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Started by kebmo [Ignore] 19,Jul,18 05:03  other posts
I'm sure a lot of people here don't want to talk about the US President. I am also sure that there are a lot of people that do want to so let's do it here so they won't have to "listen" to us if they choose not to.
I watch a LOT of news, Canadian and American. I don't get Foxx News but I do get CNN and MSNBC which are very left leaning. The two Canadian news networks, CBC News and CTV News are more middle of the road. I watch the late shows too and I especially like Seth Myers' "A Closer Look".

Let's talk Trump!

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By leopoldij [Ignore] 11,Jan,21 13:55 other posts 
To understand what has been happening in the US, one needs to place himself/herself in a wider context, both spatially and temporally. Look at the past and try to see what the last 4 years' events, with the epitome the recent insurrection against Congress, look at other countries and how, aided by democratically elected leaders, eventually bring their democracies to collapse.

A good source towards this exercise is the book "How Democracies Die" by Levitsky and Ziblatt explaining how elected leaders can gradually subvert the democratic process to increase their power.

The authors dedicate many chapters to the study of the United States, especially Trump, and the presidential election, but also apply their theory to Latin America and European countries, especially Venezuela and Russia. The US has, until 4 years ago, resisted the attempts to undermine democracy thanks to well-defined and well-respected norms. E.g., forbearance, that is, the intentional restraint of one's power in order to respect the law and its spirit. Currently there is crisis in American democracy. Suffices to see the reactions of many countries would-wide, from Iran to Germany and beyond, to see that there is one.

This is how one, especially Americans, should look at things. From a wide and educated perspective. *IF* in, say, 50 years from now, US loses its world hegemony--and this will happen one day because everything collapses, every empire, every democracy, every system, even ones that have been around for 2000 years, not just 200 as the US, historians will be referring to January 2020 as the break point.


By CAT-2 [Ignore] 11,Jan,21 11:39 other posts 
Does anyone think Trump will get to answer for his part in the storming of the Capitol?


By dgraff [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 20:13 other posts 
I come here in peace to invite all you hard core Democrats to my blog the virus 🦠
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If you want some come get some
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What no takers yet just as I thought Democrats are a bunch of pussies
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I guess no one wants to play with a big drunken hairy biker
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:10 other posts 
Maybe if you sell it better
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 07:52 other posts 
My blog that is now removed was only a test to see which of the die hard Democrats would really fight for what they believe in and my suspicions were right every one of them on here looked at it but said nothing and I know because I checked the page views only 2 stood there ground gentleman and nakel the rest of you guys are all talk except maybe strongmember as he didn’t even waist his time to look
By Gntlmn [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 21:00 other posts 
Ok. Hatchet buried. As a former cop, I'm saddened about that Capital officer losing his life. On the flip side, I BLAME his department for not preparing for the riot. They knew it was coming.
By bella! [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 21:15 other posts 
And as a former police officer, do you advocate defunding the police?
By Gntlmn [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 23:47 other posts 
No. But I advocate prosecution of those who participated Wednesday's mob in DC
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 21:06 other posts 
that 1 fellow claiming to be a democrat but bragging about his guns and ammo and how he could kill us at 500 yards,that was a hoot.1500 feet.Damn,when I was target shooting 30 years ago,I was busting eggs at 300 yards with a open site .22 hex barrel winchester.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 20:23 other posts 
Trump will go down the history as the worst president of the US. What a legacy!


By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 04:59 other posts 
Did anyone see the guy with the beard sitting in Nancy Pelosi's office chair behind her 200 year old mahogany desk with his feet proped up on it fucking hilarious what a slap in the Democrats face
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And I betcha old Nancy comes in this morning and sniffed the chair were he was sitting
By Robben [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 13:11 other posts 
First: I respect both Democrats and Republicans so Im neutral when it matters the political standpoint.
I guess the picture is shown all over the world- really bad PR for the USA, a low-water mark on human behavor. Its sad how so few people makes so much harm to so many people. The whole thing is horrible and embarrasing for all.
By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 13:49 other posts 
I’m very anti government and belong to many militias I think the whole situation is funny I’m hoping they tear each other apart then we can go back to the old ways with out a government
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 16:19 other posts 
So he is an anarchist after all.. but likes being in a few clubs.

I think it is embarrassment for National Security. I believe this affects all Americans. I doubt that is the worst guy ever but he should receive some appropriate due process under the law for what he did.

