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Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris...Which do you feel will prevail???

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 09,Sep,20 03:45  other posts
Trump has been somewhat erratic at times...But look at Creepy sleepy uncle joe...Pence pretty clean, but not totally...Harris, now I wonder like I do with uncle joe...??? (I agree it is about 50/50 with the flaws concerning both parties)...༼☯﹏☯༽

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By strakar [Ignore] 13,May,22 20:36 other posts 
trumpanzees so damn funny. Picking their ass flinging their poop! they become aroused and perform conspicuous displays and noisy tantrums! Just canít get over the fact that their lord and master lost the election. Better start sending trump more money so you donít anger your god, your master!
By phart [Ignore] 13,May,22 20:52 other posts 
Your text just shows how childish biden supporters are and explains alot as to why our country is going down the toilet.
By sherryann [Ignore] 13,May,22 21:25 other posts 
Trump won
By phart [Ignore] 13,May,22 22:48 other posts 
Yep, the situation with dimpled chads in of all places , floriduh, prompted the dems to cheat every way they could.They felt algore won so they plotted revenge.Well revenge is a 2 edge sword.as they will find out in the coming elections.
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 08:15 other posts 
Al Gore? Are you that far behind the times?
By phart [Ignore] 15,May,22 08:11 other posts 
you mean you forgot that embarrassment to intelligence? it took a long time for people to sit there and try to decide "did they mean to punch this chad or that chad? is the chad hanging or loose or,?"

the future,which then,now would be the future,is built on the past.
By CAT [Ignore] 15,May,22 08:31 other posts 
Chad no longer on vote and if you remember, Gore graciously conceded because he didnít want to tarnish the election. Quite a difference to Clown Trump
By phart [Ignore] 15,May,22 08:34 other posts 
I think during that election it was also found that some Floridians could not read rather to push or pull a door open? I remember the cartoons being in the local papers of people pushing on doors that clearly said "Pull".
By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:18 other posts 
Thereís all levels of intelligence in the human species. Just look at how many voted to re-elect Trump and you get the idea.
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 19:20 other posts 
yea,thank God and our lucky stars some of us are not so fucking dumb as to vote for biden just to make Trump loose.Instead of actually voting for someone to fix problems.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 08:45 other posts 
Trump had four years and flubbed it. We canít predict how a new president will work out, but, we can choose him to hope he takes us down a different road. We, who donít like Trump, had four years to make up our minds about him. Who are you to tell us we canít feel that way or want a change?
By phart [Ignore] 17,May,22 10:06 other posts 
Your man sure has led us down a different road. straight to the swamp!
YOu can feel that you need a change. Of course,but you should at least choose a LOGCIAL path and not 1 directed at just removing someone.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 10:45 other posts 
Explain how that could have been accomplished given what was available to us.
By phart [Ignore] 17,May,22 21:00 other posts 
do you honestly think putin would be in ukraine now if Trump was in office? Do you think Trump would be sending American troops back to that somalia to fight a losing battle again??
Do you think our oil and gas would be where it is today. by the way,it is DOUBLE what it was this time last year.
Trump had things rolling with the economy recovering from the terrorist attack from the chinese against the whole world.
By the way,did you miss the news blurb about North Korea restarting it's nuclear power plant project?
Would Trump have sat back and done nothing?
By CAT [Ignore] 18,May,22 07:23 other posts 
Yes, yes, yes, NO, yes, yes
By phart [Ignore] 18,May,22 08:51 other posts 
By phart [Ignore] 18,May,22 12:12 other posts 
hows that 4+ a gallon gas under biden treating your bank account?
By CAT [Ignore] 18,May,22 15:11 other posts 
Better than loosing over $167,000 from my 401K under Bush Jr. Did you get your booster Clorox shot?
By phart [Ignore] 18,May,22 15:58 other posts 
No but I bet your 401 K is taking a hit now,the dow just dropped 1100 points today!
By CAT [Ignore] 18,May,22 16:57 other posts 
I cashed out my 401K and reinvested.
By phart [Ignore] 18,May,22 17:02 other posts 
What in the world did you find safe this day and age? A jar in the ground is about the only thing left that is safe! I lost 500 bucks value on my investments just since 12 noon today!
By CAT [Ignore] 18,May,22 17:13 other posts 
High yield savings account.
Al Gore did win Florida and should have won the election.
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Bush's coup through Florida succeeded. Trump's coup fortunately didn't.
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 08:13 other posts 
In a pigís eye
By tecsan [Ignore] 15,May,22 23:45 other posts 
He would have won by a greater margin if the truth about hunter would have come out then, instead of now...
By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:22 other posts 
Tecsan enough of ďHunterĒ. Not only was he not in the ballot, you are passing blame for association in a business deal. How should we have seen Trump knowing he criminally falsified his true worth to embezzle billions from banks?
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:54 other posts 
how short is your memory? Who was the "BIG GUY" that got 10% of hunters business deals? THAT is why hunter is a issue.
IF biden is innocent,the lap top deal would have been made public and would not longer be a issue. They ,as in the democrats are hiding something to keep biden from being held responsable.
Why is our border with mexico falling apart and we keep sending BILLIONS to ukraine?
By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 16:58 other posts 
As two Republican-led Senate committees already concluded, this work mostly posed a possible conflict of interest, if anything. Most critically, the committees made no finding that then-candidate Joe Biden did anything wrong when it came to pressuring Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, while he was vice president.

The right-wing suggestion that the move was to protect his son, rather than to legitimately push back on corruption in the Ukrainian government, has been proven untrue. If there were criminal activity in play, the machinery behind the Big Lie would have made it known by now ó including Trumpís former personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who was dispatched to Europe to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden, prompting Trumpís first impeachment. Thus, the Burisma connection probably wonít produce criminal charges against Hunter Biden going forward.

