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By phart [Ignore] 02,May,22 15:40 other posts 
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Jail is to good for this bastard.Put him in a pool with some of those Pariona fish. A shallow pool so he can watch them eat his legs off first.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,May,22 08:30 other posts 
It's just one horrible individual, horribly killing one innocent person,
but yes, that's bad and I won't feel sorry for him, whatever punishment he gets.

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And probably none of them will ever face justice.
By tecsan [Ignore] 04,May,22 22:10 other posts 
little putin boy is responsible for it all...He is a child, woman and elderly killer...I think you are talking about the US person...But little putin boy is getting worse than stalin and hitler...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,May,22 12:11 other posts 
Putin is indeed becoming a horrible mass murderer, but worse than Stalin and Hitler?
Not at this rate, with what he's doing now. But, he could be. If he decided to use nukes, the death-toll of Stalin and Hitler could easily be tenfolded.
By tecsan [Ignore] 08,May,22 00:34 other posts 
Becoming, really...He has been for weeks now...He is telling his people that he is trying to defeat Nazis when in fact he is acting more like a Nazi than anyone in modern history...I cannot believe you said "becoming a horrible mass murderer"...How many more women and kids does he need to kill before you recognize him as a mass murderer and a war criminal...I know a tribunal will have to prove the war criminal part, but the evidence of that has been there for weeks now...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,May,22 06:12 other posts 
Of course Putin's actions in Ukraine have made him a horrible mass murderer
and the reasons he tells the Russian people are lies.

Are the lives of Iraqi people worth less than the lives of Ukrainian people?
Bush killed a million Iraqi people. Saddam did not have a million soldiers!
What the US called terrorists, were just civilians defending their country
against a foreign invasion, just like the Ukrainian civilians are doing now.

Bush accusing Iraq of 9/11 is just as dishonest as calling the people of Ukraine Nazis. Bush changed the motive later to Iraq has WMD.'s. When that turned out to be lies, most Americans changed their justification to "Saddam was a horrible dictator".
Yes he was, Saddam killed half a million people. Bush killed a million.
Saddam was developing Iraq, Bush turned it back to the stone age.

Most of that million victims were innocent civilians and many of them were women
and children. They died the same way as the victims in Ukraine, being bombed
and shot on sight, for just defending their country.

There were also US soldiers raping and torturing people in Iraq. Some were judged.
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But, ever heard of Abu Ghraib prison? Most of those that were tortured there
were innocent civilians, handed over to the US by warlords.
The Bush Administration is liable for 269 War Crimes.
There is lots of evidence of those War Crimes, but your government calls that 'confidential information' and the whistleblowers who uncover that evidence
to journalists, are called 'spies'.

Just like the US, Russia never agrees with their soldiers and officials being judged
by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. So there will be no 'tribunals'
for any of these war crimes.
By phart [Ignore] 08,May,22 08:12 other posts 
only mistake we made in Iraq was not leaving our flag up in the middle and KEEPING AND OWNING the damn place.
Stone age? Hell,they never left it!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 05:21 other posts 
This was Baghdad in 2002. Looks pretty modern. I don't see any caves.


The US just wanted to steal the country, because it has great wealth. Iraq holds
the world's fifth-largest proved crude oil reserves at 145 billion barrels, representing 17% of proved reserves in the Middle East and 8% of global reserves. Off course the wealth wasn't shared with the citizens.
In 2002, one in five Iraqis or 4.6 million people suffered from chronic poverty; "About 13 years of stringent economic sanctions, three wars in two decades and failing economic policies have impoverished a majority of the Iraqi people and reduced them to relying heavily on free food handouts."

Would the US share the wealth with the Iraqi citizens? Off course not, the Iraqi people would be even worse off. You just want to steal their oil, because to you
the Iraqi people are just stone age Muslim terrorists, who should be eradicated. That contradicts the one remaining common justification for the Iraq war;
that Saddam was a horrible dictator to his people.
You argue that the US should have been worse than Saddam ever was.

