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POLITICS...Pertaining to the United States of America.

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 13,Sep,22 03:10  other posts
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.

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By kebmo [Ignore] 27,Oct,24 14:03 other posts 
About 25% of Canadians voted at advanced poles for the last election. I have always chosen to vote on election day because voting is very convenient and usually close by so it's not a hassle on election day. I have never encountered a wait time more than about 10 minutes.

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As Americans you have more options to vote early or by mail and for some people it is more convenient to do so.

Are you going to vote early or on election day?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Oct,24 14:44 other posts 
In The Netherlands, we can only vote on election day, unless we live abroad.
However, in America, many people have to stand in line for hours.
That's why 76% of Americans support early voting.

We have so many polling places, that voting takes only minutes.
That's why there is no democratic majority who supports early voting.
By dgraff [Ignore] 01,Nov,24 07:33 other posts 
In Pennsylvania it goes by township and each township has a polling place mine is literally right down the street from me and only takes me a few minutes
By tecsan [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 03:14 other posts 
I have never waited to vote maybe a minute or two where I live. So voting on the actual voting day should be no problem for libtards unless they are looking for ways to cheat. BTW I have never voted early either.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 07:31 other posts 
Every claim you have about Democrats cheating fails miserably, but this very moment there are efforts in every red state to steal the election, purge voter registrations,
reject the outcome of the election and change the system in their own favor, that are being stopped in court, because they are clear violations of The Constitution.

When Taylor Swift was reminding people to register to vote, you lot were crying.
Now Elon Musk is PAYING people to register to vote and I hear crickets.
Hypocrisy is just something other people do, for you, isn't it?
By phart [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 07:40 other posts 
I will confess, I had the chance to vote last thursday before leaving town for a few days. It crossed my mind that my health could prevent me from voting on election day or other things and this election is so damn important I decided to do it, waited in line about 20 minutes. over 9000 people had voted at that 1 location already and voting had been going on 4 days. Americans are pissed and tired, I think folks that haven't voted in decades are coming out of the wood works because they finally see the danger.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 11:50 other posts 
I'm sure I won't agree with what you voted, but I agree with you agreeing with early voting. I would encourage Democratic voters to vote early, so I support that choice for you too. To the Democratic voters; MAGA is planning to hang around polling places, looking to accuse people of voter fraud. If you look "suspicious" to a racist bigot, better get your vote in now. If you look like phart, you can go vote on election day.

What are Americans pissed and tired about and what will Trump do about it?
Is it all just about the immigrants again?

Some specifics about the danger, please?
Is that fearmongering about the socialists, communists, Marxists (joke)?
Or, that people cannot pay for groceries? What will Trump do about it?

There is a danger, it's Trump, but I hope I will never have to say "I told you so!".
I expect Trump to declare himself the winner, no matter how clear he lost, again.
It will probably be a contested election. I expect court cases from both sides.
This is something Trump brought to your country. That's his danger!
By phart [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 15:39 other posts 
As I said here 4 years ago, if the dems think the repubs are lying about election issues then they should make every effort to investigate each and every claim to "debunk" it with PROOF. Not just a court dismissal from lack of evidence. that was a cop out by the dems in most cases.
PROVE them wrong if they are wrong.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 12:13 other posts 
The Democrats are CONSTANTLY fighting back efforts from the Republicans
to cheat, in court, in all Republican controlled states.
They are winning almost all the cases, because it's clearly cheating.
It's just an onslaught that is hard to stop. They keep fighting it, because
every little win of the Republicans breaks down democracy just a little further.
You don't know this, because the media you watch doesn't tell you.
By phart [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 15:40 other posts 
and the trouble is brewing already.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 12:18 other posts 
Did you check the locations of those ballot drop boxes?
I bet you they are in Democratic leaning areas.
It's a fucked up way to take away people's right to vote.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 16:47 other posts 
there is a close race in that area that a republican may win and I am thinking it is a democrat burning them to prevent that. Or just someone wanting to cause mayhem.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Oct,24 12:01 other posts 
Oh sure, pretend that right-wingers don't have a long history
of violence and destruction to get what they want.

"police arrested a man this week in Phoenix who had been shooting at Democratic National Committee offices there and placed anti-Democratic signs outside his home that had razor blades and an unknown white powder attached to them.
The man had amassed 120 guns and 250,000 rounds of ammunition, leading prosecutors to believe he was preparing to commit an act of mass casualty."