Enough with Hunter Biden
By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 17:40 other posts 
In a parallel universe.
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 08:13 other posts 
How short is your memory.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 19:50 other posts 
92% of pregnancies with a prenatal diagnoses of Down's Syndrome are aborted.
So, 92% of parents who are confronted with the choice between having a child with
Down's Syndrome or abortion, choose abortion.

How can that be? Aren't only between 47% to 80% people
(depending on when it was polled) pro choice?
That means a lot of people turn out to be hypocrites,
when they are confronted with such a choice.

It also means you will have many more people with Down's Syndrome.
But, who's going to notice
By phart [Ignore] 15,May,22 00:08 other posts 
So now you are going down the rabbit hole of Eugenics is ok right?? I have the Practical Eugenics book here somewhere if you need to borrow it.
I would have to find it.it is a newer edition than the 1 hitler referenced during his rule.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,May,22 07:38 other posts 
Is that Eugenics? So there was eugenics in your country for the last 70 years?
Lets restart the Nuremberg Trials again then, after it's finished with the so called
Covid-fascism of stay-at-home-orders and mask- and vaccine mandates
(which probably saved at minimum half a million lives).

Do you want all those prenatal diagnoses of birth defects grow up to be people?
Some of them won't even make it, so the women will either have a stillbirth
or the baby dies soon after birth. What a waste of a forced-incubator-female.

Your social safety net already sucks! You want people to work to survive, but you also want to create hundreds of thousands or even millions extra disabled people. What's the point of letting them be born, if you're just going to starve them to death after?

Well it saves money on prenatal diagnoses, because what's the point then.
By phart [Ignore] 15,May,22 08:09 other posts 
eugenics also has to do with preventing people with issues from reproducing in the first place and people that are to closely related as well.
Prevention is the best and cheapest cure but oh my,it violates some 1's rights so just fuck and fuck and kill the results.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,May,22 05:57 other posts 
Eugenics: The study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

Eugenics is the sterilization of men and women against their will, who are deemed biologically inferior and therefore shouldn't be allowed to procreate. This is a practice I have heard right-wingers on this site promote, when I called out ICE for doing it to immigrants.

Women or couples who make a choice for abortion, because the fetus has birth defects, is not eugenics. Many of those birth defects would not ever allow for the survival of the fetus or the baby. People with Down's Syndrome ARE mostly healthy and if people want to have them, I'm completely OK with it. But they do demand more care from parents. If parents are not in the right position to give that care, the children with Down's Syndrome will burden the state. And Republicans are not in any way planning or even prepared to provide extra money for the already underfunded 'special' children care in your country.
By tecsan [Ignore] 15,May,22 23:47 other posts 
But pro life saves lives...Come on and grow up and quit using democrap BS...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,May,22 06:11 other posts 
Stop using crap arguments, from Christian extremists.

For every 'live saved' anther life will be lost, because women will have illegal abortions, just like in every country happened before they legalized abortion.

You know next on the list is contraceptives. They might make an exception only for MARRIED couples. In other words; the state will only allow sex for married people.
That's a Christian value. Do you support that idea?

I've also heard that if a woman gets pregnant, the 'father' should be forced to care for the child and the woman. Does that sound like FREEDOM to you?

The US is becoming a theocratic autocracy and you are doing that.


Image from some right-winger supporting a Christian extremist idea:

(The fact that he whispers it shows me he's full of shit, the girl is on her own)
(he will leave the pregnant girl for a guy, because he's obviously very gay)
By tecsan [Ignore] 17,May,22 00:32 other posts 
That is there right to have illegal crap done to their body if you say so...I do not agree with it and most republicans do not either and if caught the asshole should spend the rest of his life behind bars or in my opinion should get the injection of a lifetime...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 18,May,22 12:49 other posts 
It's the first time I've heard you or phart speak out against banning contraceptives.
But you will probably change your mind, when Republicans start to really fight it.

Do you see the troublesome combination of banning abortion AND contraceptives?

You're talking about the leaker again right? Did you know clerks on the supreme court never have to sign confidentiality agreements? It's just norms and values, nothing more. The leaker, who ever it is, has not disobeyed any laws or agreements. It's up to their own righteousness. Telling on corrupt judges,
breaking their oaths is righteous.

Did you know supreme court judge nominees are sworn in before their
confirmation hearings? Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch clearly lied during
their confirmation hearings. Amy Coney Barrett didn't answer, but she also didn't say she was going to take actions against abortion. That is also not "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God".
In any case a much worse offense than leaking. But you probably don't think they should spend the rest of their life behind bars or get the injection of a lifetime...
If there is a god, he will punish them for lying under his name. Damn them!
By tecsan [Ignore] 16,May,22 01:12 other posts 
You really think there are people out there that would not adopt an infant with trisomy 21...Come on, get real...You libs are looking for an easy way out...Have the baby and leave him/her in a safe place...I know you have a problem distinguishing between male/female...We do not care about that...Oh have it in a County hospital and simply do not pay the bill, before you bring up money to compare a life to money...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,May,22 06:58 other posts 
"You really think there are people out there that would not adopt an infant with trisomy 21...Come on, get real..."
YES, I don't think the adoption system will succeed in finding adoption parents for the around 700 children/year with trisomy 21 that are currently aborted each year.
But, 'fetal health problems' are the reason for 3% of abortions, that's 21,000 per year.

In 4% 'Physical health problems' of the woman is the reason. They can die,
because you want to eliminate the choice to protect their health and life.