Then again.. the pardon window is still open..
By #607191 07,Jan,21 17:39
I bet when they invent a time-machine you'll be the first in line to go back 10.000 years.
By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 18:26 other posts 
Even 2000 years would be just fine
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:36 other posts 
I hope JC's heavy desert n*gg#r tan won't bother you when you see it in person.
By #202354 09,Jan,21 07:50
Yea I heard him talking on a radio broadcast and I thought it was a woman talking at first. He had one of those high pitched "girly" voices. Maybe he belongs to the "FTM's for Trump" group.
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 08:06 other posts 
Maybe it was mike Tyson representing Black Lives Matter
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 19:17 other posts 
The storming of one of the chambers of congress is not very important for you. It's more important, almost funny, to you that some yahoo that has no love for this country defiled a government building that stands for democracy. This throws the Constitution out the window, including your precious second amendment. You, deserve jail time for support after the fact of this crime. You should loose your citizenship
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 19:39 other posts 
Who are you to question? Who are you to decide?
YOU of all people were saying just a few months ago that it takes violence to get things fixed.And those folks are upset about the election fraud.
IF those folks had real evil intentions,the damn building would still be smoking right now. I feel sure some beer or liquer was involved but at the same time,I think it could have been alot worse,alot more blo0dshed,alot more death.
If I had been there,I don't know that I would have walked in,but I damn sure would have been on the steps to be seen,and to hopefully be heard by the heathans trying to ruin the US.
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 22:41 other posts 
You tell her phart
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 08:19 other posts 
phart
I never said violence is the way to go. Who am I? I am a US citizen who believes in the rule of law. You bring up election fraud. You sound like a parrot. You know, and everyone knows that a man in poopy diapers, screaming he was robbed of a win in the elections, is not proof. Time after time his lawyers were told they didn't have any proof. So, stop bringing up the election or fraud.

IF those folks had real evil intentions,the damn building would still be smoking right now. I feel sure some beer or liquer was involved but at the same time,I think it could have been alot worse,alot more blo0dshed,alot more death.

Are you for real? Just the act of breaking in to the building is a huge act of terrorism. The Capitol has not been breached in 209 years since the War of 1812.

phart your views are idiotic.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 08:27 other posts 
And your views are the reason 75 million plus Americans are angry as hell right now.
BUT this is America,and as for the moment we are still free to disagree and voice our feelings. We should both fear the day that it is no longer possiable.And that day may be here sooner than we think.
Look at the removal of social media platforms like Parlor. This is a social media platform.what would prevent our free speach from being lost here?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 13:25 other posts 
A pair of Warmtities
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jan,21 18:10 other posts 
Warm tits in close proximty of mouth would inhibit and distort speach ,making it difficult to convey 1's veiws


By Strongmember# [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 14:54 other posts 
Thoughts on DC protest right now?
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 15:24 other posts 
I unequivocally blame Trump for what is happening right now. This is not an example of peaceful protest. It’s ugly and violent and I really hope the bullets don’t fly.
The the President of the United States is not accepting democracy and the will of the people.
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This will be Donald Trump’s legacy.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 16:06 other posts 
Well, we can't say Venezuela is any different than us.
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 18:31 other posts 
Why, is some foreign government trying to install it's own puppet, who doesn't even have a position in any political party, as the President of the US so that they can take the US's oil? Venezuela is completely different.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:20 other posts 
You missed the point
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 22:08 other posts 
I think his point is that the US has caused chaotic situations, like the ones seen today in DC, in other countries attempting, and often succeeding, to overthrow a democratically elected president, say. For example, only registered users can see external links
Today's situation is kind of unique: The current president of the US is trying to overthrow the next president of the US.
Instead of the US shooting at other countries causing them to become Banana republics, it is shooting itself. The goal of the current president IS to make the US a Banana republic. He's also afraid for his ass.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 07:36 other posts 
leopoldij post WWII the US started to undermine the Soviet Union's efforts to establish pro-Russian, pro-communist governments in mostly developing countries. It didn't matter that the people of those countries voted the government in. Most of this was due to the CIAs unchecked forms of operations. It was a dark period for foreign politics. This went on until the late 1990s. Since then we don't interfere so much. We must remember that countries are amoral and will do many illegal things in the name of security. We didn't make banana republics. We tried to steer them to capitalism and yank friendships
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 14:19 other posts 
TWOWARMTTS3 The Libyans, Yemenis, Cubans, Venezuelans, Bolivians, Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis and who knows how many other countries will disagree with your statement 'we don't interfere too much'. Trying to steer countries towards capitalism be sanctioning them and destroying there economies and causing the deaths of thousands of people isn't the way to do it. If a country wants to be socialist or communist, that's their choice.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 15:31 other posts 
No argument. However, would you prefer to have an enemy pointing a missile at DC or have him friendly to us? What they want and what they get will depend on many factors. Why shouldn’t we try to influence the outcome? BTW, we didn’t cause those thousands of deaths. Each individual society has a choice.
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 19:11 other posts 
You don't think the Russians have missiles that can reach every major city in the US? Sanctioning countries and threatening them with words, or by building military bases in countries next to the enemy isn't the way to make friends.

