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Black lives matter or do All lives matter...༼☯﹏☯༽

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 09,Oct,20 04:17  other posts
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By #632705 11,Feb,21 21:08
All lives do matter but there is a massive racial issue in the United States. I use that because that’s where I live I know there’s issues other places. But the “All lives matter” slogan was started by whites that don’t have the balls to admit there are racist! So “all lives mater” can’t be Achieved until non white lives get equal treatment.


By up-for-it [Ignore] 05,Feb,21 12:20 other posts 
To me all lives matter; to some my life doesn't matter !


By tecsan [Ignore] 05,Feb,21 02:17 other posts 
If all your little brain can think of to do here is copy and paste...Then please do not bother with the silly crap...༼☯﹏☯༽


By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,21 08:48 other posts 
HAHAHAHAHA, the liberals get their puppet in office and they STILL AINT HAPPY!
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Portland had a chance to get their mess cleaned up back in the summer and they hated Trump so bad they turned it down.
THe rest of the country laughs as Portland burns I guess will be the new normal.
By tecsan [Ignore] 03,Feb,21 02:30 other posts 
Yes they do, now let us see how they spin the crap now...They have the potus, the senate and the house...No room for them to bitch now...Bet they find a way to blame something on the republicans or Trump down the road...You know how libs think...


By phart [Ignore] 17,Jan,21 11:19 other posts 
A distinct difference between the lady air force veteran that was shot in the capitol and the blacks shot by police is the shooter of the veteran has not been named that I can find. WHY?
When a policeman shoots a black man,his name is plastered all over the media.BUT so far,I have yet to see or hear the name of the cop that shot a unarmed WHITE woman in the name of protecting a bunch of crooked politicains.
Could it be that since she was white,there was nothing to gain by disclosing his name?


By tecsan [Ignore] 15,Jan,21 02:04 other posts 
Think ALM sounds better than blm...


By tecsan [Ignore] 12,Jan,21 02:10 other posts 
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By soulpioneer [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 04:56 other posts 
All lives matter, period.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 09:58 other posts 
So, are you supporting changes to police policy, to prevent so many innocent people
(of any color, including children) being shot by the police?

By the way, the police also shoots many dogs. Dog lives matter!
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By phart [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 12:30 other posts 
I don't support changes to police policy that will prevent or make it more difficult to do their jobs.
There should be MORE police and they should be able to work to protect the people and do it safely.This is not to say they should not be held accountable for stupid shit.BUT they have to be able to deter crime,stop crime and protect lives. Instead of shooting at cops, listen to them,you might live.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 12:42 other posts 
Isn't serving and protecting their job?
They are not protecting lives. When are they there when you need them?
If you call them, someone gets killed. It's not supposed to be like that.

The problem is; they aren't held accountable. To fix that, you need to change policy.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 15:53 other posts 
UH? Think about that statement you made.
IF I am threatened,and I call the police,apparently in most cases MY LIFE or the life of someone I care about is being threatened and could be killed.
Are you saying the crooks lives matter MORE? I know you aren't but your statement kinda leans that way a bit.
The crook has already decided for him or her self for us that their life does not matter or they would not be threatening the life or lives of others.
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 22:22 other posts 
Now that was well stated 'phart'...Better than I could have done...
There are many changes to policy that can make it easier for police to do their jobs. For instance, not sending the cops to situations that require mental health experts:
When a mother called 911, because her 13 year old son, who has autism, has run away and she specifically asks for an intervention team, they still sent the cops and the boy ends up in hospital with almost a dozen bullets in his body.
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But it would help if they train the police to know; being black is not suspicious:
A sheriff's deputy killed an unarmed black man entering his own home.
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It's not just the killing that is a problem. The police paraded an innocent woman naked through her street, when they arrested her. They were looking for a 23 year old guy with a gun and raided the wrong house. They had no reason to arrest her in the first place, but how dangerous can one woman be? They couldn't risk her putting on some clothes?
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When the police does things like that, they are allowed to obstruct investigation, without repercussions. There should be checks and balances to protect the public. Would you really like to live in a police state? Is that freedom?
By tecsan [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 04:02 other posts 
Have you ever actually done the job as a police officer...When one calls 911, there is no time to think about whom to call...Which most of what you are talking about is probably 2-3 hours delay...Walk in a peace officers shoes for one day...༼☯﹏☯༽
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 05:15 other posts 
Behind the 911 number there is a dispatcher who decides who to send. They don't send the cops if someone is having a heart attack, don't they?
So, for a 13 year old autistic boy, a man on a ledge, an angry dog, a neighbor who collects his trash inside and attracts rats, neglected horses, a crazy naked guy, etc., they can send some professionals trained for jobs other than overpowering suspects and using lethal force. That will save lives and might even save money. Most healthcare workers are cheaper than cops.