"Oct. 30, 2024 An 18-year-old man was arrested in Florida on Tuesday for threatening two supporters of Vice President Kamala Harris with a machete outside an early-voting site, the latest in a series of threats or attacks surrounding early and mail voting."

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By the way; two of those ballot drop boxes were in Vancouver and Portland.
Aren't those very blue areas?
By phart [Ignore] 31,Oct,24 20:16 other posts 
yes, all the more reason to burn the ballots because of the republican that has a chance of winning from what i read, plus, the "free gaza" words were found near 1 of the burn sites to. And dems are pushing that. Those folks don't support either party, they are more or less anarchists
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Nov,24 07:52 other posts 
Everyone knows that Democrats prefer voting by ballot,
while Republicans prefer voting in person on election day.
No matter where you go, to burn a ballot box, there is a high chance
of it containing more votes for Democrats than votes for Republicans.

If there was the "free gaza" words near 1 of the burn sites, that would make it
a blue area doesn't it. How many Republicans support "free gaza", 0%?


By PITBULL [Ignore] 31,Oct,24 19:23 other posts 
hey guys new poll of the day; /polls/5148.html


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Oct,24 10:43 other posts 
Trump Ally Elon Musk Warns of 'Necessary' Economic Collapse if Trump Elected

"Elon Musk has offered a sobering preview of Donald Trump’s economic plan for America if he is re-elected, revealing that a period of intentional “temporary hardship” is on the horizon for American households. Rather than cautioning against it, Musk described this hardship as necessary and inevitable, supporting Trump’s blueprint for restructuring the economy by slashing government programs."

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By kebmo [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 23:56 other posts 
Michael Moore was on a CBC show called This Hour Has 22 Minutes.
He said that dual citizen Canadian/American vote three to one in favour of Democrats.
He said that there are more Americans living in Canada than all of Wyoming, Montana, Rhode Island, North Dakota or South Dakota.
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By phart [Ignore] 30,Oct,24 10:32 other posts 
Kinda sad they don't even live here and have input on who runs things.
By kebmo [Ignore] 30,Oct,24 10:58 other posts 
It's legal... and they file tax returns in the US and Canada.
By phart [Ignore] 30,Oct,24 16:58 other posts 
Odd, for a short time i had to pay some canadian income tax and I didn't get to vote in canada. that is taxation without representation.

If you earn income from canada, you don't pay US income tax on it,


By phart [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 18:35 other posts 
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A town with 3300 residents, gets 3000 illegal african immigrants dumped on it by the feds. They need help. why is this happening? Send them back!---------------------------------------


By phart [Ignore] 29,Oct,24 16:53 other posts 
florida ballots found in the middle of the road!!!!
Sheesh, and we are supposed to have confidence in the election process and the people handling the ballots can't close a tailgate???
Better watch this quick before the democrats remove it,to prevent people from finding out there are potential issues with the ballots.
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added after 77 minuteswouldn't you know, florida may be the issue with the election again. Remember the dimpled CHAD thing? now it's "let the ballots fall out of the truck into the road and get squashed.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 07:35 other posts 
Richest man on Earth and apparent "brilliant mind" hopping around on stage
for a failed president and felon. How the hell did we get here?
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By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 07:44 other posts 
Ask the folks in the North Carolina mountains, they will tell you. the government we have now is a bunch of fuckups.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 08:40 other posts 
Why the folks in the North Carolina mountains?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 10:36 other posts 
because most have been neglected during the crisis. Only for harris to come down and pat a few black people on the shoulder and leave, tennesee would be another good place to talk to voters. i think you will find they are pissed to.

Left standing with the few clothes on their backs and NOTHING else, on the sides of mountains waiting to be rescued to live a uncertain future. I feel for those people. just wish I was able to do more for them
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 11:13 other posts 
Are you talking about the recent hurricane?
I must admit I haven't followed much news about it.
Can you post an article about it?

Have you seen Elon talk at that rally? It's like he didn't even prepare for it.

About the voter ID in California; they are NOT banning voter ID, but Huntington Beach tried to pass a law, requiring voters to provide ID to vote, that is in conflict with state law and the California Constitution. They could count on it getting slapped down.
If their citizens don't agree, they should have tried to change state law first.
It's not the first time Elon is spreading misinformation.

Elon had criticized Jack Dorsey for making Twitter biassed in the past,
but Elon himself is an absolute gimp for Trump and Republican disinformation.