Raising a child costs money and time (time = money). So yes, it's a money issue.
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23% Can't AFFORD a baby = MONEY!!!
25% Not ready for a child - - - probably because of money
4% Would interfere with education or career = MONEY
7% Not mature enough to raise a child (could be rich kids. Do you think so?)

How will the 23% who can't afford a baby manage to afford it? Work harder?
With a baby? Another baby growing up with no one around to raise it.
25% is not ready. Why? Very likely they want to increase their quality of life to a point that they think is required to raise a child. Sounds like also a money issue.

Why do you think BBB contained plans to improve child care? Because it sucks!
Having cheaper and better child care would help reduce abortions.
But you don't want to help parents raise kids, you want to force people to be parents.

As of March, close to two-thirds, or 64%, of the U.S. population was living paycheck to paycheck, just shy of the high of 65% in 2020. It's right-wing politics that created that situation for American working people and right-wing politics eliminating abortion will hurt those working people even more. That will hurt the economy (and eventually you too).

People being forced to be parents, when they don't have the money, will cost lives
and suffering. You will either have to pay more taxes to compensate for all the misery you are causing or it will cost even more lives.

Right-wingers banning abortion is NOT pro-life, it will destroy lives!
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 19:26 other posts 
Banning abortion is not going to destroy lives.
People just need to act responsibly the problem would just dwindle to a rain drop of what it is now.
Why is it you can't support prevention with the same gusto you support killing babies ,basically for you just admitted is a simple MONEY issue?
By CAT [Ignore] 16,May,22 18:02 other posts 
I really believe that children with trisomy 21 would have a very hard time getting adopted. I worked in a very, very large hospital for many years. I was well known to the 3000+ employees. When my daughter found out her future daughter, my future granddaughter was going to be severely disabled and probably short lived, everyone advised my daughter to abort. Not just the doctors, specialist and nurses directly involved with her case, but everyone else too. The news got out, and while specifics where not public, word of mouth did make the hospital rounds. Not one advised to keep it. My daughter carried full term knowing full well that her life would be dedicated to taking care of her daughter and that the heartbreak of loosing a child would sooner or later visit her. My granddaughter is 25 and all that time she has been in a wheelchair, unable to do more than smile. She has the mental ability of a 4 month old baby. Sheís severely deformed and has to be fed through a tube in her abdomen. Sheís in pain all the time.
Yeah, Phart, tell me how noble it is. All that suffering for what? Tell me how my granddaughter would have been adopted if she had been put up for adoption.
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 19:15 other posts 
You are the catholic here, your religion does not condone abortion, or at least didn't until it became "cool" to kill.
Yes there is alot of suffering and yes, it is easy to wimp out of life's challenges.
Let me ask you a question. Elon Musk, a entrepreneur, is working on technology right now that could give your granddaughter a chance to communicate. Why not inquire if she can become a part of this trial? THEN you might see or hear or read, what your granddaughters purpose in life is .If you can get past the atheist and their noise about life just being a chance and a fairy fart, and believe we are all here for a purpose.
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The official teachings of the Catholic Church oppose all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

Catholic Church and abortion - Wikipedia

Who are you and me to question a life's value? We are no one to choose ,we are not qualified. nor is anyone in our government or justice system.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 08:23 other posts 
Iím Russian Orthodox Catholic because of a family tradition at birth. Like most people, this becomes more of a group identity than a religious thing. I donít think thereís a religion in existence that believes abortion is okay. There are many religious followers that will not cross that line. But that doesnít mean we have to accept religious dogma hook line and sinker. I donít believe the Virgin Mary had an immaculate conception. I donít believe Moses parted the Red Sea. I donít believe that babies that die before being baptized cannot reach the Kingdom of Christ.
What I do believe is that a woman, any woman, is a life that has value and should be able to decide ( within reason) what to subject her body to.
By tecsan [Ignore] 18,May,22 00:57 other posts 
I agree with most of what you said...I also have to make a comment on what you stated about your grand daughter...I bet you love her and help your daughter all you can with her as a mother and grand ma would do...I have been put into similar situations...Help your daughter and loving grand daughter all you can and put your heart into it...The only question I ask is how old is your grand daughter, only share if you want or tell me to go to hell...
By CAT [Ignore] 18,May,22 06:45 other posts 
She is 25 and sheís very much loved.
By CAT [Ignore] 17,May,22 08:39 other posts 
Phart, my granddaughter has the equivalent mental capacity of a four month baby. Neither Musk nor anyone else can change that.
By phart [Ignore] 17,May,22 10:11 other posts 
Really? And you are qualified to answer that?
I can't sit here and tell you a miracle will suddenly change things for your grand daughter. I wish I could.
BUT I will say this, I have never met your daughter .But she is a brave woman that took the responsibility of being a mother seriously and understands the value of life apparently more than most everyone. I admire her strength and you should be proud of your daughter.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 18,May,22 14:45 other posts 
And you want to eliminate that braveness by making it mandatory.
No choice anymore, just get forced and then try to cope with it.

And who's going to help them fix their life, when people can't cope?
No one, because you would then blame them for that 'failure' too.


By tecsan [Ignore] 04,May,22 03:30 other posts 
Was the leak right...I think not it is a ploy by the the left I believe...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,May,22 10:30 other posts 
It's probably not a 'pro-life' right-winger who leaked it.

Funny how you are all outraged how someone leaked it.
You are probably not outraged over Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett all lying about Roe v. Wade, either being important precedent or settled law, during their confirmation hearings and other times.

ĎPrecedent,í in the world of the Supreme Court, describes a decision of such importance that the court will be very reluctant to overturn it.