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will treat all your problems like a nail.”
By phart [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 10:35 other posts 
There is no way in hell there could be enough staff to fill all those jobs. Not enough tax money.YET.
You send out the cops,they decide what needs to be done.
Counslers would at least need to be armed
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 11:15 other posts 
No matter what changes I propose for the cops, you disagree. Well then, if you don't want to do any change, BLM will just keep protesting.
You are completely unreasonable, nothing will be done, so that will make the protests justifiable. If this escalates to whatever violence thinkable, don't look for sympathy from me. If you need to suppress that violence with counter violence and many people die, it's all because of your type. History will show how you've treated black people like shit again. Yet another shameful chapter in the history of the evil empire.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 13:34 other posts 
1 change that would be good,is to take away a mans abilty to enforce law once abuse of power is PROVEN beyond a shadow of doubt. There is always bad 1's that literaly just drive a few miles either way and get another job.
Another thing,fix the pay scale so the job pays enough to get and keep good people on the job.
Another thing, get rid of this idea of hiring cops with low to average IQ's and hire those that are smart enough to make quick adaptations to their conditions.if you don't know what I am refering to,look up on google about 1999 case of a man in new jersey turned down for a cop because his IQ was TO HIGH>
Another change that would help is not to the cops,but to the people that are not yet criminals. Teach them respect for law and order,and teach them value of life.
Then over the course of a few years,your police brutality problem would dwindle.

1 more detail,as long as BLM burns down bussiness's and cars and harrassing people,Far as I am concered,to hell with them and whatever it is they are whining about.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 16:19 other posts 
Sure teach people respect for law and order and teach them the value of life. If you didn't do that before and that's the reason for the crime in your country, sounds like a good plan.

Still, you might have a point that they don't like smart people as cops. They might start investigating the most harmful criminals, the people in power.

However there is 'some indication' that poverty and hopelessness are linked
with crime. But I'm sure you don't want to do anything about that, even if the benefits would out-way the costs and it's just the moral thing to do.

I don't know if you are a Christian, but this atheist advises you to listen to Christ more. He was quite adamant about helping the poor.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 17:06 other posts 
He was also quite adament about people helping themselves.
I can't quote it 100% but I do remember 1 preacher explaining that if people didn't work,they didn't eat.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 17:23 other posts 
Thessalonians 3:10: “For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
It's a quote by Paul the Apostle and there are so many more about helping the poor and the rich not going to heaven.

Always the same answers from you; poor people don't work hard enough. There a poor people working three jobs. People with disabilities, who can't work, are not taken care off.
I don't think Jesus would agree about how society is organized now. I think he would be a socialist if he lived in this time or when he comes back.
(of course I don't believe the coming back part, but the socialism is definitely in line with his character)
By phart [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 17:34 other posts 
Have we ever really studied how poor people got that way?
Did they have a home and a family and lost it in a hurricane?
Did they have a home and family and decide to smoke dope and drink whiskey and abuse the family members until the family fell apart and left them where the doper,drinker belongs,in the gutter?
Are they 3rd generation welfare folks that were never TAUGHT the value of work?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Dec,20 08:56 other posts 
I'm searching for balanced information about the causes for poverty. The article below is not really about that, but more on the opinions people have on that subject.
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By #551147 25,Dec,20 10:28
What's to study? Aren't Blacks the only one's "impoverished"? It Is according to Joe Biden and numerous other dingbats around here. Therefore it MUST be because of racism, duh!

