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By CAT [Ignore] 05,May,22 13:47 other posts 
I hope the courts give DeSantis his comeuppance

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By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 13:46 other posts 
that's a simple problem to solve, make DISNEY pay the back taxes and the debt they created. What the hell makes a amusement park worthy of tax exemption??
By CAT [Ignore] 08,May,22 14:04 other posts 
Disney does not owe any taxes and the taxes they do collect are used to fix the infrastructure in the property. Fire, police, hospital, roads, environmental management, water management, they get no help from the two counties they are located on or the state. Why do you think the people of those counties are upset? They enjoy the benefits the park brings to the region without having to pay taxes for that. Itís estimated that when Disney stops being independent every taxpayer in those two counties will have their taxes increase by several thousand dollars.
Phart, someone fed you a load of garbage. Donít take my word for it. Research it in the real internet.
One last word, if the state government is willing to make your business an autonomous entity and you accept, thatís on the state. Also, calling Disney an amusement park is like calling a cruise ship a row boat. I gather youíve never been to Disney.
By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 19:11 other posts 
Uh,just what else could it be? rides and such? cartoon fiqures and such.
Why would the taxes increase? Were the people living for free off the amusement park?
County water,county sewer etc,that type infastructure is supported by the entire county,not just a company and it's assets.
The only taxes that should be going up is what Disney pays,the rest of the people should have already been paying their fair share based on property values and such.
By CAT [Ignore] 08,May,22 20:15 other posts 
Phart, Disney has a whole town where families live. They have hotels, restaurants, theaters, camping areas, and miles and miles of roads. They provide their own water and have several sewer plants. You donít know what you are talking about.
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Disney World is what it looks like if you give a corporation full control over an area of land as big as San Francisco. It's worked out great for the company, which counts on the park for 14% of its $2 billion yearly earnings. And it's been a boon for Florida as well--the park turned Central Florida into an economic powerhouse and tourism destination. It's also a huge source of employment for people living in the area, with 62,000 employees at the park alone.

Does that sound like just an amusement park?
By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 22:28 other posts 
Well you just called it a park? "park turned Central Florida into an economic powerhouse "
To me it is a amusement park that employs alot of people.
I have not been there and honestly,what little I have saw of it,it might be fun for kids but adults? probably not
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 08:53 other posts 
Phart check this URL then tell me itís only for kids.

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and this is only part of the whole Disney setup. Do you really believe that if it was just an amusement park people would continue to visit every chance they get? Disney is not just an amusement park. Itís a vacation destination like Sandals, Cancun, or Las Vegas.
I agree, but why is Amazon worthy of tax exemptions?
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Or all those other big companies getting presents from your government.
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By CAT [Ignore] 08,May,22 18:57 other posts 
Iím not familiar with Amazon tax exemptions, but businesses have them
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 06:47 other posts 
It was an answer to phart's question "What the hell makes a amusement park worthy of tax exemption??"

I don't think any private business is worthy of tax exemptions.
Maybe if they spend huge amounts of their profits on solving the world's problems,
I would lower their taxes on that specific amount, but there's not a lot of companies doing that, in my opinion. So they should just pay the same rate as any small company, or they'll be unfair competition.

Right-wingers are just angry now at Disney for being 'woke',
while they used to say corporations are people and have free speech.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 08:35 other posts 
Ananas, before Disney, Orlando, Florida was a convenient gas stop for truckers going from I95 in Daytona to Tampa on the I4 road. Now, that area is a commercial power house that bring BILLIONS of tax dollars to Florida.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:12 other posts 
And that wouldn't have happened if Disney hadn't benefited from tax exemptions?
Maybe Florida gave Disney the best deals to build Disney World there and without those deals Disney World would have been built somewhere else. It's possible that Florida benefited from that, but in the end that race to the bottom between states in taxes only deprives the taxpayer as a whole.