But it might turn our to be positive for the midterms. They have just given a majority
of the voters a good reason to vote for the Democrats again.
By phart [Ignore] 06,May,22 12:56 other posts 
"They have just given a majority
of the voters a good reason to vote for the Democrats again"
that is the leakers goal.It is quite obvious who would "gain" anything by leaking that document.
That person SHOULD be aborted. Slid into a tight sleeping bag full of jello and then torn out piece by piece without pain releiver of any sort and DIE like the babies they so hate.
By CAT [Ignore] 06,May,22 13:22 other posts 
Are you jealous, Phart? Well, Iím glad there was a leak so, us, normal people can counter act it. Abortion is a womanís right ONLY.
The process of the suppress court should just be transparent.
Or do they have something to hide?

Your high court is very undemocratic. Why can the just work on something they personally think is important, without it having been submitted to them?

The Dutch high court is transparent and they only work on cases that have been submitted to them. They are also absolutely apolitical and neutral.
By phart [Ignore] 06,May,22 17:48 other posts 
It is a court of constitutional law. Not a circus on cspan.
When a case gets screwed up in the lower courts, the supreme court is the last stand, the last chance at justice.
The leaker is a low life scum bag that should be exposed and aborted by the street methods.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 17:35 other posts 
Unless you think they would have kept it quiet till after the midterms, your side might have an advantage from it being leaked now. People have short attention spans and bad memories when it comes to politics. Republicans would have a harder time when the midterms were in two weeks, but November is a long time for Democrats to keep the hype active. Democrats suck at messaging and strategy. Hell, have you even seen anything strong coming from them at all?

So your conclusion that the leaker was on the Democratic side is speculation at best. There's a good chance Republicans picked this time to leak it, because they know what I just told you. I think Republican politicians are all evil sociopaths, but they are tough fighters and great strategists (well the ones who run the show, Trump and some of the new ones that adore him are absolute morons).
By tecsan [Ignore] 07,May,22 00:27 other posts 
Kind of hope you are wrong, but hey do not think I want to suppress voters...Think there will be a big upset with libs in November...Hell, brandon cannot even remember his on daughter or grandchild without prompting from Jill...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,May,22 07:27 other posts 
This action by the Supreme Court IS suppressing voters.
The Democrats have majorities in the senate and the house.
Only 11% of Democratic voters want Roe v. Wade reversed.
Even only 53% of Republican voters want Roe v. Wade reversed.
When Republicans put in unqualified ideologues in the Supreme Court,
voters get screwed.

Biden's mental state is not what voters care about. They have seen him being much more confused before the election and they still voted for him.

Voters see now that democracy doesn't give them what they want, when Democrats relinquish power to the Senate Parliamentarian and when Supreme Court judges can overturn law that has been in place for 50 years and has large majority voter support.
By tecsan [Ignore] 08,May,22 00:25 other posts 
Really show me proof of biden's decline before the election...It was much more subtle...Dementia works over time...But you threw out some statistics there, but you left one out like the libturds always do, over half of this Country does not support abortion...(You know there are many democrats in there as well)...I am sure you can find that number and have probably seen it...I really want to know where you stand with abortion and especially late term abortion???I have actually witnessed many of these, have you???Libturds just think out of sight then out of mind...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,May,22 18:39 other posts 
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This is his latest speech. He's doing OK. Not great, but better than some of his speeches in 2020.
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Where do you get your data? 69% of Americans support abortion rights.
Are you only counting Republicans as Americans?

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By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 19:14 other posts 
"He's doing OK" Uh can you say OD'd on Seroquel?
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,May,22 01:18 other posts 
Look it up again, are you getting statistics from cnn or bsnbc???If so you are watching two of the lowest rated networks here...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 16:27 other posts 
Google "abortion support us" and see for yourself.
Do you think Forbes is lefty media? It's at least right leaning.
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Broad support for abortion rights: Gallup polls show Americansí support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021, only sightly higher than in 1975 (76%), and the Pew Research Center finds 59% of adults believe abortion should be legal, compared to 60% in 1995óthough there has been fluctuation, with support dropping to a low of 47% in 2009.

The highest poll showed 80% in May 2021.
The lowest was in 2009 (13 years ago): 47%
Your position is the minority position. People consider it FREEDOM!

Next on the list for the 'pro-life' movement is banning contraceptives.
They are already discussing it in many red states. Are you OK with that?
My opinion:
- Up to 11 weeks a woman should just be able to request an abor*tion pill from her general practitioner.
- From 12 until 24 weeks, abor*tion should be legal, but in special clinics and with a discussion about alternatives like adoption.
- From week 20, the fetus should be sedated during abor*tion.
- In week 25 and 26, abor*tion should be illegal, unless the life of the woman is in danger. The fet*us has not enough chance to survive and become a healthy child on its own. Only try to save the baby if it has a chance of a good life.
- After week 26, abortion (termi*nating the fet*us) should be illegal, but if the life of the woman is in danger, birth should be induced and the prema*ture baby then has a 70% chance of survival.

Have you really witnessed late term abor*tion? Because what came out is that 'pro-life' action groups are spreading fa*ke videos of abor*tions, made intentionally grue*some. That is nasty propa*ganda. It doesn't happen like that, unless you make abor*tion illegal and force desperate women to rely on amateurs or con*men.

(yep it worked with all the **)
By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 19:16 other posts 
There is not much of a way of making removing a baby from the womb look anything BUT gruesome.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 16:33 other posts 
By that metric, birth is gruesome. The videos they show you are fake.
It's part of the propaganda they have been spreading for the last 50 years.