No country has the right to influence or interfere in another countries election. If it turned out the Russians had directly interfered and / or influenced the result of the 2016 election, would you be bothered?

US imposed sanction have caused thousands of deaths as the countries under those sanctions have not had access to medicines, hygiene products, machinery and spare parts for machines used in farming, fishing, and food production and distribution. Plus the high inflation caused by sanctions means a lot of people can't afford those products even if they are available.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 20:31 other posts 
Trump offered help to Iran very early in the pandemic,it would have be medical supplys and such that could not be used as weapons or against us.He even went as far as to offer humanitarian aid to NORTH KOREA.
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 07:35 other posts 
No, he ordered countries not to supply Iran with protective clothing and other supplies. The WHO stepped in and supplied Iran with those supplies, and not long after that Trump criticised the WHO and stopped the US's funding. Coincidence?
Was the humanitarian aid the same as the US sent to Venezuela, i.e weapons and communication equipment for opposition supporters to overthrow the government?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 21:10 other posts 
Sanctions and interference of elections are two different things. We never interfered in a countries elections. Sanctions are a way to protest another country's unfriendly actions. North Korea's nuclear program is aimed at us. We sanctioned them. You have said that those sanctions caused many deaths. First, the sanctioned country could stop doing what is objectionable. Second,prove your premise.
By kebmo [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 05:48 other posts 
Oh I’m sure America has filled with a couple of elections here and there.
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*fiddled
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 06:16 other posts 
Good chance. As @TWOWARMTTS3 mentioned, the CIA for a while was waging the covert hidden actions during the Cold War. That type of global strategic thinking is quite complex. They may have gotten some right, but I think caused some disasters. Earlier thousands of deaths were mentioned, I've done research on the supposed attempted overthrow of the Indonesian government in the late 60s by a still relatively small but growing Communist party. The result was a swift change in leadership to a Western friendly dictator who not only took some revenge on the "Communists responsible" but encouraged a genocidal figure of at least 500,000 deaths, many of whom were not even Communist. When analyzing the supposed coup attempt carefully it makes more sense as a CIA sanctioned co-operation to stop the spread of Communism to another Southeast Asian nation. 500,000 deaths is a pretty big casualty fallout. But I digress.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 08:34 other posts 
I'm sure we have given support to the opposition. I meant we didn't invade the country and arrested the front runner. kebmo your assurance is meaningless unless you back it up with facts. For instance, Canadians have the reputation of being lousy tippers, but, without actual proof I would never say that.
Brazil's, Ecuador's, Bolivia's (briefly) President's are all in power due to US interference. The Shah of Iran was put in power due to US interference, as Was Pinochet in Chile, Papa Doc in Haiti, and others.
How has Venezuela been unfriendly to the US? By not bending over and saying 'Sure, take our oil?'
Of course North Korea's nuclear program is aimed at you. You have troops and missiles along the border with South Korea. They are entitled to defend themselves, as are Iran.
What are the countries under US sanctions doing that you find objectionable? Other than not bending to the US's will, or being told to be sanctioned by Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The UN has published reports on the link between US sanctions and deaths to lack of medicines and hygiene equipment.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 08:48 other posts 
You are right. The US has supported pro US regimes

