exact opposite of Jesus' general message.
Matthew 19:21-24: And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”. They don't believe a word of it themselves, they are just using and twisting the local religion to destroy critical thinking and rule the gullible masses, to serve their Unholy Riches. They don't believe that hell story, it's only a useful tool, for tools.
That's the type of 'Christianity' that I do have a problem with.
Mormonism
Jehovas witnesses
Trumpism
Qanonists
KuKluxKlaners
Scientificologists
ChildrenOfGodInternationals
TeleEvangelists
Pentecostalists
NRAloyalists
FlatEarthers
....
All theses idiotic religions/cults/dogmas.... Why the fuck are there so many deluded people? Why do people have to believe all kinds of shit?
until they live it themselves. You can empathize with people who make a choice,
but you can never say you would make the same choice.
That's the important thing about choices; you want the right to make your OWN choices, because anyone else making them FOR YOU can be expected to make the wrong choice.
One should be free to make choices!
You don't want a religion or a state to be dictating to you what you should do.
If a dr can determine a persons brain can't even tell it's hands to insert food into it's mouth to nurish it's body,how can that dr be sure enough to know that person is sincere when they say they want to die?
I want the doctor to have a role in deciding if I have a chance of getting better, but only have a role in very clear cases to decide if I'm mentally capable to make my decision.
Besides, you would need to go get a jab for that, very very often.
You are not even willing to do that for a virus that has a good chance to kill you, why would you do that for the actual 'sniffles'?
You can keep repeating that I shouldn't have the right to make my own choices, because doctors cannot determine if I can be trusted to make that choice,
but it is a useless argument to convince me, because I don't want them to.
If you are mentally capable of such a decision, you are also in good enough mental health to be taught to pick up a fucking fork and feed yourself.
But then, if you have to be forced to feed yourself, you are already past go. so then you are not capable of making that choice
It is stupid to let people die just because they are to nuts to eat.insert a feeding tube.
Well, maybe you should put the death penalty on it.
The reason is simple, people who try to commit suicide are already in enough trouble, so we offer help to try to save their lives, not punishment.
I support Israel's right to defend themselves too, but they have abused that right from day one. Now they have long passed the legal qualification of 'defending a country' and much violated the laws of war against 'war crimes' and 'genocide'.
And we don't need a doctor to inspect the brains of children, that are splattered around Gaza, to see if they were terrorists or not.
All I hear is people asking israel to stop, no one has ask iran or hamas to stop have they? Um?
Second, the people of Gaza are mostly innocent non-combatant s.
Third, why are you so sanguine? Every time there's some type of confrontational conflict, you want one side to anihiliate the other and the "other" is the ones you don't like.
Fourth, you never advice the combatants to try to work out a peaceful solution. This is true from police/perrp confrontations to genocide a la Israeli/Gaza. Shame on you, friend. What has happened to you in your life that you can't be at least a little compassionate?
BUT every time you try to show compassion you get walked on by whoever you had shown it to because they interpret it as weakness and use it against you.
you try to just live and let live and they are just sharpening their knives and fueling up their hang gliders to use to kill you.
terrorist know Americans and others are "compassionate" that's why terrorism works so well against us.
when the terrorists were walking all over you. The US has created that breeding ground for terrorism for decades, by propping up extremist Muslims to leaders of Middle Eastern countries and toppling moderate democratically elected leaders, so you could take their oil a bit cheaper.
They hate you, because they have a good reason to hate you and it's not because they don't like your freedom, but because you destroyed their chances of freedom.
Any time you try to fight terrorism, you create even more of it.
You take a passive approach and never learn from your experience's , I take a defensive approach meant to prevent those things from happening again.
And unable to see danger until to late?
We didn't have the men trying to be women competing in women's sports 20 years ago.
We didn't have Fentanyl coming over the border in women's pussys tied up in baggys until recently
we didn't have immigrant swimming across the water as often as we do now.
People are stealing right and left and no justice.
Years ago I was able to work for a living,had alot more say in what I did and how I did it, no failures on my part,just circumstances beyond my control.
I am so sick of watching my friends suffer economicaly,
sick of watching the street fall apart while biden and his ilk want to build more solar farms and have us walk while eating tofu.
Just a whole barrage of issues in life that have molded me to not be the "nice " guy folks think I should be
with 'watching the street fall apart'?
You are sick of watching your friends suffer economically?