Ukraine also has great wealth, but it was still the poorest country in Europe.
It was suffering from failing economic policies and massive corruption.
It was doing a bit better the last decades, but still had a GDP per capita
of not even half of Russia. If you think superpowers can just steal the lands
from stone age people, than Putin is just doing what you wanted Bush to do.
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I see many similarities between the US wanting to steal Iraq and Russia wanting
to steal Ukraine. The difference is that Ukraine is on the border with Russia and many Russians are living there. The US has no claim whatsoever on Iraq. That still doesn't justify Putin's actions, but his reasons for desiring to steal Ukraine are way more understandable. And his lies for doing so, are not worse than Bush's lies.
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:08 other posts 
Another difference is ukraine WAS a part of Russia.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 11:40 other posts 
True. Texas was a part of Mexico and if they started attacking Texas
to steal it back (if they were capable of it), I would be against that too.

Up to 1830, most of the current Belgium was part of The Netherlands.
I would surely not support our king or our prime minister attacking Belgium,
to take it back.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,May,22 01:21 other posts 
First explain what you meant by becoming...How many more women and children does it take for you...Admit you made a mistake and I will drop it...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 04:59 other posts 
I did tell you that he already is now. He BECAME a mass murderer as soon as he ordered his troops to bomb civilians.

You can act all indignant about the word 'becoming', but my comments about Putin have been more condemning than what right-wingers were saying about him.
That has changed recently and now he's suddenly compared with the worst monsters to ever walk the planet, like Hitler and Stalin.
Putin is not even close Bush's level yet. But, he's trying hard.

And right-wing outrage about killing civilians is very selective. You are still all whitewashing the mass murder of a MILLION Iraqis. Over half of the Iraqi civilians were killed with bombs and the majority by airstrikes. The US was just bombing houses, with children and women inside. Many children were also killed by unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets). More than 100 countries signed the international treaty prohibiting cluster munitions, because those are mass murder weapons. The US dropped a total of 61,000 cluster bombs on Iraq, releasing twenty million submunitions. That's much worse than Putin (so far).

US troops also killed 200,000+ Afghan citizens, but at least there was some justification from 9/11 for that. There was absolutely no justification for attacking Iraq, other than war hawks in your government, with massive ties to the military industrial complex, wanted to do so. But their propaganda campaign was obviously still effective on you until today. Other strategies work well too, like complete silence on massive war crimes by your friends. Because I never hear anything from right-wingers about Saudi Arabia doing genocide in Yemen. You and your friends can kill as many and who ever you want, because your intent is 'good' on presupposition.

Why do you keep telling us All Lives Matter?
We all know you don't give a damn if they are fucking Arabs.
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:11 other posts 
Women and children were victims because the terrorist used them for human shields. and bad intel contributed as well.
The middle east has been a hot bed for violence before the USA was even a dream. Those people know nothing but war and hatred for anyone but their own kind.The koran teaches them to convert everyone to islam or kill them.
they only tolerate the infedals when it is to their advantage.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:56 other posts 
Itís a lot like the Crusades or the Inquisition. Europe/Asia has been at war constantly since the stone age
"Women and children were victims because the terrorist used them for human shields"

Are you talking about Iraq now? Because that is nonsense. Iraq was a normally functioning state at that point. It was a dictatorship, but it was stable. There were lots of religious fundamentalists living there too, but they were just citizens and Saddam Hussein managed to keep them under control. He was not doing that with gloves on, but what he did was a minute fraction of what the US needed to do, to contain the terrorist threat again. A threat that the US unleashed on the world, by destabilizing Iraq and giving religious fundamentalist citizens a chance to unite and start fighting for their theocratic hegemony wet dream.

That all started way after the US defeated Iraq and put in a fake government. The body count was up to half a million before Islamic State was really awakening.