Without that taxes competition between states, businesses like Disney World would just choose to settle in an area where the land is cheapest or where labor is cheapest. That coincides with areas that need that business the most.
States that can afford to give huge tax exemptions might not be the states who need that business the most.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:22 other posts 
Its turns out that Walt Disney created multiple fake companies (like M.T. Lott Real Estate) to buy Florida land in the 1960s. This let him acquire what is now Disney World while avoiding suspicion and keeping prices low. The stores on Main Street shop windows are the names of those original companies. Not only that but Disney used to constantly deny that he was ever in the area.
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That area was low land and mostly swamps. Once he had the land he was able to go to the state and bargain for self government. If they turned him down, he could resell the land go somewhere else. The state made a good deal.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 12:59 other posts 
OK, it was probably expensive turning swampland into an amusement-park. I do see how the state would help unlock otherwise useless land for commercial use, that could return economic growth and tax revenue.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 13:21 other posts 
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 13:46 other posts 
I'm not completely against capitalism, I just think as long as we don't have a better system than capitalism, we should at least protect it's most important principle of fair competition.
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 11:59 other posts 
NOW The truth comes out.
The fucking citizens have been getting a free ride for 55 years and now they are scared they might have to pay property taxes LIKE EVERYONE ELSE does to maintian infastructure.Boo fucking hoo.

The lawsuit filed last week by Florida taxpayers against the decision by GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis to pass a law revoking Disney's private government was dismissed by a federal judge, WESH 2 News reported.

The lawsuit accused DeSantis and other state officials of violating the constitutional rights of taxpayers, as well as the first amendment rights of Disney, by pushing through legislation designed only to punish the company after its CEO opposed the state's Parental Rights in Education law that prohibits instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade, which critics say marginalizes LGBTQ+ people.

U.S. District Court Judge Cecilia Altonaga wrote that the suit was dismissed due to the federal court's lack of standing over state issues and because the law does not go into effect until July 2023, according to the Florida Sun-Sentinel.

The litigants were worried that, due to the law, local taxpayers will now have to pay for a multitude of services, such as road maintenance and a fire department, that Disney has paid for the past 55 years, Deadline reported.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,May,22 14:15 other posts 
Now you know the truth. Disney is good for Florida CITIZENS and the state, both. DeSantis is an ass
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 15:05 other posts 
NO,the truth is a bunch of bums moved to florida to get out of paying taxes and it bit them in the ass.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,May,22 16:49 other posts 
Have it your way. Those ďbumsĒ paid taxes all along. You missed the point. Now their taxes will double or triple.
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Another thing. Taxes in many areas of Florida are way more expensive than other states. The only thing we donít tax is income, but, property taxes are one of the highest in the nation.
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My property taxes are $4750/Year and my house insurance is $6200. You really think ďsnowbirdsĒ move to Florida for the taxes? They move here because the weather averages 70 degrees year round, and even though homes are priced sky high, when they sell their home up north, they can pay cash for one in Florida or put a big downpayment and invest the left over
By dgraff [Ignore] 11,May,22 19:20 other posts 
Wow I bitch because my property taxes are all most 500 for the year and my home owner insurance is 900 a year but what gets me is Iím 60 years old and never had any children so why am I paying 900 dollars per year in school taxes if I never had kids in school or could it be for the hell I put them through when I was in school
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:00 other posts 
The sad part is Cat is not getting a damn thing better than you are dgraff for all that extra money she is paying.I can understand the high house insurance. I am surprised it is even available anywhere except loyds of London considering all the storms and such there.
By dgraff [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:24 other posts 
I wouldnít insure them to risky itís like living on a fault line in California
By CAT [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:24 other posts 
Most insurance companies are bailing out of Florida. We are with Citizens insurance. It belongs to the state and is the insurance of last resort.
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:48 other posts 
the house insurance here is 1200 a year.But it does not cover flood . But we are almost the highest point in the community. Although a flood plain is about 1500 feet away from us,it would have to rain 40 days and nights to get this far up.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 13:28 other posts 
A few years back, FedNat Insurance Company was one of the largest carriers in the state. Last year, they reported more than $103 million in net losses. Last month, they were downgraded by the rating agency Demotech.

