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POLITICS...Pertaining to the United States of America.

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 13,Sep,22 03:10  other posts
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Jun,23 05:07 other posts 
Funny how right-wingers, who have been livid about Social Justice Warriors,
caring about the companies that make their products, have now turned into
Social INJustice Warriors, who are hyper-focused about the companies that
make their products. They want the companies to be conservative, god-fearing
bigots and racists, disrespecting people's freedom to be who they want to be,
love who they want to love, and if anyway possible exploit as many brown children
as slaves in poor countries as possible, to make what you buy cheaper.
Way to go guys, nice ethics you got there!

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By phart [Ignore] 15,Jun,23 10:16 other posts 
The way things are done in other countries is absolutely none of our business. Work practices,pay, none of that is our bussiness unless it is within OUR borders, and besides, even here,if you think it is to little of a wage, get another job.

If they put kids to work in china, at least they aren't living in poverty as much as if they weren't. IF the product is cheaper for us then that is good for US. America first.
Sure it may sound cold to you, but reality is more important and more relevant than theories and ideas.
Right now America needs affordable energy, affordable food and other products. We can't achieve that goal without imports because of Americans demanding 30 dollars a hour to serve coffee. And yes I did read about some woman on tictok thinking she deserved 30 bucks and hour for serving coffee.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Jun,23 10:47 other posts 
If it's done by a company that you buy products from, you are maintaining slave labor. And you show your hand by saying that you care more about America needing affordable energy, affordable food and other products, than kids put to work.
It's pure selfishness against people who have no energy, hardly any food and nothing much else. It's not 'woke' to care about other human beings, it's just being human.

But instead of boycotting the products of the worst abusive companies, you lot now care very much about boycotting the companies that try to suck a bit less or just advertise themselves as sucking a bit less, aka reverse SJW's.

I don't care about some tiktok video from some woman, that's just anecdotes, but;
If serving coffee doesn't provide a wage to live on, then pour your own fucking coffee, because that job is useless. If a job doesn't add anything worthwhile enough for society to provide the one doing it with a living wage, I say cut that job and let the one doing it do something more worthwhile for society. Fuck every 'job provider' that doesn't provide a living wage for their jobs. If they cannot pay enough, they should be out of business.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Jun,23 12:31 other posts 
Being human is helping my neighbor. If you help your neighbor next door,then he helps his, then eventually it will get around the world. But I can't sit here and watch my neighbors suffer and not do anything but then,pay way more money for a product simply to defy another COUNTRY's hiring practices.
that is counter productive.

We both agree that a child needs to be in school and not a work place. Common sense to us. But it is not common to folks in other countries and cultures. We can't push our ways on them. None of our business.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Jun,23 03:30 other posts 
True, if we all help each other, the world will become a better place.
However, it's a very slow process and it is fully impaired by the choices that we make economically and politically.

We are pushing our ways on them, by helping their dictators to stay in power, stripping their countries of their natural resources and exploiting them for cheap labor. That's done by the oil industry, mining companies, big agricultural companies and banks, who get your permission to exploit people, by you voting for Republicans, who support those companies in their exploitation, because the donate money to them.

And they don't just exploit far away poor countries, they do it in your own country too. Republicans want to strip even more regulation for safe working environments, safe water, safe food, training hours for pilots and probably every regulation that might prevent the next train filled with poison derailing in some neighborhood.
Can you help your neighbors to not get poisoned or killed on the job?
Yes, you can, by not voting for Republicans. It's all your business.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Jun,23 07:12 other posts 
Many moons ago,what you are saying made sense. But now regulations have gotten so strict that humans do very little actual work. and that is costly for all the mechanical means to make that so. cutting into profits. It is not going to hurt a person to lift 20 pounds a few times a hour. a 2000 dollar hydraulic lift is not needed. but regulations would probably make it needed .that cost money. People have gotten lazy and wimpy
By #610414 16,Jun,23 20:04
Excuse me but there are plenty of jobs that require being able to lift 60 to 80 pounds to be hired. UPS comes to mind.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Jun,23 21:03 other posts 
Well, I would assume only able bodied people need apply then?
By #610414 16,Jun,23 21:53
I guess.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jun,23 09:01 other posts 
Why should a company hire a 84 pound weakling to lift 70 pounds all day? Knowing they can't do it safely? Common sense.
By #610414 17,Jun,23 09:59
I'm just commenting on your post,
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jun,23 10:28 other posts 
Well think about that for a moment though.
A person NOT able to lift 70 pounds more than a couple times applies for a job at UPS. 1, if denied the job, they file a lawsuit for discrimination. Costing the company money,
2, they get hired, hurt themselves and file claims and lawsuits demanding a robot to lift the items.
3, they simply throw the packages in a roadside ditch, strike and want more money. and GET IT somehow.
4, simply take the job and complain all day.

