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Started by JustWill [Ignore] 28,Jul,16 14:08  other posts
I'm thinking four.
The first one is just experimentation...to see what it's like.
The second can be seen as an attempt to gather a bit more data.
The third blowjob is simply to confirm the results of the test and determine whether or not you really like sucking cock.
Number four, though, makes it official.

Sucking that fourth dick earns you your membership card, and you can expect the club T-shirt to arrive in the mail in seven to ten days.

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By Sfax#17 [Ignore] 24,Mar,24 00:31 other posts 
I don't think that it's a quantitative evaluation at all. Sucking cock is an homosexual act. You were attracted to it, and you did it. It doesn't make you "homosexual," you just performed an homosexual act. If you enjoyed it, and it becomes habitual, then, you may decide that you're gay. Or, of you still like heterosex, you may qualify as bi.

By Bicockwhore [Ignore] 10,Mar,24 15:07 other posts 
One dick down my throat and I know I was a faggot I love dick I love let men have gay sex with me

By SexyboytoyzMtl [Ignore] 17,Oct,23 16:34 other posts 

By #546418 17,Dec,17 08:15
Being gay or bi isn't about sucking dicks it's about whether what the dick is attached to makes you hard and does pussy make you hard. Straight people can have gay sex and like it. They aren't gay or even bi unless they physically and emotionally attracted to men. It's more about the state of mind than the act. Some straight people just know that it's always better to cum with someone else.

I'm bi, but I'll take the card and the teeshirt, thanks
By #64328 17,Dec,17 10:40
I totally agree. When I get extremely hornd up just about anything goes and almost all of us would or have done things that are considered gay or bi. but it doesnt make us not love women too. Emotionally i love women but sexually is all great
By JustWill [Ignore] 17,Dec,17 11:25 other posts 
Straight people CAN have gay sex and like it, however, the fact that they are having gay sex indicates that they aren't really straight.
By definition, a guy sucking another guy's dick is a homosexual act. (Homo means 'like' or 'same')
The whole "it only matters if you get emotionally attached" stuff is just a rationale invented by bisexual people who are ashamed of their bisexuality.
By #546418 18,Dec,17 12:59
There is a difference between a homosexual act and being a homosexual or bisexual. Sexuality is a psychological state, not an act. If you are not physically attracted to both men and women than you are not bisexual no matter how much sex you have with both genders.

From an American Psychology Association Q&A

What is sexual orientation?
Sexual orientation refers to an enduring
pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual
attractions to men, women, or both sexes.
Sexual orientation also refers to a personís
sense of identity based on those attractions,
related behaviors, and membership in
a community of others who share those

-https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.pdf under headiing What is Sexual Orientation?
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I am mildly physically and emotionally attracted to other men, therefore I am bisexual. Even if I never acted on it, or only looked at solo women or lesbian or even no porn, and never fantasised about another man, whatever I would still be bisexual by definition because I am attracted to other men.
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If a man had sex with another man and that attraction was absent and they only did it because it felt good and sex is fun, then he would not be bisexual. This is because he is not sexually attracted to men physically, emotionally, or in some other way. This goes for both genders and both hetero and homosexual orientations. If it was a gay man having sex with a woman even though he is not attracted to her this not make him bi, he would still be gay.

Just to be clear I am personally openly and unashamedly bisexual and always have been, though I also live in a place where there isn't any stigma attached to it and if anyone would try to shame me for it I haven't met them in the 20 or so years I've been open about being sexually active with other men. I have no political or moral intent. I'm just showing you that technically you are wrong.
By JustWill [Ignore] 18,Dec,17 13:28 other posts 
That's playing with semantics just a bit. The penis is a male organ. Females don't have them. The penis is, therefore, a symbol of masculinity. If a guy keeps going back to get more dick, he obviously has a sexual attraction to that aspect of 'maleness'.

By the 'I just like dicks, but am not attracted to men so I am not bi/gay' theory, what percentage of the male anatomy do you have to be attracted to in order to qualify as bi/gay?