The rest I mostly agree with.
The Middle East has been a powder keg for decades. But the US lit the fuse.
I just can't decide if it was stupidity or intent, because all the people responsible made lots of money from their ties to the military industrial complex.
All those trillions of tax dollars made lots of people very rich.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,May,22 22:29 other posts 
Hey, even Russian lives matter to me...Saudi lives matter to me...I agree that we should not have been in Iraq...Anytime innocent lives are lost in so called wars is just wrong...I stand by my statement 'All Lives Matter'...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,22 18:36 other posts 
Alright, if that is what you believe, I'll accept it.

I just think you have a tendency to point blame to victims.
Your intuition is that people only kill in self defense,
which is admirable, but in my opinion more often incorrect.

In my opinion, in any case of one person killing another,
the burden of proof it was legitimate is on the survivor,
in any case of a nation attacking another nation, the attacking
nation needs to show it is necessary for defending itself, there is
no other solution and their own laws and international laws are obeyed.

If people defend an attacking country or a person killing another
and I don't recognize the justification, than my intuition is that
lives don't matter to those people.
By tecsan [Ignore] 16,May,22 01:47 other posts 
I think you kind of just brought up abortion, the infants are victims here and cannot even speak for themselves, does not matter if they have trisomy 21...I will gladly take him or her and raise them or find them a good home...Your answer is to kill them...Would you hell no you would rather rip all their limbs and head off...I told you that I did not agree with the last two conflicts we were in...But you keep pressing me, why...???Is it your socialists views???
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,May,22 05:27 other posts 
"would rather rip all their limbs and head off..."
What incredibly hyperbolic! Over half of US abortions are done with pills.

90% of abortions is performed BEFORE week 12. In weeks 9-12 that's often performed with suction curettage, in which the fetus indeed gets torn apart.
But it's at most about 6cm long, about the size of a plum and weighs about 18g. It cannot feel anything yet. It's just your idea that it is a person and it's gruesome, because it looks a bit like a tiny baby. Yes, it's not a pretty sight.
Get over it little snowflake. It doesn't feel anything!

Cows and pigs do feel something when they are pushed and pulled around
to be slaughtered. Chickens are fixed on a conveyor belt, upside down by their feet. Than knives cut off their heads. In some cases that doesn't work and they get plucked alive by a machine. Every animal we eat suffered fear and pain.
Have you ever seen that? Are you a vegetarian now?
People making fun of vegetarians are mostly right-wingers. They think of them as little snowflakes. Well you are little snowflakes and vegetarians have more reason to say "it's gruesome, so I am against it" than you. But they are not forcing other people to stop eating meat.
You think eating meat is FREEDOM, but you don't care about women's RIGHT to choose over their own bodies. Women only have FREEDOM over their body when it comes to vaccines (which I also support).

ďPartial birthĒ is a political, not medical, term, and it does not refer to all late-term abortions. It refers to a very specific and rare procedure called dilation and extraction*, in which a fetus is partially pulled through the birth canal and then aborted, nearly always when the fetus cannot live outside the womb and typically when the motherís health is in danger, the fetus has a serious abnormality, or both. Such a procedure is not conducted lightly: the fetus has a fatal defect and will not survive, or the mother is at risk of death herself.

I keep pressing you, because you keep justifying your ideas with hyperbolic nonsense. Stop spreading nonsense and I stop attacking the nonsense.
By phart [Ignore] 16,May,22 11:56 other posts 
Abortion is a terrible, but preventable medical procedure that results in the loss of a life.
By tecsan [Ignore] 17,May,22 00:35 other posts 
No shit...But have you ever witnessed one without the pill I doubt it, I have...You are sick if you agree with it...
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,May,22 03:05 other posts 
I think a cess pool would be better with 5 pounds of weights on each ankle would suffice...