As I remember you are not religious, but they still infected you with their bullshit.
The only reason is to control women, to make babies for their wars.
The purpose of religion is servitude. Break yourself free from their chains!
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 08:24 other posts 
Tecsan, you are wrong. More than 66% of Americans want Roe v Wade to continue.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,May,22 22:21 other posts 
That may be right, depending on what poll you are looking at...I hope it is overturned though and let each state show their true colors...I think it will since it was wrong in the first place 'in my opinion' and several others as well...
By CAT [Ignore] 10,May,22 07:48 other posts 
What poll? Are you blind? Who needs a poll? But, for people like you, there are many, non-partisan pollsters that reached the same numbers. I respect your opinion that the original 1972 outcome may have been wrong, but, in the past 50 years, thereís been many attempts to overturn it, including cases heard by SCOTUS AND nothing changed. Why now?
The actual premise that a woman has a right to dictate what happens to her body, court or no court, is the correct one.
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,May,22 23:00 other posts 
Do you really think if roe v wade is overturned that abortion will be banned...You probably live in a state that will allow it...Hell, I live in a state that will probably stop it after 15 weeks......As for the other cases if a guy and a gal copulate without protection then they should consider that may cause a pregnancy...What the hell did that unborn child ever do to anyone that makes them want to kill it...Had to edit the above because of rules here...There are certain considerations that I agree with it but in two of them you know it happened and you could take what you refer to as the morning after pills...Of course if the mother will die without an abortion then I am all for it...
By CAT [Ignore] 11,May,22 07:21 other posts 
Some states? What, some women are SOL? And why are you calling it a child? I believe that 15 weeks is too long. I believe the time frame should be 12 weeks. Until then, the fetus is a blob of cells but not a sentient being. I guess you also missed that some of the proposed state laws, the morning after pill is outlawed too. These religious ultra right will soon go after masturbation while all the time they molest altar boys and cheat on their wives.
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:54 other posts 
It all goes back to the simple fact abortion is 99% preventable.
Zippers closed, pants up or CONDOMS ON and PILLS DOWN THE THROAT or a SHOT IN THE ASS.
People have to drink responsibly or experience the consequences ,why can't they fuck responsibly!
People have to drive responsibly or hurt someone or themselves, why not fuck responsibly ? r
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,May,22 04:31 other posts 
Republicans want to ban CONDOMS and PILLS too. You know it's next.
Zippers closed? Really? FREEDOM obviously doesn't include sex.

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You don't need guns either. Having to defend yourself is 99% preventable.

Your right to own guns is causing mass murders, accidents and rushes people's suicide. Those are all preventable deaths, if you didn't own guns.

There's justification to restrict that right in the second amendment itself,
you are not a 'well regulated militia'.

How would you feel if they take away your right to own guns?
You would start a fucking civil war over it, I'm sure.
By tecsan [Ignore] 12,May,22 23:54 other posts 
Damn right...I have never in my life seen a gun kill anyone, I wonder have you...It takes a pull of the trigger...Enforce the laws we have now...Focus more on illegal guns would be better do you not think...You democrats all think the same...Think you know what state I live in and I open carry every time I leave the house...Hmmm, maybe that is why crime is down in my state an not little NY or Cali...I am sorry to say this but you are funny as hell like the old bitches on the view and BSNBC...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 07:14 other posts 
You didn't react to Republicans wanting to ban CONDOMS and PILLS too.
Why don't you react to that? You forced me to react to the term 'becoming'.

But it shows that you care about your rights (even though it causes danger for Democrats too), but you want to destroy right that a majority of America (mostly Democrats) care about, even though Republicans are not affected by it at all. ('affected' doesn't mean crying crocodile tears)

No, I have never seen a gun kill anyone with my own eyes. I live in The Netherlands. I've only seen guns on cops and on a shooting range. I've never seen anyone dying at all, while there are accidents and murders every day. That's a nonsensical argument. The news is full of people getting killed in the US, mostly with guns. I did believe you when you said all lives matter, but not enough to solve any causes for people getting killed or harmed.

The gun rights thing would limit a right you have now. I understand. You now have the right to protect yourself and kill someone in the process. Do you understand the same about abortion, at least? A woman now has the right to protect herself from bodily harm, very high hospital costs and diminished ability to work for a living, by ending HER pregnancy. You want to take that right away.

Your right kills conscious, thinking and feeling independently living human beings. And their is no evidence it has ever protected any life. A woman's right to choose kills at most a human being (I'm not lying, by my standard it is a human being, just not a complete one) that has no thoughts or feelings or consciousness yet and cannot survive outside of the womb by itself (by definition it is a parasite).

It is immediately clear that in your country the ability to work is vital for a person's life and even survival. There are people dying on the streets in the US. And there are 45,000 people dying from lack of healthcare every year in the US, because they cannot afford it. Your argument is that they should work for it, but banning abortion is going to make that impossible for lots of women who would have otherwise have had an abortion. If you don't want them to work, pay them not to and to take care of the kid.

You go through tremendous effort to bend the truth, but your right to
own guns harms people and banning the right to abortion will hurt women.
It's just a selfish power-grab.
By tecsan [Ignore] 15,May,22 01:40 other posts 
I had to stop reading after the second paragraph...I am not here to read a mini novel...We will see how America believes after about six months...Then preach...If you believe all lives matter then how is blm valid...???Abortion...Hell I am not calling for an end, just that we think like B. Clinton...Come on, that was ignorant of you to say...As for guns protecting yes they do protect, trust me so ask me how I know this someday...People dying in the streets are mostly in democrat states or democrat controlled mayor cities or even dumb ass DAs like gascon...If I am not mistaken, I think we do pay women and men as well not to work...You keep trying to bend the damn truth...Ok, so I went back and read some of your mini novel of crap...You can not play J. Psaki with me, keep spinning the crap all you want...
By phart [Ignore] 13,May,22 20:20 other posts 
Having a penis does not mean I have 17 kids running around.
Having a gun does not mean there are 17 dead people laying around. That is because I have used them both in a responsible manner.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 07:37 other posts 
You might be responsible, but your right to own guns kills people.