What if you are turned-on by penises AND testicles? How about if you find men's butts to be kinda sexy?
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My comment was posted BEFORE you added the "I am mildly physically attracted to other men..." part of your post. That's not the part I was speaking about when I talked about playing with semantics.
By #546418 18,Dec,17 14:13
I'm not playing with semantics. I'm citing what people who spend their entire lives researching this sort of thing in the psychological field, you know people with PhDs who are smarter than you or I are saying. Well maybe not I

You are probably mildly bisexual like I am, because you are attracted to at least one male primary or secondary sex characteristic. I am mostly attracted to penises and rarely other parts, though I would and have pursued romantic relationships with men in the past. Generally secondary sex charistics like body shape, beards, boobs, shape of butts, stuff like that are considered more than genitals, but everyone is different. Usually the line between monosexuality (straight/gay) and bisexuality blurs the closer you get to it, I've said I'm both straight and bi in the past as it took me a while to figure it out. And you don't have to be sexually attracted to something to like it. I fooled around with a few straight friends in my youth, still do actually. When I discussed it with one recently he said it was because it's fun and feels good. However, he doesn't see it as anything different from playing video games with me, and I can tell there's no romantic interest or anything like that, it's hey lets get off together because I'm bored and or horny.

All that said, you can call yourself whatever you want. Even when I called my self straight or some other random labels like straight plus, or whatever others, I would often tell people I'm bi because it requires less explanation.

Sorry for the TL;DR, I'm just explaining how it works on a more technical psychological level. I find this sort of thing fascinating psychology and philosophy and shit. Actually from a young age learning about how sex works on a biological and psychological level has been arousing for me. Ever since I read about how the anatomy works in a university biology textbook when I was 9, horny, and would get off to anything even remotely related to genitals. Guess I have a knowledge fetish
By JustWill [Ignore] 18,Dec,17 14:48 other posts 
I totally understand your "knowledge fetish" because I have one, too.
By #64328 18,Dec,17 15:54
I agree. I dont relate as homosexual but have done homosexual acts growing up and a few time as an adult.All were exciting fun times. If every guys that did these things where labeled homosexual it would probably be out half of the male population. rather than labels can we agree all men ore just very horny and just about everything can be a turn on?
By thebeewolf [Ignore] 12,Nov,22 19:33 other posts 
I agree 100%. I'm not attracted to men in any way. Never have been, never will be. But I did discover how good some men are at sucking cock and that they were willing to do it no-strings-attached, I got into getting blown on the DL. It was weird at first, having a guy go down on me. it still is, to be honest. But if I just close my eyes and think of Scarlett Johansson everything works out great.

But the point is, I'm not bi. Not the way I figure it.

By MilaBoobs [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 12:09 other posts 
men should suck nipples of tits, not dicks
By JustWill [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 12:37 other posts 
Babies should suck nipples on tits. That's how they eat.
Sucking titty-nipples serves no purpose for a full-grown man, so it is a waste of time...
By MilaBoobs [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 12:40 other posts 
oh it excites men a lot to suck my nipples and it gets me very wet and horny
By JustWill [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 12:41 other posts 
However, I suspect that gay men don't find your titty-nipples to be that exciting...
By #275407 10,Nov,22 19:09
I'm bi and I don't find sucking nipples exciting, I'm a pussy kind of guy
By Dev01 [Ignore] 11,Nov,22 01:32 other posts 
But how do we cure it ?
By Dev01 [Ignore] 11,Nov,22 01:32 other posts 
By #275407 11,Nov,22 18:40
Dev, I think I heard that there was a shot you can get that cures being gay
By Dev01 [Ignore] 11,Nov,22 23:32 other posts 