Why are they suffering economically? Are their costs too high
and their income too low? How about increasing wages then?
Oh, no no no no, that would be expensive for their employers!
How about lowering their costs of education and healthcare and rent and insurances, by regulating the companies who make record profits over their backs and then call it inflation?
Oh, no no no no, that would be socialism!
Well, let them suffer the system that you support then!
You accuse Biden of the problems that your support for
the trickle down economy fantasy has caused.
WHEN will those millionaires, who now all turned into billionaires, finally start paying their employees more? Did they do that, every time their taxes were lowered by every Republican president? Will they start doing it, when they pay 0% taxes and turn into trillionaires?
Of course not, you will just pay more taxes, to make up for
all the wealthy people who pay no taxes.
They told you it would happen and it didn't. Every decade, the middle class became poorer and poorer, while the rich and wealthy became richer and wealthier. THEY LIED TO YOU, but you blame Biden.
Is this caused by transgenders competing in women's sports?
Are we talking about 2 or 3, at an actually important level?
Like that has caused your friends suffering economically.
Of course not, it's the bullshit distractions they tell you,
to keep you voting for the horrible politicians who actually
caused your friends suffering economically.
'Vermin' is straight up Nazi speech. If the supporters of a Jewish nation
are using that speech, something has gone horribly wrong.
Stop acting like the evil side in history.
There is that "compassion and empathy thing,"oh they are just upset muslims making a statement.
No they are EVIL subhumans. Vermin is a compliment.
The only way to fight terrorists is taking away the reason for them.
As long as people are suffering and being oppressed, they will support terrorists. That's the term for the 'freedom fighters', from the other side.
They are always poor and uncivilized people, who kill in a personal way,
with knives and rifles, instead of in a civilized, impersonal way, with a rocket, a bomb, or a shell, from a plane, helicopter, drone or tank. That's because knives, rifles are the only weapons they have. They are called terrorists, because they do terror. The overwhelming power they fight does even more terror, but that's considered legitimate and in response of their terror.
Haven't you seen films like Star Wars?
Israel is The Empire, oppressing Palestine. The rebels killed many storm-troopers, even a whole Death Star with probably many people on it who were just living their lives, working for the empire. Those rebels, like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, killed many people who were just serving for the glory and expansion of the empire, while the terrorists and the people who protect them stood in their way. That's why the empire blew up the whole planet of Alderaan, with all those filthy terrorist sympathizers on it.
All those primitive people calling themselves freedom-fighters, while they were standing in the way of a glorious, modern, democratic empire.
(Well, it was democratic, but in war, the president requires all the power,
so the senate and courts relinquished all power to Emperor Palpatine.)
Death to those filthy rebels! Kill them all, and everyone supporting them!
Movies most of the time position the rebels as the good guys. That's just storytelling and not realistic. People fighting against oppression are often traumatized hateful extremists, doing despicable things, to maximize their impact, because they are fighting against impossible odds. However, they are fighting for what they think is freedom for their people, to live the way they want to live, against an oppressor with many times the strength and power, that has behaved without any respect for their lives and rights,
and has caused many more death. That oppressor just has power and information reporting on their side, which provides them with legitimacy
in the eyes of people on their side. People, who think they are the good guys by definition, only look at the actions of the other side and never think about the actions of their own side.
Or maybe you have not seen Star Wars, because it was 'woke'.
Woke means being conscious of oppression, inequality and injustice.
Some people like oppression, inequality and injustice, if it's not them.
Or they think they don't deserve humanity, because they are inferior.
That's how all the dark, evil empires start, by calling people 'vermin'.
You're already a stage further; calling for extermination of the 'vermin'.
Have you got what it takes to hide yourself under a dead body?
I don't give a damn how oppressed you are,you don't go killing innocent people to try to earn respect.
I was 49 or 50 years old before I watched star wars i bought at a yard sale, and frankly never saw what was so great about it.
You seem to think if the terrorist were given what they want they would become followers of Mr Rogers and live peacefully.
You are so naive. When they kill, that is a thrill to them,it's like drugs and getting high. Kill ,kill , destroy
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"terrorists have shared a “dark form of fascination with destruction and killing,” a “death worship” transcending ideology, she told her students.:
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Uh just what would you "remove" to get rid of that "fascination" of killing ?
That is the issue with empathy, it prompts you to think that with a little love we could turn Jack the Ripper into a opera singer.
Did anyone actually research WHY those people killed themselves?