By tecsan [Ignore] 16,May,22 01:15 other posts 
I think even the dems know that all lives matter...Hell, I bet if you ask many African Americans they would also agree, unless they are progressive leftist...


By tecsan [Ignore] 04,May,22 03:27 other posts 
Remember all lives matter and thank god the supreme court is coming aroumd...I do not agree with the leak that happened...
By phart [Ignore] 04,May,22 09:20 other posts 
The leak is dangerous. Regardless of the issue being dealt with. Hang the bastard that leaked it.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,May,22 10:11 other posts 
How pro-life of you. Isn't that an 'After‑birth abortion'?
By phart [Ignore] 04,May,22 10:55 other posts 
well yea,you could say that.
but it's justified! the country can't afford to keep him fed and sheltered so just grind him up.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,May,22 16:37 other posts 
Yep, that's how you treat whistleblowers.
Uncovering a plot against human dignity is a virtue.
By tecsan [Ignore] 11,May,22 03:25 other posts 
Yes I agree...Did you see the bitch that said she wanted to be impregnated by the conservative that leaked it...Said she would have an abortion and praised it...I paraphrased most of that...
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 08:19 other posts 
Coming around to what? Defining a blob of cells as a sentient being? Maybe theyíll want to stop masturbation. These old farts do not belong in our vaginas. That goes for ALL men unless invited.
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:06 other posts 
the "me to" movement and the sex strikes that women have pushed on to the world lately should be curbing the need for abortion.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:16 other posts 
Maybe, but whatís undeniable is that every abortion can be traced back to a man sticking his dick into a place he likes for pleasure.
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:18 other posts 
because the WOMAN Let him for HER pleasure.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:31 other posts 
Perhaps. Thatís not true all the time. R@or is more prevalent than you might think.
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:14 other posts 
May I politely ask who you are to determine when life really begins? No one can prove when "LIFE" it's self is formed. Sure we can look at cells and stuff and think we know.BUT just as we can not really SEE how the brain works,we can't really PROVE that the blob of cells is not really alive. We can't communicate with it,so it must not be alive? We can't make it wiggle when we tear it's leg off with a coat hanger?
Really take a minute and think,How can you know when life it's self happens when dr's don't even know?
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 09:26 other posts 
Politely? Okay, fair question. Perhaps that old axiom works here, ďI think therefore, I amĒ. No, thatís not it because doctors DO know what brain cells look like. I donít believe in abortion after 12 weeks except under very unusual circumstances. If Iím going to be honest, I would never, ever, have an abortion except in the natural way or in a medical situation. My original statement stands as is. Let me throw this back at you, if no one can prove when life begins, then why do you object to a womanís right to an abortion?
By phart [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:02 other posts 
I object because I can't prove when life begins.It may very well begin with 2 cells.
Remember Ameba's are 1 cell creatures and they live.
Since I can't prove when life begins, I can't agree that 2 cells don't mean the beginning.
I know dr's know what the brain cell looks like. BUT can they explain why yours and mine for example work differently at a basic level?
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:18 other posts 
Sure they can. Mine is far superior, more advanced, than yours.
phart: "I object because I can't prove when life begins."

Why don't you first argue, why the point that life begins is applicable, to the right of a woman to choose whether she wants to carry that fertilized egg for 9 months, give birth to the child that grows out of it and in general be required to care for that child for at least the next 18 years?

Because that fertilized egg is not more special than the ones ending up in sanitary napkins every month. It only takes an abortion pill, for it to end up the same way.
Even if that one or a few cells are alive, it's not the ending of 'a life'.
When that fertilized egg has grown to a fetus, that could survive outside the womb, abortion would end a human life, but it's not killing a person, with thoughts and fears.
Still, it's my personal principle to not allow abortion at that point.
However, the life of the mother is more important, because she IS a person with thoughts and fears. If her life is in danger, it's valid to induce birth and incubate the premature baby, to save it's life, if it has a chance to have a healthy life.