With the exception of Costa Rica, virtually all Latin American countries had at least one experience with a United States-supported dictator:[23] Fulgencio Batista in Cuba, Rafael Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, the Somoza family in Nicaragua, Tiburcio Carias Andino in Honduras, Carlos Castillo Armas in Guatemala, Hugo Banzer in Bolivia, Juan María Bordaberry in Uruguay, Jorge Rafael Videla in Argentina, Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Alfredo Stroessner in Paraguay, François Duvalier in Haiti, Artur da Costa e Silva and his successor Emílio Garrastazu Médici in Brazil and Marcos Pérez Jiménez in Venezuela, which caused a strong anti-American sentiment in wide sectors of the population

BUT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT COUNTRY EXCEPT TO KEEP THE USSR FROM GAINING INFLUENCE AND MISSILE LOCATIONS. I STILL REMEMBER NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV TAKE HIS SHOE OFF AND START BANGING THE TABLE AT THE UN, SHOUTING "WE WILL BURY YOU" AND WHO CAN FORGET THE MISSILES IN CUBA?
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BTW, WE SUPPORTED THESE REGIMES. WE DIDN'T INVADE THE COUNTRIES LIKE THE USSR DID TO AFGHANISTAN.
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 09:23 other posts 
Oh, so the US troops in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan are there at the invitation of those countries? Here's me thinking the US invaded those countries. Iraq's politicians voted to remove the US and allied military, but they refused to leave. The US has even announced the are going to build 3 new military bases in Iraq. That's occupation.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 13:03 other posts 
The US stated that the intent was to remove "a regime that developed and used weapons of mass destruction, that harbored and supported terrorists, committed outrageous human rights abuses, and defied the just demands of the United Nations and the world."[1] For the invasion of Iraq the rationale was "the United States relied on the authority of UN Security Council Resolutions 678 and 687 to use all necessary means to compel Iraq to comply with its international obligations".[2]

Same thing with Syria (Kadaffi)


In the lead-up to the invasion, the US and UK emphasized the argument that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction and that he thus presented a threat to his neighbors and to the world community. The US stated "on November 8, 2002, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1441.
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 15:47 other posts 
Yes, that was the intent, and after 18 years they still haven't found any of those WMD's, how strange. They did find a lot of oil though, and a country neighbouring Iran in which to build some military bases. I think everyone knows that was bollocks.

I think you mean Gaddafi, who was Libyan. Assad is Syria's President. Syria also has oil, and is allied to Iran and not Saudi Arabia.

If the US is so concerned about human rights and overthrowing states that support terrorism, I recommend they overthrow ISIS sponsor and human rights abuser Saudi Arabia. There's even the bonus of all the oil. Maybe have a go at Israel too.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 18:52 other posts 
Sorry. All ragheads are the same to me. So, you are right. We really are bad people who have colonializm in our brain. We should bomb Caracas, Quito, and other capitals. We should invade and anex all of South America. Who needs these wetbacks?
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:22 other posts 
There was an official 'stated reason' and apparent evidential clues, I am sure top on the list of Powell's regrets in life, that were never found..... but honestly, more importantly:

Who perpetrated 911? What nations most responsible?
#1 was Saudi Arabia
But we didn't dare bite the hand that could refuse to feed us

Iraq was maybe number 5 or so. That worked out great.. pushed us way into debt.. created a power vacuum for emerging gems such as Isis.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 14:27 other posts 
I do know.
The thug Trump treated his own country
as if it was an enemy.
His motivation: to save his failed personal business.
Thus, the product of capitalism uses and abuses his power, through capitalism and politics, to save what he tried to create
by unethical methods.
Capitalism, as well as communism, as well as any system that becomes powerful, begets monsters.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 15:33 other posts 
Agree
By 2nice [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 16:49 other posts 
First of all, I do not condone any sort of violent protest. There is always a better way. I keep hearing on the news that this activity is “UnAmerican”.

Storming the Capital building is “UnAmerican”. Which I do agree.

But, how is upholding a fraudulent election, “American”?

Both sides of this country are at fault.
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 17:17 other posts 
2nice, protesting and rioting are two very different things. One is protected by the First Amendment and the other is not.
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Even Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence have conceded this election.
By 2nice [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 17:29 other posts 
Did I not say that I do not condone violent protests?
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 17:34 other posts 
Yes you did and I read that. A violent protest is called a riot, correct?
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I am very surprised that the capital police were not better prepared for this. It could’ve been a lot worse but thankfully most people were just peaceful protesters that stayed on the outside.
By 2nice [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 17:53 other posts 
I’m confused, because I believe we are saying the same thing. In regards to protests.