You all can't even keep up with your own stupidity...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Dec,20 10:42 other posts 
Of course poverty is not all caused by racism, because a lot of white people are poor too.
However 10.1% of white people are poor and 20.8% of black people. Native Americans are doing even worse; 25.4%.
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By Strongmember# [Ignore] 29,Dec,20 08:14 other posts 
You make some good suggestions @phart You mention programs targeted at preventing criminals. This is the type of community engagement many supporters of law enforcement services re-allocation have mentioned as a positive use for some funds. You are right that some of the BLM movement's tactics have passed expiration. Now is the time for this exact type of public discussion
By tecsan [Ignore] 23,Dec,20 23:46 other posts 
Some cities will send the police to a heart attack call, especially if they are close...Most are trained in BLS...༼☯﹏☯༽
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Dec,20 04:25 other posts 
Want to bet about your last comment about healthcare workers cheaper than cops...Wow...༼☯﹏☯༽
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 24,Dec,20 10:03 other posts 
Phart it seems you are saying stupid shit should be taught at the academy. No one questions police procedure. No one questions their job is dangerous and fast paced. What I question (notice I said, "I") is why a man dies and every one assumes he was part of the Black Lives Matter movement. And why are white people so scared about Black Lives Matter movement? Right now we have the best police forces in the world. What we don't have is accountability for doing the wrong thing by cops, and this has nothing to do with regular police work. I'm all for more cops. I'd like to see every cop have a partner. The work is dangerous and two set of eyes is better than one. Except when you kill a man by putting a knee on his neck until death.
By soulpioneer [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 16:03 other posts 
I support proper training for police and a reform in protocols to ensure safety for all involved, so the police can do their job better, - use funds to enhance and train better and to weed out bad cops, etc.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 24,Dec,20 09:48 other posts 
It seems to me people care more for a dog than a human being. Since the george floyd story broke, everyone makes fun of it even though a man died. He died, not because he was going to do major mayhem, but because a rogue cop wanted to show how a black guy was not equal to a dog. Way to go Ananas2xlekker
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 05:09 other posts 
Do you think saying "Dog lives matter!" says anything negative about the value of human life? That would be the same argument of many, that saying "Black lives matter" implies that white lives are less valuable then black lives.

I made the statement "Dog lives matter!" on purpose, to see who would be triggered by it. Interesting to see it was not the same people who were very triggered by the statement "Black lives matter".
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 09:28 other posts 
Ananas. You said it to get a rise out of people that are serious about the black movement. And in this context, yes, I think stating Dog lives matter is disrespectful not so much to blacks but, to their effort to change the unequal value of life between a white person and an African-American.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 09:34 other posts 
TwoWarm, to say Black lives matter is disrespectful not only so much to white folks but to their efforts to change the unequal value of life between a black person and a white person.
ALL LIVES MATTER.
would you step in front of a black person and take their bullet because your life is worth less to them than yourself?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 09:44 other posts 
phart
Oh, wow. You've managed to turn the victim into the bad guy. What's next? The little old lady who gets her purse stolen is guilty because she was carrying a purse? Perhaps you think the perpetrators of 911 were unlucky those big buildings were in their flight path?
As far as the second part of your question is concerned, yes, I would risk my life trying to save a person from attack. But, no, only an idiot would stand in front of a bullet, willy nilly. The kind of idiot that would ask such a question.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 11:49 other posts 
I just took your statement and changed a couple words around. I don't think victums are the bad guys in 99% of cases but sometimes people do stuff that draws the bad guys out.Like wearing a mini skirt with no panties in a dark alley might draw out a rapist that ordinarly would not have noticed the person wearing normal clothes.Most attacks now adays are bullet related.
That is why people carry guns,to protect others from attack,so they don't have to put themselves in the path of a bullet,they can operate remotely with a point and clic interface system.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 13:17 other posts 
I see...........raped women ask for it.......wow, didn't that go out with thed 80's? People carry guns to show off. They twirl them, carresses them, make love to them, but, most are too chicken to use it and use it right.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Dec,20 13:56 other posts 
mess with the wrong person and you will find out they know very well how to use it.That feeble old man in the corner of a resturant that always sits facing the door,never takes his coat off, don't go back there messing with him,and don't grab a customer and try to rob or injury them,that feeble old man might draw out a 45 and fix the issue on the spot.
.Raped women are not all asking for it,but provacativeness does tend to draw the scourge out of the wood works.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 29,Dec,20 20:50 other posts 
You still misunderstand I think @phart . Previous to this movement the understanding in America has always been that white lives matter. BLM began because they felt that people did not also think their lives mattered as well. It was never intended to devalue lives of white people. It was hoped that people would begin thinking about black people as having real souls as human beings as well as white people.
By phart [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 09:42 other posts 
Just because I watch my back when I see a group of black men standing at the corner,or walking near me in a mall,does not mean I value their lives any less than my own.
Some,not all blacks tend to act violent,listen to violent music and so on,and prompt others to feel threatened and to feel like perhaps they don't care about life.It is the BLACKS that tend to devalue their own lives by their own actions.
By tecsan [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 21:31 other posts 
Now that was well said...Some tend to make they're own bed, so they can lay in it...
They could stop the intimidation tactics too, I walk by a group of blacks and they immediately start talking about me and try to act all innocent...I am sure there are cameras around filming the incident...
What other message have I ever sent that makes you believe that I am not serious about the black movement?
Know your allies and your foes.