I don't care when life begins, because I don't care about an Ameba. Since I do care about a baby (which we call a fetus after it's born and independently alive), there is a process where that fertilized egg gains value (for me) over its gestation.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:52 other posts 
Well said, Ananas
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,May,22 10:55 other posts 
Thanks
By phart [Ignore] 10,May,22 09:21 other posts 
so you are taking on the roll of God and deciding that life begins OUTSIDE the womb?
As if you have never heard a babys heart beat inside it's mother,or watched the baby's kicks while a woman is sitting on the couch. the feelings we have of security in our mothers arms as babies has nothing to do with it is as close as we can get back into her womb?

We are not wise enough to know when "LIFE" actually begins.
Besides,your idea is canceling out alot of folks ideas of reincarnation is it not?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,May,22 14:49 other posts 
No, you either didn't understand or didn't want to understand.
I said that a fertilized egg being classified as life or not, is irrelevant to me.
An ameba is life, but I don't care about something as primitive as an ameba. Actually an ameba qualifies more as life, because it doesn't require a womb
to stay alive.

Your personal ideas of when "LIFE" actually begins should remain personal and not affect any others. It is a Christian narrative that has been indoctrinated in every fiber of people's beings, even if they managed to break free of religion itself. There is nothing special in a tiny clump of cells. We can have a discussion on when the fetus has value enough that we don't allow abortion anymore, but you completely ignore the value of the woman. You want to treat them as slaves, to your ideas. I never hear you talk about freedom anymore. Have you realized that you actually don't care about freedom?

Maybe it's just your own freedom you care about. Things like owning guns
and being allowed to kill anyone who even looks at you or your property.
Because being pro-life stops directly at birth. From that moment on people should just be completely dependent on their own choices.

Christian extremist want to turn America into a christian caliphate, but if you actually care about the CONSTITUTION, that says America is a secular country, you should not allow christian ideas to be turned into law.

If people believe in reincarnation it is their freedom to NOT have an abortion. Freedom of religion stops where it affects other people's freedom from it.

Freedom is not freedom of religion, freedom is free FROM religion.
By phart [Ignore] 10,May,22 17:58 other posts 
so you don't value "life"?
whatever it is that we can't see that makes us LIVE with consciousness memory and etc, is just a fluke that is meaningless since we can't pinpoint it's origin?
Take religion out of the picture a moment.
What makes a desk a simple blob of molecules and cells that were once a living tree not able to talk,think?
what makes a simple blob of water and cell that make up a human be able to talk,thing and etc? There is something there that you ,me, Cat,no one ,can put a finger on that makes us ALIVE. That is why there is a issue. we take away that gift or that phenomenon or that 94 billion happy mistakes floating around on the earth.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,22 09:01 other posts 
"so you don't value "life"?"
Who's here almost every day cautioning about humanity destroying life?

"whatever it is that we can't see that makes us LIVE with consciousness memory and etc"
A fertilized egg doesn't have that, a baby has (some). I'll allow abortion, up to the point that egg has grown to the complexity that I start caring about it. The choice of a woman is more important than the 'life' of something with the complexity of an Ameba or a mouse or a chicken. Actually, my limit on abortion is before the complexity of the fetus consciousness even approaches that of a mouse.

"is just a fluke that is meaningless since we can't pinpoint it's origin?"
It's the BRAIN. Real easy to pinpoint. Damage it and the consciousness memory is diminished. Destroy it and it's gone. Only religion claims otherwise.

"Take religion out of the picture a moment. What makes a desk a simple blob of molecules and cells that were once a living tree not able to talk,think?"
Again, a BRAIN. This is not rocket science.

"what makes a simple blob of water and cell that make up a human be able to talk,thing and etc?"
For the third time; A BRAIN! We have 100 billion neurons doing all that stuff.
Our brain has evolved in 8 to 10 million years from the thinking power of an ape to the thinking power of humans, even though that thinking power wildly varies.