The despicable behavior of this crowd of protesters do not represent the American public of Trump supporters. They are less than a size of an gnat against the majority.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 18:01 other posts 
Eerily similar defense to one proposed months back by people who wished to support a certain movement with peaceful protest or in spirit; however actions of the few caused the entirety of supporters to be labelled agitators and rioters. I know I am taking this discussion sideways here and not attacking you @2nice, but are others noticing similarities?
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 18:28 other posts 
2nice, I agree with that.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:27 other posts 
What if they were paid off to let them in? Many people and groups on both sides have motive
By leopoldij [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 14:31 other posts 
One can't, at the same time, support Trump and and object the riots.

Reason: it's trump who incited the riots, now and in the past.


He has also createda religion. A religion, any religion, is a system whose followers believe in nonsense.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 22:10 other posts 
They had to. It is to their interest, as politicians. Pence realized that Trump has no chance anymore, so he is starting to do things to prepare himself to run as president in the future. He may even, at some point, produce a book saying how much anti-trump he's been. Since the public mostly consists of morons they'll believe that.
By Gntlmn [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 21:18 other posts 
You
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 07:58 other posts 
2nice since November 3 I've heard "fraudulent election" ad-nauseam. Let's ignore that scores of courts and recounts have not found any major irregularities. NO ONE IS UPHOLDING A FRAUDULENT ELECTION. This all started because our president Trump said that it was a fraudulent election. And we know our president, the best president ever, does not lie.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 15:52 other posts 
Such a thing has never happened before.
The President himself is inciting violence (not for the first time) and the police isn't arresting him.
Americans should change their constitution with an amendment like this: If the president urges people to take over the government buildings then he or she should be thrown out and imprisoned. But never, in the US history, have the Americans predicted that such acts, by the president himself, are possible. In some sense, it's actually funny. A violent person, such as trump, has been allowed to be president for so long. Even his cronies are now against him. I guess he'll pardon himself in the end so that he doesn't go to prison.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 01:56 other posts 
actually can with 25th amendment
By leopoldij [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 03:30 other posts 
Thank you. I didn't know. Then they should exercise it. Get this madman out, now.
By #607191 06,Jan,21 18:47
Nothing special. This gun-infested nation has been addicted to violence & war since the start. Nevertheless I wish all it's citizens the best in the coming revolutionairy years. It'll make interesting television though when they dust off the guillotine.
Good luck to yous all.
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Not a bad prediction as they rolled out the guillotine in Arizona.
To be continued....
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 22:15 other posts 
Gun infested nation? You must have missed the memo that the only killing that happened with a gun during this protest was by a cop killing a innocent 14 year air force veteran.
By #607191 07,Jan,21 05:34
How innocent can you be when you've illegally & forcibly entered the Capitol building? A reception with flowers, maybe?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 09:24 other posts 
someone else may have knocked the door down and she just walked in perhaps? No evidence that SHE forced her way in.
i am sure alot of folks got shot all over the country yesterday.But it only takes 1 black to get the BLM'ers to jumping and burning.So why aren't they jumping up and down over this police shooting?
By #607191 07,Jan,21 09:56
Babbitt, an avowed and public Trump supporter as well as a subscriber to a number of alt-right conspiracy theories, had vowed the insurrectionist movement could never be halted. “Nothing will stop us … they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours … dark to light!” she wrote on Twitter.

Babbitt, 35, was reportedly shot as she and other rioters tried to break through a barricaded door in the building where Capitol police officers were armed on the other side.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 20:35 other posts 
And she can't have a opionion? I wonder if BLMer's are saints online? I bet some of their words are harsh . Any evidence that SHE broke in the door? Could have been a stronger male that she followed in and she was UNARMED. There was PLENTY of ARMED people to shoot at there,why did a policeman choose to shoot a unarmed woman instead of a man that had a gun and more of a real threat is beyond me.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:24 other posts 
Great argument for gettng rid of guns!
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 08:01 other posts 
phart only one death? Well, that makes it all right. Besides the insurrection, how many other people get shot yesterday?
By andrew999999999 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 14:23 other posts 
I've heard 4 people died yesterday.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 20:33 other posts 
Up to 5 last I read,
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 18:55 other posts 
My thoughts, the White House belongs to the people.The people voted,their vote being counted and all votes counted being legal is in question. Judges and the liberal left could have let the cases go to court,be heard,and what you are seeing now probably would not have happened regardless of the findings of those courts.To throw out,to dismiss,to downright downplay 1000's of peoples statements made under oath as being lies,to deny over 75 million citizens the right to have their greviances heard,is why you are seeing this march on the White house.
And on another note, I think it was Dear Old Nancy that took AMEN out off the house floor. I think today,the Conservitives put it back in as I am sure alot of those wimps that want to take away your rights and hand your hard earned dollars to those that never work,were praying for their "safety".