By #643265 10,Nov,22 11:22
Being gay is about love not sex,I have never fallen in love with a man,but I have had sex with them
By PITBULL [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 11:51 other posts 
Agree with you Danuss. The love between 2 men is the best.
By JustWill [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 12:40 other posts 
I disagree.
Being gay is about ATTRACTION, not LOVE.
Unless, of course, you are one of those guys who falls in love with every dick he sucks...
By #275407 10,Nov,22 19:12
I agree with justwill, also I think most gay guys are just out for a one nighter, it's all about sex,,, my opinion
By bella! [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 19:34 other posts 
Hmmmm.....you think that gay men are mainly "loosey-goosey", that they're only interested in sex with as many men as possible and are not interested in a committed/monogamous relationship? That might be a good question for a future poll.
By #275407 10,Nov,22 20:19
If I had to make an uneducated guess, I would say 75% were out just for sex, and 25% were looking for a relationship,,, just my opinion.
By JustWill [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 22:30 other posts 
Okay, I am going to try and forget that you actually posted "loosey-goosey" in my thread.
By JustWill [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 22:26 other posts 
Isn't that true about straight guys, too? I mean. gay or straight, guys are still guys...
By #275407 11,Nov,22 04:30
Most of the girls that I had sex with I had a long relationship with them. And I can honestly say, when I was younger, all of the guys I've been with was just for sex. Yes, I've found a few guys that I thought was attractive, but I've never dated any of them.

By up-for-it [Ignore] 11,Nov,22 02:16 other posts 

I knew i was gay before i even sucked a dick or had any sexual contact with a man

There are plenty of gay men who do not like sucking dick and some haven't done that for years after trying. Sucking dick or any other sexual act is not what makes one gay.

I know a guy who doesn't like having sex but he lives with a guy and they are a gay couple and are known so;

Being gay is not just what you do but more how you feel
By routemaster [Ignore] 11,Nov,22 04:02 other posts 
A perfect response

By PITBULL [Ignore] 10,Nov,22 11:50 other posts 
just one dick you suck will make you officially gay. You will be sucking some more dicks after the first one.

By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jun,22 03:14 other posts 
Again 'ONE'.
By JustWill [Ignore] 24,Jun,22 09:50 other posts 
You might have known from your first, but other folks might need a couple just to make sure.
Good on you, though, that you are that self-aware...
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jun,22 21:12 other posts 
Never done it, sorry that is how self-aware I am.

By knewbi [Ignore] 25,Jan,21 12:21 other posts 
As long as you still desire pussy you are bi and not gay... At least that is my take on it...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Jan,21 12:31 other posts 
I agree. It would be more interesting to ask how many cocks a guy can suck before he cannot keep up he is straight any more. I would say at least a few, unless he made a profession of it.
By knewbi [Ignore] 25,Jan,21 13:30 other posts 
Yep, when a guy no longer wants pussy too that is when I would think he is gay. Now I have about 15 cocks that I have sucked. Some many times but I still love pussy and tits...
By spermkiss [Ignore] 25,Jan,21 15:03 other posts 
Hey, I'm gay, Gay, GAY and I like pussy.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jan,22 06:17 other posts 
Are you also sexually attracted to women?
Because than, by the official definition, you're bisexual.
By spermkiss [Ignore] 07,Jan,22 15:53 other posts 
I didn't know that there was an "official definition" of bisexual.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Jan,22 19:20 other posts 
"sexually attracted to both men and women"
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"a) see usage paragraph below : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex and of the opposite sex also : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's own gender identity and of other gender identities
b) biology : possessing characters of both sexes and especially both male and female reproductive structures : hermaphroditic"
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"Sexual activity with, or sexual attraction to, members of both sexes."
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"Bisexuality is a broad and inclusive term that describes physical attraction, romantic attraction, or sexual behavior that is not limited to one sex. In the scientific language of sexual orientation, bisexuality encompasses both heterosexual (different sex) and homosexual (same-sex) attraction or behavior. In everyday language, depending on the speakerís culture, background, and politics, that translates into a variety of popular definitions such as:
Attraction to men and women
Attraction to same and other genders
Attraction to all sexes or genders
Love beyond gender
Attraction regardless of sex or gender"
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So there is some variation in the definition of bisexual(ity). Are there definitions
that exclude you?
By JustWill [Ignore] 08,Jan,22 09:59 other posts 
The definitions are as fluid as human sexuality is.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jan,22 18:40 other posts 
Maybe in the US, but the definition of 'bisexuality' has been constant in The Netherlands, since I had sexual education at age 13, 35 years ago. It was taught as 'sexual attraction to members of both sexes' and I've never heard any other definition ever, in The Netherlands.