"There is something there that you ,me, Cat,no one ,can put a finger on that makes us ALIVE. That is why there is a issue. we take away that gift or that phenomenon or that 94 billion happy mistakes floating around on the earth."
That is a religious argument. And everyone that thinks that way can choose to not get an abortion. The problem is that your law will cancel the right for everyone that doesn't think that way.

When did you start to feel that you were alive? Was that when you were a fertilized egg or a clump of cells? You were hardly conscious up to an age of months after birth. Your BRAIN was not developed enough yet. However, you were able to feel pain and discomfort around week 20 into gestation. We know that, because without nerves and enough brain cells, feeling pain is impossible.

All doubt on this subject is caused by religion. It uses the idea of life after death to control people. "Yes, life sucks and it's our fault, but listen to us and you will be rewarded AFTER DEATH, not listen to us and you will suffer for eternity AFTER DEATH".
Even you should understand that there is at least a good chance there is NOTHING AFTER DEATH. Who is the sucker then for having listened to religion's promises and threats.

I don't want a society that makes choices on what religions claim, because the holy books can be used to claim anything. And I do not trust anything they say happens after DEATH, because it hinders society and people to make the best of LIFE. And FREEDOM OF CHOICE is very important to a woman's life. More important than the life of a fertilized egg, a zygote and a fetus (up to a point).

You think you should be allowed to kill a mugger, when he tries to take your stuff. You value that mugger less worth than a fertilized egg. Is your life affected by that mugger more, than a woman who is forced to have a baby she didn't want? And then you are killing a person who clearly shows he is ALIVE, no assumption of 'something' needed.
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,May,22 23:58 other posts 
Hey, phart maybe we are on the wrong side here them protesters outside of the justices houses probably are better off not having children...Look at the ignorance there...All kidding aside though there are plenty of people that would adopt a child...Hell, I would before I let it be killed by radical democrats...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,22 05:44 other posts 
These people are protesting corrupt judges, who are taking away their rights, while fucking over democracy.

The real ignorant people surrounded the houses of the parents of the CHILDREN (not clumps of cells) who were killed in the Sandy Hook school shooting.

Were those parents threatening your human dignity rights?
Has anyone even lifted a finger against you right to own guns?

Those fuckers were threatening parents, who had recently lost their children, because of your right to own guns?

Abortion is not threatening the fetuses of right-wingers and religious people, they can make their own choices. Guns are threatening everyone, from zygote to grandparents.

Right-wingers are the radicals.


By CAT [Ignore] 10,May,22 18:30 other posts 
All lives matter? That Clown jerk should be put away for life

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,22 06:02 other posts 
Leaking information is sort of allowed by the president,
destroying or stealing information from the public isn't.
But attempting to overturn the election he lost, in a big conspiracy
against the American voter, that is treason and worthy of the death penalty.

Unfortunately your justice system is waiting till he keels over from his fat heart.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,May,22 07:13 other posts 
It does seem like that


By tecsan [Ignore] 27,Apr,22 02:10 other posts 
Every person with commonsense knows that all lives matter...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Apr,22 06:26 other posts 
And you think all of them lack that commonsense, just by not adding 'too'.
All lives can't matter until black lives matter too. They don't know.

But, it might be true that no lives matter, because what actually happens,
when any lives get ended or destroyed? A big bunch of nothing!

At least black people care. You think they only care about black people, but the solutions they are proposing will protect ALL lives. That proves they mean 'too'.
By tecsan [Ignore] 02,May,22 21:09 other posts 
Do not really understand what you are trying to say here...Now do we have to ignore all the riots and burning of personal property...You are a liberal and I can see that...

Most of my family are liberals so it does not bother me...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,May,22 10:14 other posts 
Remember after jan 6th when all violence was blamed on Antifa?

BLM has never done any harm to anyone! Those were all infiltrators!


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