FedNat is now dropping 68,200 policies to stay afloat, desperate to reduce their exposure in Florida. Floridaís Insurance Commissioner David Altmaier signed a consent order on Friday allowing FedNat to drop the policies.
OMG, your house insurance is $6200? I pay Ä44.86 per month
and it includes the building, the household and liability insurance.

But it also doesn't include flood, which is pretty risky in some parts
of The Netherlands. It's not even possible to get flood insurance.

In property taxes I pay $300 per year, for a house worth about 3 grand
or probably around $375,000 if I sold it today.
But with all taxes included for sewage, waste and water management,
I pay around $1440 per year.

The waste taxes are the most expensive, because around 80% of all waste is recycled. We have 3 bins for paper, plastic/metals/drink-cartons and 'green'waste. What is left goes in the bin down the street.
Water management taxes are also not cheap. Those are the expenses of the provinces to keep us from flooding and drowning, because most of us live below sea level. I'm lucky, I live exactly at sea level.
By CAT [Ignore] 13,May,22 07:37 other posts 
Insurance in the state of Florida is so screwed up, the governor called for a special session to see what can be done. Our roof is older than 15 years. Itís been inspected and found good but, no insurance company will insure it. The mortgage co. requires we have insurance. If we canít get it privately, they force us into a high price specialty insurance that costs more than twice normal insurance. A good majority of Florida home owners are in this fix.
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Taxes are levied by the county where the property is located. Miami-Dade county is one of the most expensive counties.
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One of the rules for taxing property is the starting point is the initial price you buy your home for. Then they add a whole bunch of taxes for specialty items. The county gets a big chunk. The state gets its share and the city gets its share.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,May,22 14:42 other posts 
I thought that Florida was a right-wing freedom state, with low taxes.
It sounds like you actually pay a lot, compared to my so called 'socialist paradise', which is supposed to tax me to death.

Especially if you add up all those insurances, that's crazy.
My health insurance is the most I pay: $385/month total for both of us. Then we have $35 total/month life insurance, $47/month car insurance and with what I previously noted, that's all. And my area is also the most expensive in my country.

Income taxes must be higher for us, but if you add up all the taxes, insurances and other monthly costs for living, I think we come out cheaper, below the line.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 16:38 other posts 
Sales tax is 7.5%. Car insurance for three cars is $1940/yr. We are both on Social Security and Medicare. We pay $140 each/ month for Medicare Advantage Health plans. Thereís also a good chunk of state taxes for gasoline and we use aprox. $20/month in road tolls. Not cheap.
Wow, this is interesting:
phart is defending a lefty position
CAT is defending the corporate position

What a wealthy corporation can do, when they reluctantly say something
that most of their employees and customers want to hear.

But now Disney is angry with DeSantis, because they pay him and his friends to do their bidding and now he's 'screwing' them.
By CAT [Ignore] 13,May,22 08:00 other posts 
The results are the same but the progression is wrong. The first salvo was by DeSantis. He pushed a law through the state legislature called Donít Say Gay in schools. Disneyís CEO criticized the governor for this (second salvo). DeSantis, being a petulant little boy a la Trump, immediately pushed legislation through the state legislature to strip Disney of its self governing status. It was a classic case of ďIím mad at you so Iím taking my toys and going homeĒ. It was all done in a rush (typical for this asshole governor) without regards to what the ramifications would mean for the people of those 2 counties and the surrounding areas.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 14:52 other posts 
Trumpists like Ron DeSantis, because he says populist things.
But, he is the fakest of fake populists. He's an absolute fraud.
He is super corrupt and only works for the rich, against the people.