Accusing Democrats of being against free speech?
Elon is squashing free speech on X. Account suspensions on X have skyrocketed.
Just like Trump on Truth Social, any critical word against them is deleted/banned.

Elon is letting China spread their propaganda too.
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By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 13:11 other posts 
What did elon say that was wrong? He said we have a president that can't walk up a flight of stairs, and we had a President that got shot and stood back wanting to fight. Which would you logically want leading your country?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 17:16 other posts 
I just gave you two examples of what Elon said and why it was dishonest or dumb.
I did agree with him that Trump looked courageous that day.
He just didn't learn anything from it. Trump only focuses on him
and not on children in school who are in the same danger every day.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 13:15 other posts 
I posted several links for Kembos research on another thread that might help explain the hurricane thing. Only days after the government has been called out on their lousy ways have they finally started cleaning up their act and giving out cya storys on the media for their past behavior
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 17:28 other posts 
If it's even half as bad as Trump's reaction to the disaster in Puerto Rico,
then it's bad. But, of course we are now talking about 'real Americans'.

I am prepared to keep an open mind, but I see lots of Republicans and MAGA operatives trying to use this disaster to further their narratives. Some of them are claiming that Democrats control the weather and did willingly destroy the area, some are claiming that there isn't even a hurricane at all and it's all a false flag operation. There is no one left on your side who is actually objective anymore.
It's now 100% biassed, 100% of the time.

Meanwhile, Ron de Santis is sending the National Guard to the striking dock workers, instead of to help people who are suffering due to the hurricane.
What do you think the National Guard is intended for? I don't think they need to prioritize the profits of companies, who didn't raise the wages of their employees
for years, right now. Unless the dock workers are rioting, looting and killing,
the National Guard has no fucking business there.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 17:47 other posts 
Phart, I think you’re believing too much of what Fox News is saying. I seen on news nation several military officers saying that it is untrue, they were mad as hell in what people were saying. They said they have been there working since day one, thousands of reserves but can’t get to the back country yet because the roads and bridges are unpassable… and Ananas, your wrong about what national guard does, they do have business there helping people. Maybe you need to know the jobs that national guard does to help civilians recover in times of need. My father was a national guard officer w5 for 15 years.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,24 17:56 other posts 
I am getting my info from folks i know that are there. and other sources besides fox news. I only get blurbs from youtube and such as i don't have paid tv.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 02:49 other posts 
Are you getting your information from sources that are NOT funded by
dark money and right-wing organizations?

What's in the link that supports your previous claim?
"Ananas, your wrong about what national guard does, they do have business there helping people."

Ron DeSantis has send the National Guard to the striking dock workers. Why?
What business of helping people does the National Guard do
where the dock workers are striking?

The National Guard should be assigned to help hurricane victims.
Do you Agree?
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 03:54 other posts 
Not the way you put it moron.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 03:58 other posts 
Don’t blame the national guard, the governor makes the decisions. The national guard can help anyone who needs help, not just hurricane help--------------------------------------- added after 6 minutesI really don’t like governor desantis, but I think he’s doing a really good job preparing for hurricane and the needs of this state after the storm.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 04:29 other posts 
What are you basing that opinion on? Emergency response was preparing people even before the hurricane hit. Did Ron DeSantis do anything to organize that or are they just doing their jobs. Taking credit is easy.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 13:43 other posts 
The emergency response teams don’t enter a state without the approval of the governor, the governor controls the state not anyone else, you don’t know what your talking about anass
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Oct,24 09:59 other posts 
So doing a good job is just signing off on the emergency response teams entering? That's the lowest bar I ever heard.
Not the way I put WHAT? You don't agree that the National Guard
should be assigned to help hurricane victims?

Funny how you accuse me of being a moron, while you are unable to say
what you mean clearly.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 05:11 other posts 
That is the difference between you and I, I think everyone should help any victim of anything.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 06:11 other posts 
Everyone? Did you invite some victims who lost their home to the hurricane?

I do believe everyone should help every victim, but COLLECTIVELY.
That's part of why we pay taxes.

I also believe the government has a responsibility to reduce the risk of people becoming victims. That's why I support public money going to investments towards reducing carbon emissions; to ameliorate the effects of climate change, which is intensifying the frequency and strength of hurricanes,
due to the increasing temperatures of the oceans.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 08:20 other posts 
bad storms came along before the climate change thing got started. only registered users can see external links Audrey, that poor Studebaker Hawk,

as for collectivly, i have no issue with some help that way as not everyone can afford helicopters but gov should not prohibit individuals and companies from doing what they can either.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 09:38 other posts 
Put some actual statistics to it. The frequency and magnitude of hurricanes is increasing.