I hope folks don't get hurt,I also hope the dems understand the message being sent,We want to be heard. We have been silent to long.
IF you can't stand with them,get the hell out of their way.
As for Antifa and BLM doing something similar,Naw,nothing like it,I didn't see any burning cars,no burning buildings,only 1 person shot and that was by a gung ho cop.
So nothing like BLM.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 18:59 other posts 
well now.. as long as you are comfortable with your hypocrisy. btw.. what building belongs to the people.. oh yeah the White House they broke into
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 19:07 other posts 
Who does it belong to then? It is supposed to be full of people that represent the American people,not 3 branchs of dictators. Hate Trump as you will but you had 1 side controled by democrats and 1 side by Republicans,it kept things balanced to some degree,now with the way things are,Kamala Harris is the most powerful woman on earth as she can dictate literaly everything that comes thru the 2 chambers. Wow,Dems are so fucking stupid.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 19:09 other posts 
My catch was you got the wrong building. Trump was hiding over by the White House. It was the Capitol Building. I think you could brush up on your understanding of US Government.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:21 other posts 
oh, ok,you got me covered on that 1,I think off all that area as the nations capitol and all those buildings to me have equal value but I did misconstru which building.
Dictating what comes through the two chambers was exactly what Mitch McConnell has done the past years. He has blocked the senate vote over 400 times and thereby blocked everything the democratic house majority had proposed.
But dems are stupid when they get the chance to do the same?

I hope Kamala Harris will block every single bill from the republicans, but I'm sure she won't because Biden wants to work with the republicans. That would be stupid!
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:23 other posts 
The courts are not controlled by the left or the right. Trump can't get his head around this.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:28 other posts 
That is why had they took some of their precious time and let the cases come forward,let each side show what they had,and THEN made a ruling,things would not be where they are.
Left or right would not have had much to whine about had this been done.
I think left and right played to much of a part in it,as in stabbing the Repubs in the back to maintain status quo.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 16:06 other posts 
ya.. everyone knows they are controlled by the Globalists
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 08:09 other posts 
phart correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Republicans control both houses of Congress until 2019 and the Senate to this day? You think you can support these Republicans and make it all right by hoping no one gets hurt? Well, first of all, that ship sailed already, and second, why do your people are always violent and with guns while that clown in the White House played his harp?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 09:25 other posts 
What are the repubs supposed to do? Dress in pink and purple and carry magic wands? That won't get any respect or put the fear of GOD in the minds of the liberals.They mocked the word, AMEN on Monday,and made it and other words unwelcome in the chambers. I am willing to bet some of those same people were saying Amen after a prayer yesterday!. So Amen was brought BACK into the chambers! Hehehehe.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 15:38 other posts 
Who appointed them to put the fear of God into them? And why should amen be politicized? Do you truly believe that ransacking a chamber of Congress is the ethical choice to dispute, well, anything. Those people, yesterday are seditionist. And amen to that.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 06:21 other posts 
Um.. they are supposed to govern with the power they were given? There are job descriptions that come with titles like Senator and President. So I suppose you suggest they were not effective leaders? Why bother trying to even elect them again in that case?
If those supporters were black, do you think there would only have been 4 deaths, or do you think the police would have reacted more forcefully than they did with the white protestors?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 20:40 other posts 
To answer both,If you have any religous back ground or knowledge you may have heard, God works in mysteryous ways.
You think God may have appointed them.Who are we to question?
I heard a neighbor say yesterday, Soap box,ballot box,ammo box. That is why we have the second ammendment,to protect ourselves from the government overreach.There is a fancy word for it but I can't think of it.

As for black or white? I don't think the whites were as violent,the reason less violence was used in response. Climbing,walking,talking,shouting,carrying a flag,are not violent behaviors, BUT had the people set all the Suburbans on fire outside the building,beating the walls down with hammers, and setting Nancys desk on fire ,then I would expect a more violent response from law enforcement.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 06:25 other posts 
so violence is breaking physical objects? I usually think of violence as human to human. Btw 1 officer has died now. And what about the broken doors, windows, chairs,?