UPS has been around a LONG time. Kinda hard to say honestly that you had no idea it required lifting and driving a large aluminum box on wheels that would be impossible to air condition to a pleasant 68 degrees because the doors fly open all the time and insolation adds weight to the truck making it less safe.

Regulations and laws by our government open up all these chances for problems for the company.
UPS should simply be able to require a applicant to be able to do the job. and be protected from stupid people.

Just using UPS as a example,this would apply to most jobs.
By #610414 10,Aug,23 18:46
You can't sue a company if they turn you down for not being able to do the work. It would be thrown out of court.
I did and I do know the lifting requirements of UPS. There was a time UPS would not pick up a package that weighed more than 50 lbs.
The cab of those trucks can be air conditioned without adding much, if, any insulation. The reason they don’t is because of the gas savings. Over the course of one year, all those thousands of trucks saving gas can amount to millions of dollars.
By tecsan [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 02:16 other posts 
2,000$ + to install air conditioning in those trucks and I beleive I may be on the low end here. I very seriously doubt that gas savings had much play here.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 06:09 other posts 
Sometimes providing a better workplace should get priority over carbon emissions. Those people have a tough job, especially when it's hot outside. Employees who are tired or stressed are less efficient and make more mistakes. The increase in efficiency and reduction of mistakes will likely compensate for the investment.
By #610414 11,Aug,23 09:15
That’s true, but, the trucks were designed that way.
Starting next year, UPS' package delivery trucks will come equipped with AC, the company and the Teamsters union announced. Older trucks will be retrofitted to allow AC, the company said.

"Where possible, new vehicles will be allocated to the hottest parts of the country first," UPS said.

The company will also install fans in the driver's cab and exhaust heat shields for the cargo area in non-electric trucks. Shields reduce the amount of heat passing from the truck's engine to the cargo hold, which can reach 140 degrees Fahrenheit on a hot day.


Dangerous heat for UPS drivers has been a major issue for years. The company is the only major delivery company to resist installing AC in its vehicles even as reports mounted of drivers falling sick from heatstroke and needing to go to the emergency room.

Last year, a UPS spokesperson told CBS MoneyWatch that installing cooling systems in delivery trucks was not "feasible" because of their frequent stops.

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By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 18:26 other posts 
Do you folks or the dumb ass's that agreed to put ac in those truck, realize how often the damn doors are opened and shut on them? Constantly. just walk to your front door and open it and shut it about 50 times and hour and see just how cool your living room stays doing this.
edit, and this includes the storm door, you must open your living room to the outside air 50 times a hour to get a similar effect as the truck experiences.
By #610414 12,Aug,23 21:24
Cold air doesn't turn corners. If you open the door a close it behind you, the cab will stay cooler.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 21:52 other posts 
Ok,so a huge ,uninsulated aluminum box on wheels is going to get cool and stay cool with a door flying open and shut all the time?
12,000 - 18,000 BTU/h is the average size of a car air conditioner.
A delivery truck is MUCH larger and open inside.
My tiny camper is only 10 foot long and it requires a 10,000 btu roof top unit to keep it cool. and the door is shut most of the time.
The physics of trying to air condition a ups truck is just way out of wack.
By #610414 13,Aug,23 07:19
UPS trucks have a particion between the cab and the cargo compartment. Even if there's a throughway, it can be closed. The area would be aprox 4'x5'x6'. That's less than 200 sq.ft. That's very similar to a car.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Aug,23 20:48 other posts 
there is a reason aluminum is used as heat sink material for cooling computers and radiators and etc,it conducts heat very well. Ups trucks are made of aluminum. NO insulation. sure it is a small cabin area, but it will be a challenge to cool it.
From your comment, it looks like you're thinking is, that only lifting heavy stuff is 'actual work'. What an incredibly strange idea. The reason for why humanity has progressed from working the land with stone axes, is that we invented smarter solutions, than just carrying heavy stuff around. That's why productivity has increased so much in the last decades. We can produce way more stuff with less people. The only concern this raises is who benefits from that. But, this is no reason to stop progress and keep carrying heavy stuff around.