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The death toll of hurricanes is not a good statistic to compare hurricanes, because it depends on many other factors than just the magnitude of a tornado. A higher population would result in more deaths, but if the tornado misses the most populated areas, then you get less deaths. People living in old fashioned fragile houses are more at risk than people living in modern houses that are designed to withstand hurricanes. When more money is being spent on emergency response, more people can be saved from drowning or from their collapsed houses.
In my country, in 1953, 1.836 people died in a flood. That was the most lethal flood we ever had. That doesn't mean it was the worst storm we ever had. My country just invested hundreds of billions into strengthening of coastal defences, so we wouldn't drown when another storm like that or worse hits. My government is raising the budgets for coastal defence and water management, to account for climate change.
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Correction: hurricanes and tornadoes are not the same thing.
Read 'hurricane' where I wrote 'tornado'.
By PITBULL [Ignore] 25,Oct,24 13:30 other posts 
WHEN WE FIGHT WE WIN
By phart [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 08:11 other posts 
the strike happened before the storm. the national guard can be used to help in most any situation the governor see's fit to use them.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Oct,24 09:44 other posts 
And before the storm efforts to reduce damage were already ongoing.

Your next sentence would defend Democrats from doing the wrong things too.
They can assign whatever organization to help or not, as they see fit.
If they want to help illegals instead of Americans, does that argument stand?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 12,Oct,24 09:55 other posts 
Perhaps if the Republicans had upped the funds for FEMA as they said they needed, we would have better service. In Florida, where many congressmen are Republican and voted “NO” to up the funding for FEMA, are now breaking their necks to find excuses. Dumbasses.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,24 20:19 other posts 
is the entire bill up for viewing to see what the dems attached to it to get the repubs to say no? I am sure that is the dirty trick they pulled. Put some pork on it they knew the republicans wouldn't support and say no so they would look like the bad guys. time to quit the shit and put 1 item per bill.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 26,Oct,24 12:58 other posts 
All the Republicans had to do is introduce a clean bill. Then the tables would have been turned.
By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Oct,24 04:38 other posts 
Maybe the democrats should get rid of all the armed IRS agents that joe Biden hired for the sole purpose of going after trump then they would have the extra money to fund fema don’t you think
By CAT52! [Ignore] 26,Oct,24 13:01 other posts 
Yes, Joe Biden hired them. When will you jockers understand it DOESN'T work that way. If it did we wouldn't need Congress, the Supreme Court, or the regulating agencies. Ask the Clown.
By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Oct,24 14:43 other posts 
Well then let’s get rid of congress the supreme courts and the agencies that will save lots of money
By CAT52! [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 07:50 other posts 
Anarchy?
By dgraff [Ignore] 28,Oct,24 08:16 other posts 
The sons of anarchy
By tecsan [Ignore] 11,Oct,24 02:04 other posts 
Did you see that rabbit (yes probably rabid too) bitch introduce cumala?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Oct,24 03:13 other posts 
No, I have no idea who you're talking about and no interest to spend my time on finding out who you don't like this time. You dislike everyone on the other side,
so unless you have some specific grievance with her, there's no argument either.
By pkaboo3 [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 14:20 other posts 
Are you from North Carolina? Be warned- I am. Do educate me about my problems, Einstein. In the least spell fart right. Gonna troll? At least be good at it. Damn
By phart [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 15:21 other posts 
I can spell fart correctly, i spelled it that way to be humorous. You know what the issues are in your state, as I do mine. trolling? who is?
By pkaboo3 [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 15:29 other posts 
I do know what the situation is in my state. You spoke for my state. You still haven’t said a damn thing to make it right. People are turnimg down FEMA help in “my state” because of right wing nonsense. Want to debate? Let’s do it already. Stop bobbing and weaving. You spoke so boldly to begin with. Not my fault you have Trump bs to back you up
By phart [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 15:39 other posts 
Is 14 million bs?
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Peekaboo, is the correct way to spell your handle, but hey, you spelled it the way you wanted to and no one has spoke negative about it.
I spoke strongly about the issue because folks here from other countries only get what their media shows them, thus they make up their minds based on that, I shared stuff to show them it is not all peaches and cream with the government involved.
No one has explained yet either what good the max amount of 750 is going to do if you qualify to get the entire amount.
No home,no car,no nothing. but here is a pat on the back and 400 bucks, have a nice day citizen. explain it please
By pkaboo3 [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 15:42 other posts 
You spoke for the issues of my state. I called BS. Would call u a bs artist, but you’re no artist. This Trump nonsense is getting people hurt in the Asheville area and you’re part of the problem