Don't sink low here with such blatantly racist logic.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 14:36 other posts 
Well how about telling your prezident to be to stop bringing up race.just 5 minutes ago,he was saying ,"Black,brown,latino,etc,he is racist and is public about it right on the radio.

By the way,what is a brown person?
Indians,as the people that were here before all of us,are red. People of African origin are black, orientals are yellow and etc. IF latino is brown, why are both words used by Biden?
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 09,Jan,21 05:32 other posts 
Omg. how about researching before writing out your ignorance.

1st. Biden is not racist by having conversations about race.

2nd. Idk where you live, but there are many shades of people. Brown often covers African descendants who are more brown than black. It also covers many from South Asia. Btw Asians aren't yellow. Sometimes Latin people could be grouped as brown depending on context.

Maybe next time listen to the lessons of our new President.
By #202354 06,Jan,21 19:01
That is the way the world ends....not with a bang, but a whimper. Who said that?

All this s**t is the beginning of the end for this country.
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:05 other posts 
Well as the world ends Trump won’t be tweeting about it because his account has been blocked until about 4:30 AM Eastern standard time on Thursday morning. Deafening silence.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:23 other posts 
Naw,it is illegal censorship.Similar to the 1.7 million member group on Face book being erased ,Biden Not my President. Fastest growing group ever on Face book. BUT yet,The Trump Not my President group is still up after 4 fucking years!It is ok to mow down your current leader,but to say something bad about your "president elect" is some cardinal sin. Again,a double standard. We are supposed to have FREEDOM OF SPEACH here!
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 20:34 other posts 
phart, they did it because he Incited a riot and that is illegal.

13 days and 15 hours to go.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 21:08 other posts 
only registered users can see external links
By kebmo [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 21:46 other posts 
I am not sure what they were referring to.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,21 22:13 other posts 
Trump ask his supporters to go home,and respect the law enforcement.amoung other things.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 02:00 other posts 
only after many tweets urging opposite all day, plus his speech, then he let it go on a while, then dropped that ineloquent outtake video later on.. minimal applause
According to your own laws it's legal for Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and others
to block or ban anyone who violates their Community Standards.
I don't agree with censorship, but that's what happens when you give a private company control of a public facility; the end of free speech.

The censorship will increase, when republicans manage to repeal section 230, because the media companies would then be liable for content posted by their users.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 09:27 other posts 
If that is the case,why would the democrats be so fearful of repealing 230? They like to squelch conservitives so that would be to their advantage would it not?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 10:39 other posts 
No, because most democrats actually care about freedom of speech,
unlike republicans who only care about THEIR freedom of speech.

AND at least progressives understand that those media companies might start
with banning right wing extremists, but as soon as censorship has been allowed,
the media companies start banning progressives. Why? Because progressives
are critical of the corruption the media is part of, as income source.
Progressives are a danger to their wealth, unlike the right wingers.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,21 20:42 other posts 
Interesting point,spread that out a little,about the wealth and progressives. I would have thought the progressives would be a major cash cow for the media?
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 08,Jan,21 06:32 other posts 
Do you realize how large the global media industry is, how many sources of information exist for us all. It's not just MSNBC, CNN, Fox, Newsmax. All 4 arguably fight for eyeballs and engage in a degree of sensationalism. All have also begun splitting time between newscasts and political pundit shows. Anyway.. @ananas2xlekker was describing the more educated of the progressives who understand what a slippery slope is.

Not happy? Go to Parlor
The big news networks are funded and owned by big corporations. Some of them are funded by corporations owned by conservatives and some by corporations owned by liberals. The funders of the so called 'left wing' media are hardly progressive. They might be culturally liberal, but they oppose any progressive policy that endangers the wealth or profit of the organizations that own and fund them.

Those kind of liberals understand they can pacify the gullible people with the idea of freedom, but they don't want to relinquish any of their power or share any of their wealth. In other words, they are only easy on the liberal symbolism, but not on liberal progress. They might anger you by taking a knee in solidarity with BLM or condoning the removal of Confederate statues, but they really don't give a shit about anyone, let alone black people. In my opinion those kind of liberals only hurt the progressive ideals.


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