This video from More Perfect Union shows it nicely:
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By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:28 other posts 
Five mass shootings around the US in the last four days. A national disgrace
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:48 other posts 
Yea, racism, videogame violence are big motivators.
I am hoping the media will talk more about the mental status of these people than in the past so the roots of the problem will be clearly visable.
THere has to be clues people are missing that if made public would help alot to curb these tragic situations.
Someone had to know something but kept quite
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By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 16:47 other posts 
Sounds reasonable
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 20:36 other posts 
If we could all get past the knee jurk reactions,we could curb alot of these issues.
By dgraff [Ignore] 17,May,22 06:29 other posts 
Remember back in the late 60s Charlie mansion attempted to start a race war by killing rich white people and trying to make it look like blacks did the deed another man that would not sit on his hands and do nothing when groups up rise they need stomped back in place
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But no we just sit on our hands and and give them praise for voicing their opinions and make street thugs out to be heroes
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:07 other posts 
By the late 1960s, Black Power came to represent the demand for more immediate violent action to counter American white supremacy. Most of these ideas were influenced by Malcolm X's criticism of Martin Luther King Jr.'s peaceful protest methods. The 1965 assassination of Malcolm X, coupled with the urban riots of 1964 and 1965, ignited the movement.[8] New organizations that supported Black Power philosophies ranging from the adoption of socialism by certain sects of the movement to black nationalism, including the Black Panther Party (BPP), grew to prominence.[7]

Itís funny how the mass killings of blacks is justified due to THEM not knowing their place but when THEY do it, itís an uprising
By dgraff [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:19 other posts 
Just doing my job and that is to create opposition and wind other members up
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:57 other posts 
Mountain Man,
"knee jurk reactions"? Like 'Right-wing 'news' motivates mass murders'?

The mass murderer's manifesto was largely about 'The Great Replacement' theory?

It was almost literally copied from the speech and works of TUCKER CARLSON.

His mental state was; indoctrinated with hate-filled right-wing propaganda.
Tucker has blood on his hands.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:08 other posts 
And crap for a brain
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:30 other posts 
Some are more susceptible to propaganda than others and a sharpened mind
is pretty much immune to it. Sure, this guy must have an especially weak brain,
to absorb this amount of crap. But don't think he is special for his thoughts,
he's just special for acting on them like that.

First they take away all critical thinking skills from children, by calling that CRT.
Than they can fill the brain with nonsense, because it has no immunity to it.
Then you have stupid but obedient workers and a right-wing army to your disposal.
It's not a problem that is makes some people crazy enough to kill a bunch of people, that's just helpful to their cause of divide and conquer.
By phart [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:58 other posts 
Well the lack of positive change to the immigration problem at our border does alot to enforce the so called theory of voter replacement.
I challenge these hypocrites in our government that discredit that possibility to prove otherwise. The evidence is overwhelming. BUT it does not justify murder or physical harm to anyone.It is sad that some stoop to that level.
Grab the illegals, put them on a bus and ship the hell out of here is a peaceful ,non violent solution. and finish the wall ,both physically and legally with laws and preventive measures.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 10:41 other posts 
Why does illegals equate to voter replacement? This is not a political question. Walk me through the process.
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Also, border walls of any kind donít work. Thereís always a way to get through. Donít you think interdiction is better?
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 08:55 other posts 
Yeah, letís change human nature.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 07:39 other posts 
The only real problem is that this country has huge amounts of racists. Most just hide their racist thoughts but many act on it AND WITH GUNS they can do it a lot easier.
By dgraff [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:06 other posts 
I donít hide my thoughts i voice them openly maybe thatís why I havenít snapped and used any of my thousands of guns other than at the shooting range I shoot elbow to elbow with the Pennsylvania state police in fact when I pull in they joke here come old hand cannon Graffy I work on their police cruisers I got the contract several years ago
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 09:11 other posts 
The 1st amendment is still applies as the 2nd amendment. Both of those are no good unless reason is behind them.

By phart [Ignore] 17,May,22 10:41 other posts 
IT turns out,that New York did not use it's own damn red flag laws to prevent the Buffalo shooting.
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I hope New york goes into bankruptcy paying the victims familys.
You can't make this stuff up.So many laws on the books,but without enforcement,shit keeps happening!

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