By phart [Ignore] 14,Oct,24 15:48 other posts 
well, instead of getting all ill about it, show me something that verifies your side of things? and not something from the biden harris bunch, i would like to see local news cast and such, real people talking about turning down help and so on? I haven't saw anyone turning down actual help, what I have saw is people saying if the government wants to come in and slow everything down and insult people with "apply for aid online" when there is no internet, and the victims computers are somewhere down river.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 11:01 other posts 
How Republicans Who Voted Against FEMA Funding Reacted to Hurricane Helene
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By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Oct,24 04:45 other posts 
Well well well yet another liberal crawls out of the wood pile
Back in yer box muppet we will call you when it’s liberal bashing time and here i thought you were a good guy turns out you’re just another part of the virus 🦠
By dgraff [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 09:05 other posts 
What is wrong with that it’s a trump rally people come to a trump rally to have fun we don’t sit around in suits and tie seeing who can tell the best lie we wear Harley shirts and a trump hat we celebrate the way America 🇺🇸 once was and we dream about it being that way again we drink beer and hoot and holler we chant democrats suck hell if it wasn’t for the security in place we might even shoot guns in the air when is the last time you had some fun oh I forgot your government don’t allow you to have fun
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 09:19 other posts 
If you do that, no problem. If Elon Musk does that, problem!
Why do you think I'm a socialist; I don't want idiots like him
to control the working place for so many people.
He is allowed to fill space with satellites. I have a problem with that.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 09:26 other posts 
what good is that empty space if we don't use it? And besides, do you think if we stopped using space that the chinese and russians would stop to? Hell no,they would ramp up their actions. We need to make use of all available resources to make life better for US IN THE USA . we have the tech, let's use it
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 09:56 other posts 
I have no problem with the concept, I just don't want private individuals to do that.
He's now controlling satellites that are important to the military and international conflicts. The people should have a say in that, democratically.
It's not YOU who is using it, it's Elon Musk.
Do you understand that thinking at all? Or is it completely strange to you?
By dgraff [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 09:54 other posts 
Let Elon have his fun im glad he’s rooting for trump he has the money to pull a win for trump if he feels like dancing around on stage far be it for me to say anything as long as he gets his check book out I have a whole waist paper basket full of trump flyers and pamphlets that I received in the mail and only 2 for cumala what are the democrats doing with all the money they raised certainly not using it to advertise
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 10:03 other posts 
If it's just harmless fun, I wouldn't care.
Understand that you can only put so much in space, before the risk of all that shit slamming together gets too high. Then hundreds of pieces of shrapnel are flying around, damaging other satellites. That can cause a chain reaction that can destroy all satellites in a year or so and make space unusable for decades to hundreds of years. The orbit around earth is too important. That's why I want (inter)national space agencies to decide it globally, not some dumb-ass like Elon Musk.
If he was a supporter of Democrats, I would trust his intelligence more, but still not enough to let him do things like this.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 10:27 other posts 
government has to much self imposed red tape to cut before anything viable can come of it's actions.
Private enterprise like Musk, can get investors together and put things up in space that work much sooner, and much cheaper than the government.
I think he is doing a great job and frankly, it would suit me if ALL space actions were private ,remove government from it entirely. Had obama not took away our space shuttle program, it's grapple could have retrieved and brought back alot of the old satellites and they could have been studied or put in museums but no, he took away the only practical reusable space craft nasa had.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 10:43 other posts 
Omaba cut their funding by 20%. The Bush administration accepted the board's recommendations and announced that the shuttle would be retired in 2010.

Red tape is just a derogatory term for rules and regulations.
It's intended to protect people. Private enterprise doesn't care about
protecting people, it only cares about profits.

Private enterprise is only interested in "space actions", when they are commercially interesting. It might invest in satellites for navigation or weather services, but it doesn't care much for science. That's why I want the government to spend money on it.

Picking up satellites with the space shuttle is incredibly expensive.
It's easy to solve the space trash problem; just make it obligatory to put in a
return to earth system, for when the satellite is at the end of its usefulness.
(I'm not talking about a safe landing, just burning up in the atmosphere)
That's much cheaper than a space shuttle to go retrieve them.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 11:40 other posts 
there is alot of gold and precious metals in satellites that could be recycled.