An hydraulic lift is one of the last resorts in risk mitigation. When you have tried all other possibilities to eliminate the risk of carrying heavy stuff, you think about replacing the human with a machine. It's an expensive solution, because it's a sub-optimal solution. It doesn't address the step in the process, that requires manual handling. Every step in the process where human hands need to carry stuff around is a waste/inefficiency. The most efficient process is one where humans are only doing the things that they can do better than machines.

These are the levels of risk mitigation (Hierarchy of controls):
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- Elimination – physically remove the hazard
- Substitution – replace the hazard
- Engineering controls – isolate people from the hazard
- Administrative controls – change the way people work
- PPE – protect the worker with equipment
It starts with the most effective solution and ends with the least effective solution.

Most employers are still just using PPE's to reduce risks.
That's due to their lack of long term thinking skills.
It saves them some (sometimes big) investments now,
but in the end it is more expensive. PPE's are a constant expense
and people just hate working with them. They create more incidents
than they reduce and they don't fix the cause of the problem.

In my job, I've introduced many lifts, carts, stairs, platforms, gloves, masks, aprons and other sub-optimal solutions, but they have always been a last resort and if possible temporary. Many of those solutions have been replaced by controls of a higher tier later. And when that was not possible, we've improved the PPE's themselves over several iterations.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 20:08 other posts 
I say leave the people at home or where ever they wind up and use machines and AI to do as much work as possible.
that will fix this expecting way more money than your skills and ability's are worth.
you are not worth a dime more than you were before unless you improved your skills, or education or physical ability's. Just because you cry raise does not make you worth more.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Aug,23 17:18 other posts 
Well, think of one thing; at some point they don't need humans to do anything anymore, or at least way less. Then the wealthy people can just have their robots and the rest are out of work. That's when you need socialism, to not all starve.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Aug,23 20:49 other posts 
Don't screw and make more people and the problem will solve it's self in a couple generations. might help Alot with your potential climate issue to even? i mean, less people ,less cows needed for food so less cow farts?
No people, no jobs needed.
You know there is a member here that has 2 of those sex dolls. There is alot of work being done to make robotic sex dolls a reality. I guess you could solar charge their battery's and no longer need another person around for sex?
The robots AI would learn your preferences and shortly you would be able to finish sex and be back to work in minutes.
If you had a job.
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By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 20:14 other posts 
A ageing friend dying of cancer explained why alot of kids worked in the local mill back many years ago.The older person that was actually supposed to be doing the job would have a kid or 2 helping them from the family because of failing eye sight or similar handicap. my friends grandfather had worked the looms as a child for his father because of the fact he could not afford glasses for his eyes. Granted this was back in 1920 but still, it explains alot of the reason for "child labor" in the US at the turn of the century


By phart [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 14:27 other posts 
I am starting to really like this guy.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Aug,23 04:54 other posts 
It's just your Trump experience that makes you think all politicians decide the fate of the world on the most selfish of motives. Your politicians are most definitely corrupt, but protecting a free country on the border of NATO, against invasion from your biggest and oldest enemy, is an open-and-shut case for all your politicians, no matter how corrupt, except maybe for Trump.
By phart [Ignore] 14,Aug,23 16:07 other posts 
We need to back out of nato, it is costing us billions for no return.It is also making matters worse between us and russia.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 05:51 other posts 
If Trump wins again, I would agree with the US backing out of NATO.
Not because the majority of Americans support that, but because Europe should not be in a non-aggression pact with the USA then. It would force us to stand our own ground, but I'm in favor of that. I don't want Europe to be America's little bitch.

But, at the moment, the sane party is in power and they represent the majority of Americans, who want to stay in NATO.