There are off course blurry borders in the scale from straight, to bisexual, to gay/lesbian, but I really don't understand the confusion about the meaning.

So if a guy says 'I'm gay, but I am attracted to women too' (which is not exactly what spermkiss said, but it's an example), than I say that according to the generally accepted definition (at least in The Netherlands), he's not gay, but bisexual. And if a guy says "I'm straight and I love women, but I also love sucking cock and a handsome man gives me a boner", than I say that he's not straight but bisexual.

So even if a guy never had sex with a woman and he has sucked and fucked hundreds of guys, but he still knows he's sexually attracted to women, he's bisexual according to the definition I know.
By JustWill [Ignore] 09,Jan,22 12:52 other posts 
I don't disagree with you.
The definition of "bisexuality" is EXACTLY how you state it.
Unfortunately, a large number of 'bisexual by definition' folks seem to desperately need to muddle things up by creating a massive and shifting scale to define their own sexuality along the gay/straight continuum.
Apparently, "bisexual' is too GAY for some people and too STRAIGHT for others.
These are also the same people who are constantly crying: "Why do we have to label everything?"
Which is sort of why I started this whole thread to begin with. Like most of the stuff I post here, it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek and a poke at all of the "I'm totally straight but love to suck dick" that were showing up in the forum at the time.
Also, do not get me started on "heteroflexible"--an idiotic term which was being tossed around in these parts not so long ago. "Heteroflexible", it seems, means the exact same thing as "bisexual" but, because it is a different word and has "hetero" in it, it is much better!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Jan,22 04:19 other posts 
You started a good discussion, that's for sure.

Years ago, I befriended a colleague and years later I discovered that he was very homophobic. He once said that he didn't like porn with closeups of girls sucking dick, because it would make you gay.
He grew up in a tiny village in the rural part of our country, so his homophobic nature was probably bred from youth. I somewhat suspected he wasn't totally straight and had problems accepting it. Once in the last night shift, when discussions regularly turned raunchy and the two girls in the team would definitely have had reasons to condemn all the guys for sexually transgressive behavior, but fortunately they allowed and participated a lot, he asked all the guys if they would suck their own cock if they could. Several admitted they tried, but couldn't. I admitted I tried and could. I didn't go into detail, but my team was much intrigued. One guy called me 'pornstar' after that for years, but luckily they kept it in the team (at least the explanation for it).
I think he was also intrigued, because started that subject again publicly several times, where I was defensive to keep it under control, but he never talked about it with me personally. Our friendship continued for years after he quit his job for another, but we never talked about what I think were repressed sexual urges, actually from the both of us.

I think he had a lot of other repressed feelings, he never confided me with, because he committed suicide years later. The last I heard from him was a phone call, in which he talked about moving back to the area where he was born (about 180 miles from us) and find a job there. He was sort of saying goodbye, but I said we could visit him there and he would always be welcome to stay over.
He actually sounded upbeat, so I never imagined there was something wrong, but we found out weeks later he hang himself. No one informed us, because we never had any connection with his family. Afterwards I did blame myself for not seeing some signs. Maybe I could have helped him.
He was a very closed off person. It's why we connected, because I am too, but I could never imagine being as closed off as he turned out to be. I'm not just still sad, but also still shocked about it. In this day and age, there is no need to repress so much of your feelings.
By #463848 23,Jun,22 04:18
A sensible response. I would add that the definition ought to be a personal one; i.e. how the male feels about his lifestyle and particularly if his only sexual activity is with another male.
That said, there are some males who are of an age that has made them realise that sex with females is too complicated and who prefer to get sexual activity with a male (if possible).
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jun,22 10:36 other posts 
The problem with personal definitions is that other people don't understand them. It's already difficult to understand all the letters in lgbtqia+, so let's at least use them consistently. I don't think the 't' stands for 'tired of females making sex complicated'.
By spermkiss [Ignore] 25,Jan,21 15:02 other posts 
"...made a profession of it..."