But actually I do think you are the type of person who would shoot a black man, coming out of the neighbor's house with a MacBook in his hands,
at 22:00 in the evening, for thinking he is a robber.
(Sorry, he just bought it on Craigslist)

Why do I think that? Because you've defended similar killings.

And when Republicans will also ban contraceptives?
Maybe you don't want to have sex anymore, but are you really
going to claim that sex is only meant for procreation?
Because then you really have become the American Taliban.
By CAT [Ignore] 12,May,22 08:09 other posts 
People have to drink responsibly or experience the consequences ,why can't they fuck responsibly!

Or what? Experience the consequences? Abortion can be outlawed but it can never be prevented.
By tecsan [Ignore] 11,May,22 22:28 other posts 
See, you and I do agree on something...I agree with you 12 weeks...I only stated that because I think that is what most red states will go with...After the first trimester then the child needs to be given a chance...Thanks for correcting the 15 week thing...I agree with you...In the first trimester it is actually an embryo I believe...I just bought this at a local CVS Levonorgestrel...I have never heard of progesterone being outlawed...You might want to research Levonorgestrel...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 07:59 other posts 
I'm glad that YOU agree with some weeks, but most red states will go
for a COMPLETE BAN! Wanna bet?

And at least 5 states will go for criminalizing abortion, even if a woman
had it out of state. (but they will only enforce it for regular people and
not for rich people, eliminating a mistake with their mistress)

My girlfriend has used Levonorgestrel/Ethinylestradiol, it's anti-conception. She had side effects from it. Now she's using Ethinylestradiol/Desogestrel
and she even has benefits from it, compared to no anti-conception at all
(which we have tried for several months)

Progesterone is not anti-conception, it's a steroid hormone that stimulates the uterus to prepare for pregnancy, for women who have a deficiency, to prevent miscarriage. I've never heard of progesterone being outlawed either.

I have heard from Republican planning to ban anti-conception and they will not be specific. Some idiots even want to ban condoms. I don't believe in it, but THEY SHOULD BURN IN HELL!
Well it doesn't matter what people think and democracy is fucked,
because this is just decided by some corrupt assholes Trump put in
and who are not accountable to anyone. The US is a dictatorship now.

This is the first time that human rights have been overturned in the US
and it will not be the last.

What will be canceled next, gay marriage or contraceptives?

Maybe the age of consent, because they're all fucking p*e*d*o*s.
That's why they don't want sexual education in school, they prefer them young, innocent and vulnerable, so they have power over them, because in actuality
they are pathetic, insecure, little bitches, who are lusting over their daughters.
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,May,22 23:21 other posts 
You sound like maxine waters and that pocahontas bitch...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,22 07:50 other posts 
So?
By phart [Ignore] 11,May,22 21:57 other posts 
You don't want to be in any way associated with that arrogant bitch. she is lower than whale shit. Where was the coat hanger before she was born? 1 coat hanger could have prevented her from happening.

maybe that is a good way to eliminate liberals, abort them all and the subsidiary of the human race known as democrats would fizzle away
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,May,22 07:44 other posts 
The reason you picked these women is because Trump called them stupid.
Trump just hates them, because they are women and criticized his dumbest ideas and because they are smarter than him and most other Republicans.
I would be surprised if you ever even listened to a word they said.

You call them lower than whale shit, but it's likely without the efforts of these women, you would be living on the streets or not living period. Republicans don't give a damn about you, but you just picked two women who spend their careers protecting the public from the greed and inhumanity of banks and corporations. Because of them, a consumer or an employee still has some chance to win in court against a company that is trying to crush them.
Wasn't that applicable to you?

There are lots of arrogant bitches on your side, actually many more.
And they don't have reason to be arrogant, because they're all dumb as dirt.
A few examples:
- Marjorie Taylor Greene
- Ann Coulter
- Lauren Boebert
- Michele Bachmann
- Sarah Palin

But Republicans have STUPID MALE BITCHES too. I call them bitches,
because they cry like little girls, when their stupid bullshit gets destroyed
by Democrats and they display general stupid bitch behavior.
- Madison Cawthorn (even too stupid for Republicans)
- Matt Gaetz
- Louie Gohmert
- Lindsey Graham
- Ted Cruz (on the list for record arrogance, while being a massive cuck)
- Paul Gosar (1 of 3 to vote against pro-Ukraine measure)
- Kevin McCarthy (believes every conspiracy theory ever thought up)
- Ron Johnson ("Mouthwash Kills COVID." In your lungs?)

But don't forget the dumbest and biggest cry baby of them all: Trump.
By phart [Ignore] 14,May,22 07:23 other posts 
I mentioned that pocohontas bitch woman because she flat out lied about being a indian and then found to be .01%? Flat out lied.I wonder what else she lies about.
Yea wack jobs on all sides but there are some women democrats that are a danger to America.
as for ukraine,I am starting to reconsider all the MONEY and WEAPONS we are sending them because now OUR STOCK PILE is getting low. what the fuck will we protect ourselves with????
here is you a LIBERAL news source to read about it from.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 08:55 other posts 
Warren identified as "American Indian" on a registration card for the State Bar of Texas in 1986. She said she was told she had native descent and she was proud of that. At that point there were no DNA tests.
Lying (presumably) 36 years ago is your reason for hating her so much?
Because Republican politicians have always been honest?
No, of course not, it's just a stupid reason for you being partisan.