You think private enterprise doesn't care about people.
Without people they don't have a enterprise.
Without people they can't profit because they can't produce.

So why would they deliberately make things unsafe?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 12:04 other posts 
The Space Shuttle program averaged about $1.5 billion per launch.
That's a value worth 38,389 pounds of gold; not economically feasible.
That gold will rain down back to earth, it's not destroyed.

They DON'T deliberately make things unsafe, they just chose profit over safety.

Ever heard the story of the Fort Pinto? Instead of recalling the Pinto to put in
an $11 part, Ford decided it'd be cheaper to settle any wrongful death suits.
That's how much private enterprise cares about people.

But that wasn't the main point. With the Pinto, Ford was directly liable for damages to people. They calculated that the profits outweighed their damages. When the risk is not theirs, but to society as a whole, their profit always outweighs THEIR risk, which is far less than OUR risk. So they will take their short term profit and leave the likely resulting damage to society.

You understand this when it comes to nuclear power. The owners make the profit
and if shit hits the fan, the people will pay for the damages, not them.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 13:51 other posts 
I am willing to bet had Nasa turned over the space shuttle program to Musk, it would be much cheaper to operate, safer and more efficient.
The point you may be missing is the government has no motivation to be efficient, no motivation to be economical, no motivation to improve, because they have a endless pool of tax dollars to operate from. A idea fails, oh well, let's try this. no harm no loss.
Where as a private company, is motivated to be profitable ,efficient, and to improve and streamline process's by the very thing you hate, PROFIT. Without profit, the company loose's investors, and goes tits up.So in the long run, the people actually get more for their money from private enterprise than the government
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 15:25 other posts 
You might be right that private enterprise can be more efficient, but that efficiency only serves their needs. Whatever benefits are created through that efficiency ends up in the pockets of the owners of the private enterprise, not to benefit the customers or the public in general.

What is Elon Musk doing with his space program? He's flying around wealthy people. That's useless to me. He might advance the space program to put people on Mars. That's useless to me too. It's science, which might be useful to some other advancements, but it doesn't advance knowledge about the universe.

Elon Musk is not just using private investments, he's using a lot of tax dollars too.

I think the only thing Elon Musk is doing is creating an escape plan for a few wealthy people, after they have destroyed Earth. Instead of putting trillions of dollars to that goal, I prefer to use it to actually prevent Earth's destruction.

I don't hate profit, I just hate when it all ends up in the pockets of a few people who did nothing for it. You want private ownership that creates private benefits and more private ownership, while you don't benefit from that system yourself.
I want public ownership that creates public benefits and more public ownership, that we all benefit from.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 18:05 other posts 
OK, then who just sent a space craft up to the space station to pick up stranded staff members when nasa's shit smoked up?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,Oct,24 04:05 other posts 
Did I say he CANNOT do it?
I am making an argument that he SHOULD NOT do it.

Are you not able to understand me? Or just unwilling?
By dgraff [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 17:55 other posts 
Then you should talk to your government and see if they will spend the money to clean it up
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 16,Oct,24 18:30 other posts 
Musk owns 49% of spacex but nasa and other private companies funded spacex to pick up the astronauts. Musk didn’t do it out of the goodness of his heart. It was paid in full by nasa and other companies affiliated with nasa. NASA isn’t receiving the funds from our government to allow them to spend the money to pick up the astronauts, blame the congress who is in charge of appropriations on spending for this budget.
My government has put only one or a few satellites in orbit.
My government invests money on space exploration, REAL SCIENCE,
but also cooperates with ESA to use the orbit of Earth responsibly.

Why should we spend money to clean up your shit?
By dgraff [Ignore] 17,Oct,24 05:01 other posts 
Simple
Because you are the one bitching about it
Me i don’t care what is floating around up there
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,Oct,24 07:46 other posts 
I just sent my government €100 to clean up space. So sorry!
By dgraff [Ignore] 17,Oct,24 09:10 other posts 
By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,24 04:47 other posts 
That was a waste ananas2xlekker.
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Oct,24 05:37 other posts 
Check out walz flailing around on stage. Do you know any nannys you set up with dougy?

Damn tampon tim cannot keep his arms from flailing around.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Oct,24 14:46 other posts 
Are you kidding? He's doing what Trump used to do,
when his mind wasn't cooked so much yet, but better.


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