An interesting thread. I once picked up a guy on the cruise block downtown. Or more correctly he picked me up. I spotted him first time around and knew right away that he was a hustler. The second time around he got in my car without any encouragement from me. Right up front I made it clear that I wouldn't pay him and he said that was OK. I think he really wanted to get off the street. Perhaps the police had been on him.

Chatting with him back at my house I learned that he was 32 years old and had been hustling since he was 16, half of his life. He spotted some handicraft items that I made and went ape over them. So I gave him one and he said he was going to give it to his girlfriend.

Then he said "Now I'm going to thank you." With that he took out his upper plate and gave me a gum job the likes of which I never had before or since. I wonder if he told his girlfriend what he did to get her gift.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Jan,21 06:49 other posts 
Interesting story. I have actually never seen a male prostitute in the Netherlands.
I have visited the main red light districts in The Hague and Amsterdam a few times
(as a tourist, not as a customer) and except for all the girls, I've seen no men and
only one transvestite. The girls attracted me a lot, but I was even more intrigued
with that one transvestite. I'm sure there must be male prostitutes in the Netherlands,
but I don't know how and where they offer their services.

I guess you use the same definitions for sexual orientation as I do, which is just following the official definitions:
- Heterosexual (straight): Sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex.
- Bisexual: Sexually attracted to people of both sexes.
- Homosexual (gay or lesbian): Sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.

Therefore, I don't think anyone checks either box just from their sexual activities.
The only question that checks any box is: "To what sex(es) are you sexually attracted?"

So if you say: "I'm GAY and I like pussy", I think you mean you are only or mostly sexually attracted to other man, but you also like pussy. Many might consider you bisexual from that statement, but I agree with you that being attracted to one or both sex organs is not the same as being attracted to the sex of the whole person.
So I consider myself to be straight, because I am attracted to women. When a woman is dressed in revealing clothes or she bends over in tight jeans/short skirt or I get an(un)intentional upskirt or downblouse view, that sends a signal to my heart to pump up the beat and send blood to one specific place. However, I can't remember any straight guy ever having that effect on me, no matter how handsome, regardless of what clothes he's wearing, either in underwear in dressing rooms or nude in the sauna. My maximum reaction to any handsome guy might be some admiration (of his hard work) or some envy (without any intention to do the same hard work).

However I checked the box for bisexual here, because I do like sexual acts that are
not considered 100% straight, I am very attracted to transvestites and transsexuals and I do fantasize about sucking cock (other than my own). That is considered bisexual by many people.
By spermkiss [Ignore] 28,Jan,21 12:35 other posts 
So many interesting threads to pursue here. Let's begin with the Netherlands and male prostitution.

I've never been to The Hague but I've been to Amsterdam twice. Of course I had to see the legendary red light district. What struck me most was how clean and wholesome it was. The streets were clean and litter free and it looked like any other business district. Except the business was sex. Looking around at the people on the street, of course there were single gentlemen who were there to look over the wares on display and to perhaps avail themselves of the professional services being offered. But there were also couples there on dates. Couples of all ages from teenagers to senior citizens and everything in between. There were also families with small children. It looked like Disneyland with whores. I could just visualize one of those little girls turning to her mother and saying "Oh mommy, I want to be a whore when I grow up."