Elizabeth Warren has spend her career protecting the public from the greed and inhumanity of banks and big companies. No Republican ever does anything like that. You won a lawsuit against your employer, am I right? Trump has put in hundreds of 'beautiful conservative judges'. You know you would have lost your case with one of them, because they are 100% biased pro-business, against people. Well, lots of other people will face the same injustice. Maybe you'll learn if you ever need justice (again).

I know more about any of the names I listed, than you know about Maxine Waters and Elizabeth Warren together. And I don't even live in the US.
Those Republicans are making such a horrible impact on the world, that people know their names in Europe. There is not a lot of Democrats we know in Europe, because they are not as horrible. Some are even decent people.

If war breaks out between the US and Russia, do you think you'll need
the kind of weapons used in Ukraine to protect yourselves with?
Or do you have other enemies in sight right now?
The US doesn't need anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons to fight Taliban or Al-Qaeda. That's what fighter-jets, bombers and tanks are for and Ukraine didn't get those. At best the overlap is in drones. I'm sure Northrop Grumman is working overtime to make them for you.

Liberal news loves warmongering. It gives them great ratings.
They parrot everything dictated to them by the CIA.
Anderson Cooper has actually worked for the CIA. (2 summers as an intern but still, they like those people and give them a platform to lie on all the time)
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By phart [Ignore] 14,May,22 10:30 other posts 
Sorry,I lost my case with the feds,UNDER OBAMA
The funny part was,when I first hired the lawyer ,he was suggesting I get some financial advise on how to invest my settlement.As time went by, and things finalized, "Take your money and HIDE IT" was his advice.Again,UNDER OBAMA

BEfore obama,if you were hurt and filed for social security disability, and you qualified, you were given back pay to the date of your disability starting. His big ideas REMOVED THAT.
So if you got hurt,and you had a mortage,car payments and what not,you would be at a loss,and no way to recoup.
All so NON working assholes could get a piece of a pie they never bought eggs and fillings for.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 17:35 other posts 
What did you get a settlement for than? Are you now still just living on the money from when you filed for social security disability up to the point you lost the case?
Or does the government at least provide you some safety net?

Obama did shit all for people. I said these two women did. They are progressives, Obama was and still is a corporate centrist. He schemed hard against Bernie Sanders, just like the rest of the Democratic party. Elizabeth Warren screwed Bernie too, so I don't adore her, but her previous record cannot be overlooked. That's the difference between the left and the right, the left looks at people's accomplishments and transgressions as a whole, the right writes people off immediately, for ever, for the slightest. Look at what happened with Mike Pence. Loyal as a dog to Trump, but he couldn't do that one thing, so 'Hang Mike Pence'.

You seem to have a justification for why you losing your case is the Democrats fault, but there is no way for me to check or contradict that.
But you can be sure all those beautiful conservative judges Trump put in would screw you. The supreme court judges he put in, as far as having a record at all, have a record of judging against people and pro-corporations. They would see you as a NON working asshole, especially after you lost the case against your employer. Like you have no sympathy for anyone not working, whatever the reason, they would have no sympathy for you. Sometimes you need a judge with sympathy. If you want a judge to be on your side over your employer, it needs to be a progressive one. And I think you realize that, but a right-winger never surrenders. Unlike liberals, progressives don't surrender either, but I do acknowledge when I'm wrong. That doesn't fear me, I'll just learn from it.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 11,May,22 01:42 other posts 
true.. democracy is maybe not the best system.. but so far i believe all human attempts at leadership systems have failed us.. and fuck no would i hand over power to the majority of this room lol
By tecsan [Ignore] 11,May,22 02:06 other posts 
I never thought of it that way, but you are so damn right...I admit I have had some thoughts along those lines watching some movies, but fuck you nailed it...
Maybe democracy is not the best leadership system possible, but I think it's the best humanity has ever tried. If you don't think so, what leadership system do you think is/was better and in what way?
By CAT [Ignore] 12,May,22 08:02 other posts 
All forms of leadership have to have some compromising. Everyone is different and all must be taken care of.
By Dev01 [Ignore] 13,May,22 00:07 other posts 
Anna's Australia is apparently a democracy.. so why is it compulsory to vote? Next question what is your take on democracy?

And for the record regardless of having a Mac or Windows they are watching. Is that democracy?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,May,22 08:24 other posts 
There's not a lot of democracies who have mandatory/compulsory voting.
We don't have it and considering the character of Dutch people,
I think it wouldn't turn out positive if we forced them all to vote.

I favor our parliamentary representative democracy, even though politics has shifted hard to the right the past decades.
We have 16 political parties represented in the House of Representatives, 13 in the Senate and 9 in the European Parliament. The biggest party will almost always provide the prime minister, but it's not a law. The biggest party also starts negotiations to form a coalition for the next 4 years. That doesn't go to well and quickly these days. It was the longest cabinet formation ever and took 271 days. Shameful, but fortunately we didn't break Belgium's record of 541 days.
So those are the downsides. The upside is that our politics less divided than in the US, with their winner-takes all two-party system. And ours is more stable, it doesn't turn over everything the other side has 'achieved', as soon as the other side wins. Compromises are much more stable here. The new cabinet 'improves' on the work of the previous cabinet, even in big changes of the electorate.

The fact that you are spied on is a result of people voting for the parties that prefer that. In our politics, privacy is mostly a left leaning issue. The right-wing argues we need it to fight terrorism, but then they use it to spy on poor people to see if they 'commit fraud' with the child tax credit system and than ruin the lives of 30,000 families that have supposedly made a mistake. Or thy spy on disabled people, to see they don't get financial aid from family outside of their allowance. People have been punished over groceries.
Meanwhile big companies evade Ä359 billion in taxes through The Netherlands.