I pointed out how many dogs are killed by the cops, because that happens mostly when they just need to enter someones backyard and there is a dog there. I've seen a video of a cop shooting a dog that was wagging its tail. Your cops are trained to kill, before taking any risk (to themselves) whatsoever.

Why do I point it out with the dogs? Because a policeman should consider all dogs innocent. There are no criminal dogs. Even if the owner is a criminal, is their dog complicit?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 28,Dec,20 08:32 other posts 
You, in my opinion, are being facetious. If you are not, let me apologise and advice you that you are off-subject. The topic is Black Lives matter. Not dogs, not cats, not the 1%'ers. I will not include you in the following as you seem to get agitated if someone suggests you are not serious about equal treatment for minorities.
Few members were serious or concerned. Most ran the gamut from "It's a terrorist organization" to "they get treated better than whites"
Some, like phart, thought we were talking about Martians and how they would take over the 2024 elections.
Contrary to local belief, I'm not a rabbid radical or civil rights nut. I just see how different people get treated differently and I don't like it. Colored or financially challanged people should get treated like anyone else . So, I bristle at the attitude of many of our members.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Dec,20 10:51 other posts 
One of the main topics of the BLM movement is police violence and how it disproportionately affects black people more. I agree that is true and I agree that discrimination is causing it to be disproportionate. Not all of that can be blamed on the discrimination by the cops, because there is systemic racism in society and the law.

A big part of the problem is that the cops are excessively violent and they are almost never held accountable. Fixing that will solve most of the problem for black people as well. For the rest of the problem you need to solve the systemic racism.

The discussion here is whether Black lives matter or ALL LIVES MATTER. My point was; that cops are trained with the attitude that NO LIVES MATTER, but their own.

The US has made it the purpose of the police to serve as a deterrent, to keep people in line and no person or animal should stand in their way, or they will be killed. In my opinion that is not freedom and shows little respect for life.
By tecsan [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 03:43 other posts 
All lives matter and sorry if you do not agree...༼☯﹏☯༽
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 10:00 other posts 
If you don't support anything to help people in the darkest of times and your principle is that anything bad happening to people is their own fault, then you show that there many lives that don't matter to YOU. That's like saying "I love you to your wife" and then treating her like garbage.
By tecsan [Ignore] 03,Jan,21 21:59 other posts 
Do what the police ask and you will have no worries...Going against them causes problems...༼☯﹏☯༽
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Dec,20 22:16 other posts 
Thanks for agreeing with me...༼☯﹏☯༽
By #551147 22,Dec,20 22:40
@ SoulPioneer,

That's such a profound statement

Good job buddy!

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By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Dec,20 22:37 other posts 
You got that right, thanks... ...
By tecsan [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 02:37 other posts 
I agree period...
By tecsan [Ignore] 01,Jan,21 02:40 other posts 


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