Like you I have heard that in the red light district there are now "window boys" in addition to "window girls", but I didn't see any. But I cannot imagine that male prostitution does not exist in the Netherlands. Hell, it exists all over the world. There is nothing to stop a gay man from selling his body and I'm sure many find it exciting. (More about this in the next paragraph.) There are also a lot of ostensibly straight men who will engage in sex with other men for money. (Gay for pay.) Often they will only assume inserter roles, the most frequent being the hustler allowing the gay man to suck him off. But for the right amount of money, nothing is off the table. Or in the case of the guy I took home, no money at all, just a handmade handicraft item. Another thing I'll note about that encounter is the he never took off his pants and wasn't even crazy about me feeling his cock thru his pants. He was just giving me oral service. He approached it in a very businesslike way like a short order cook preparing the perfect eggs over easy. He was very good at oral service and I could tell he had done it before.

Now about gay men prostituting themselves, I once had an encounter with a gentleman whose mother was a whore. He grew up in a whorehouse and he thought paying or getting paid for sex was totally normal and natural. It wasn't like he just blurted this out in the first five minutes, but it came out in bits and pieces over the course of our afternoon together. I didn't pay him anything nor did he expect me to (our encounter was for fun, not profit), but he was quite candid in saying that being paid added a layer of excitement. "I'm going to have sex anyway, why not get paid for it?"
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Jan,21 15:44 other posts 
The red light district in Amsterdam is indeed such a touristic attraction, that it hurts the business going on there. Any people having a day in Amsterdam end up there. I've been there with my girlfriend and we also visited the sex museum. We've visited Soho in London as well. We once went to the Kamasutra sex fair with friends once too. It's all very relaxed and once there shame is not a problem. Most people in The Netherlands are open about these things. Families also go to Pink Saturday with their children. However, a colleague accidentally ended up there with his children and he did not like that at all. And most parents wouldn't like their children to become prostitutes either. Maybe not about the sex itself, but also about the safety, the lack of long term prospects and the lack of a pension plan
There is now a TV program on called 'Ik word prostituee', which means 'I become a prostitute'. only registered users can see external links

I have nothing against prostitution and I want it completely legalized and normalized, but I've never wanted to pay for sex myself. That's primarily because of my personal inhibitions. I have paid for a few personal sex shows, that were all initiated by friends, when we went to the sex shops in Rotterdam.

I like your stories. How long ago have you been in The Netherlands and how long did you stay?
By spermkiss [Ignore] 28,Jan,21 19:03 other posts 
A quick reply and then more later.

The first time in Amsterdam was just overnight about six or eight years ago. We were going to a safari vacation and the tour operator offered a break in the travel with an overnight in Amsterdam. Which is a good thing because it's roughly 25 hours from the west coast of North America to most places in Africa. The second time was four years ago for three days before boarding a ship for a cruise vacation.

As for the safety of prostitution, yes there is risk, especially for those who work the streets. But the window girls in the red light district are working in a pretty safe environment. The rooms are closely monitored and if any client gets abusive there will be bouncers on him in a heartbeat. He'll probably face criminal charges. That's the beauty of legalized prostitution. Where it is illegal the sex worker finds it hard to make a complaint for fear of being prosecuted herself.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jan,21 07:46 other posts 
Four days in Amsterdam gives a pretty good impression of Amsterdam. It doesn't show much about the rest of The Netherlands though. It's off course our biggest city and I prefer smaller calmer cities. Every time I've been to one of our big cities,
I think "That was fun, but I'm glad to be home."

The Netherlands does have a tendency to not completely legalize, but condone. So, the prostitution itself is legal, but many of the girls are migrants from Eastern Europe and even some illegal immigrants. They get taken advantage off a lot. However that also happens in greenhouse jobs.
We also have legalized the using and selling of weed, but not the production of weed. So that leaves much criminal activity.
There are tests with legal production of weed, but it's all to slow and weak for my taste. The ideas about prostitution are not heading in the right direction. The government is talking about forbidding it, even from some of the left, because it's considered misogynistic. I disagree with that completely and I am convinced prohibiting prostitution will just make the life of many women much worse.

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