In democracy you get what the people are voting for. Unfortunately people are not the most informed voters and the media plays a big part in that. People are tricked into voting for tax-cuts for billionaires and corporations, that screw small businesses, employees, low- and middle-income earners and therefore in most cases themselves. On top of that they vote for selfish ideas that also only end up hurting everyone.

Now if we could trust a great leader to be wise and good for everyone, that would be a better system. Unfortunately there are no such leaders. There never was one and there will never be one. So in my opinion democracy is the best system.

But, if anyone wants to argue for another system, than which one?
There are 7 Types of Governments:
- Democracy
- Dictatorship
- Monarchy
- Theocracy
- Totalitarian
- Republic
- Anarchy

I implied earlier that the US was a democracy, but it's more accurately defined
as a constitutional federal republic. (but I would call the US a kleptocracy)
By Dev01 [Ignore] 13,May,22 09:46 other posts 
Thanks but it's Friday night here. Will resume conference Monday
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 08:11 other posts 
I would like to see compulsory voting at least in the major elections. It would be more representative of the will of the people.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 09:44 other posts 
Part of me would say yes, but some people are just not in any way informed. Those are the people that think our prime minister is doing well, because they
see him smile and joke and say something everyone agrees with on the news
in 30 seconds. I like him personally too, but I understand how his policies and
his management have created suffering of people being crushed by the system
in our country.

If people can't be bothered to to vote, in these times, in The Netherlands, where
it takes only a few minutes, I don't want to force them. It's a right, not a demand.
It wouldn't be representative of anything. I know Dutch people who would vote intentionally for the worst candidate, just to say "Fuck you for forcing me!".
There are already many people voting for several 'Fuck you!' parties.
I understand their frustration, but they're just fucking themselves the hardest.

Also people should be allowed to not vote, out of protest, if they are or feel
not represented. Turnout in North Korea is near 100%. Do you think they all
are and feel represented there, by one 'party'?

If you want to make people vote, give them the day off and make voting quick
and easy and have well regulated debates beforehand.

But you never get it to pass anyway, because Republicans know it would screw them hard. Republicans want to restrict as many voters as possible. And they also don't want to inform the voters, which you need for that system. You know they've pulled themselves out of the debates (because they ask questions and demand answers based on facts and do some minimal fact checking).
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 11:39 other posts 
I know it would not pass. Democrats donít have enough votes, but, that could change. Your argument that some people may not be sufficiently informed sound a lot like, ďIím superior to you in intellect and intelligence so let me decide who governs us.Ē Not good, Ananas.

If you want to make people vote, give them the day off and make voting quick
and easy and have well regulated debates beforehand. Iím all for that. I also would like to see a system where a voter could recuse himself from voting by a simple mail-in or internet notice to the election office IN ADVANCE.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 15:37 other posts 
Well, sorry for sounding elitist, but I don't claim people are dumb, I claim they are uninformed, because they are not interested in the topic.

How about if we forced all people to vote on which medical treatments are used for certain types of cancer? Doctors would provide medical information in layman's terms, so an education wouldn't be required. It would just take the voters time to study the issue, to make an informed decision. Are you going to force them to vote for the medicine, when they couldn't study the information, because they work 50 hours a week, with 2 hours travel per day and they come home to three children? If they themselves are not feeling confident to vote or they think "Who cares either way, medicine for cancer is snake-oil!", do you want to force them to vote for such decisions?

People being uninformed is in line with what friends and family in law tells me. My mother in law tells me she doesn't even want to think about it. My girlfriend's nephew says "I have two kids and I'm working my ass off. I have no time to inform myself on politics and I also don't think voting does anything.".
My best friend did want to vote, but he said that he didn't understand any of all the hypes. He asked what happened to all those parents who are in trouble with the government. I tried to explain him as neutral as I could and I saw he didn't believe why the government just not fixed it for them. I couldn't answer that other than "Money..., reputation..., imaging..., people need discipline...".
However, I helped him fill in the vote advisor. I didn't tell him what to answer, I just explained the questions. But there were also questions like "Do you want more or less money to go to ....". He said he couldn't answer those questions, because he doesn't know how much money goes to those subjects now and whether it's enough to do the job right. He doesn't watch the news or reads news papers, but when I asked him questions on the subject like "Do you think the subject is important?" and "Have you heard of problems surrounding those subjects?" that he did know things, but he just didn't make a connection with the political subject questioned. Eventually he did manage to complete the questionnaire and he got a result. He was even to the left of me, which I presumed. And he eventually voted for one of the 4 leftest parties, for issues mentioned on their websites. I tried to convince others to vote, even the ones I feared would probably vote horribly right-wing, but some were getting annoyed. They really don't like politics and they see not voting as a type of protest voting. There is even a Dutch YouTube channel of people banning together to ask everyone to NOT vote anymore. I think it's crazy, because we had 37 choices in 2021, but people think it doesn't matter.

With your opt out idea, I would feel much more secure to introduce compulsory voting. At least then we force people to think about it. And it might help them give a voice, when during tho opt out process they can answer WHY they don't want to vote. But what would be the penalty for neither voting or opting out?
Is it worth a fine? Or worse?
By CAT [Ignore] 14,May,22 17:45 other posts 
A carrot. Tax refund if they vote. Choosing a leader is not the same as giving medical advice. All you need to vote for someone is seeing if he has good hair
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,May,22 18:45 other posts 
Well our prime minister Rutte does still have his hair.
It's a better reason than anything he's doing.
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By the way, all of it combined would be a good way to do compulsory voting.


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