If it trauma, from being in that horrible situation, then do some research on how many Palestines are committing suicide.
Everyone has what it takes to hide yourself under a dead body,
that's what you do in situations like that. Or you freeze and die.
I didn't say Star Wars was great. Some episodes are, especially for the time, some are less good. I just referred to it, because it delivers the story of rebellion against oppression so clearly. It's literally framing a dark and a light side (of the force). I would say, it's the one SciFi genre that has told that good vs bad story the best. I have enjoyed every episode, mostly because I just like SciFi, but personally I prefer movies where the struggle between good and bad is more complicated. Recently, series have been doing a good job of it. I liked Game of Thrones, The Witcher and Vikings.
You seem to think that terrorists are being born as evil bloodthirsty people or that they are born as normal humans and just decide to become an evil bloodthirsty person one day. That doesn't happen. Hate doesn't just happen. Hate needs a breeding ground. That breeding ground in Palestine is easy for anyone to see, unless you really don't want to.
I have talked about it before at length. It doesn't require much empathy (not sympathy) to understand that being in the situation that Palestinians have lived in for decades now, would case them to hate Israel. A situation like that is a breeding ground for terrorists. That breeding ground will only become more fertile, when innocent people are murdered. I understand that this happened on Israeli side too. Then we end on two wrongs don't make a right again. Someone has to end that chain of violence, and that isn't the people without any power, but the people who control everything: Israel, with unconditional support of America. The US could make that support conditional.
You keep thinking that genocide of all Palestinians will end the chain of violence. There are about 5 million Palestinians. If they are all killed,
there will probably not be Hamas anymore. Congratulations, there are 500 million more Muslims in the world. Doing a genocide against Muslims, will create a breeding ground for many terrorists among them.
Trump's friend MBS is already funding them, for the next 9/11.
You are literally asking for a genocide, THAT'S evil!
Evil is something that needs to be decimated, not played with.
Besides, we have a tool for that now,
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Criticism of the state of Israel is NOT antisemitism. I now consider that state to be part of the axis of evil, on par with all the Muslim extremist dictatorships.
I will support sanctions against them and boycot them. Only if they ever judge the war criminals and learn from history, like Germany has, will I ever consider them a part of my world again.
There are only two ways out of this misery:
1) A two state solution, where Palestinians are not under control of Israel, protected by a Middle Eastern Treaty Organization (similar to our NATO),
that protects the borders of Palestine against Israel's aggression. No wall with Israeli snipers on it, killing children, but an international defense force.
2) Israel negotiates with the rest of the world, to take on every Palestinian refugee, Israel pays massive reparations to those refugees to settle in another country and pays those countries to accept them. Then they can have Gaza. I'm talking about at least $ 200 billion. For another $ 200 billion they can have the West Bank.
You will not be able to put both of those groups near each other and have peace for any length of time.
a israeli will throw a rock at the palestinian that killed his brother 7 months from the time all that was put together and start the whole ruckus again.
MILES and sand to separate them in 2 different places will bring a better world for all.
To be frank, peace in that part of the world is a fantasy only surpassed by something silly like me being Paris Hiltons husband.
I think this episode of star trek relates to the crap in israel or that region in general
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Why not florida?
besides aren't the Palestinians just miss understood and hated because of myths and propaganda? where is your empathy for these loving people that just want to live in "piece" as in blow everyone to pieces?
Israel started the hostilities by creating a Jewish state in an area that has never been purely Jewish and then for decades expanding their land at the detriment of the Palestinians that already lived there.
It's not a bothsides (fallacy) issue of two peoples who refuse to live in peace together, it's a one-side issue of an apartheid state, that intended to take whole the area for itself, from day one.
It's the failing of international law to have let that happen, but that's mostly because Christian Americans consider that area the promised land too and agreed with purifying it for Jews, because of a prophesy they created.
Europe didn't do much to help the Palestinians either, probably because there are also lots of Christians in Europe who consider the area Jewish, because of Christianity. That and guilt for the holocaust.
It's nonsense to propose creating another state for Palestinians somewhere. It's what you did with the native Americans, but the rest of the world doesn't agree with repeating that crime against humanity.
Although, it's a better idea than your first, of just eradicating them all.
Peace is difficult, that doesn't make it futile to try, it's necessary for humanity's continued existence. As long as wars distract us from solving climate change, we keep acting like Thelma & Louise.
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