"it is costing us billions for no return"
Do you ever think about what you are saying? Go ahead and explain why it doesn't matter to the USA what happens to Ukraine and what Russia can do to free countries. Why did the US fight in Korea and Vietnam then?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 10:00 other posts 
I wasn't alive when we went to korea and vietnam but it was made clear by veterans I know and am related to that served in both wars that they could have won those wars had washington butted the fuck out and let the military do their jobs. But why we went? fucked if I know.And I agree with you,I don't want Europe to be the US's little bitch either.You folks have your own resources and are capable of holding your own.
What is the US and it's citizens getting for all the money and resouces being sent to ukraine?
A false sense of "doing good"? A false sense of security that russia will be scared of us and not harm us because they are to busy with ukraine?
I feel more in danger now from russia than I ever have in my life. We are arming their enemy,therefore we are their enemy. that puts Americas citizens in far more danger NOW than we have been in decades.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 14:14 other posts 
The Vietnam war lasted until 1975, when you were 8, according to your profile.
The US went there to prevent Russia to install communism there, not even annex it.
Many people even wanted that communism. The US took away their choice.
Ukraine doesn't want to be annexed. Not the parts that Putin is going for anyway.

Your right, it's scary. Sometimes protecting freedom is scary.
I don't think Russians are suicidal enough to start nuclear war.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 14:40 other posts 
I hope in this case you are right about the russians and a nuclear war, but who knows any more? Putin's near death from what our media tells us and it would probably suit him fine to destroy what he couldn't have so no one else would get it after he's gone.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 16:37 other posts 
That's you not being able to see your enemies as human.
To you they cannot be anything else than the devil himself.
Quite understandable, considering how you perceive your own countrymen.
That failure to empathize results in a failure to understand anyone.
That failure to empathize is very characteristic for right-wingers.

Putin is building a legacy. He wants to be remembered.
If he destroys humanity, no one will be alive to remember him.
Even if he has to retreat, he knows that many of his countrymen will still remember him as a hero now. That means that eventually NATO will have to allow him something, but only at the point when his people are fully demoralized and ready to overthrow his government. I agree that will be too dangerous. Maybe then his last act will be to destroy the world. However, if we give him a victory now, his people will believe that all their suffering was justified. That will encourage them to make many more sacrifices for the glory of Russia; unending war.
By phart [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 19:29 other posts 
There has been way to much empathy ,that's why things are so screwed up. We gave the inch,and they have taken the mile.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Aug,23 16:36 other posts 
Empathy doesn't mean caring about someone else's ideas or emotions,
it means UNDERSTANDING THEM!!!
You are confusing EMPATHY with SYMPATHY!!!!

In fact, being a good empath can make you fucking ruthless.

A bit of empathy could have prevented the whole war.
NATO did creep way to close to Russia's border.
I didn't like it then and I knew it was tempting the bull.

Empathy would make you understand how you would feel in that situation.
(Think about how the US acted during the Cuban missile crisis.)
And understanding the character of Russians would then predict their move.
That's not condoning their actions, that's understanding them.
Putin is still a horrible dictator and war criminal, who needs to be stopped.


By tecsan [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 02:05 other posts 
That press conference from a few minutes ago was just 'GRANDSTANDING'. You know the one in Georgia.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 07:52 other posts 
A right-wing meme that work better with 'No' in front of it:
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By dgraff [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 08:45 other posts 
Were did you find this guy in a bar he looks like he’s drunk or on something
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 10:47 other posts 
That's The Amazing Atheist. He actually looks much more normal than usual in this video. He doesn't drink and smoke anymore, but he does use Adderall and is completely open about that.
He's been a YouTube commentator on the side of freethinking for 17 years now.
He was an Anti-SJW crusader, before right-wing grifters even discovered it.

Freethinking might help you a lot. Maybe it would allow you to think about and react to the content, instead of only commenting on the presenter's looks again, as I suggested only yesterday, in the 'STUFF, JUST STUFF' topic.
I know he's low-hanging fruit, but do you always want to take the easy road?
By dgraff [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 10:51 other posts 
he’s a low hanging fruit all right
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Aug,23 11:03 other posts 
It's also performance art.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODY!
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And he just doesn't give a fuck. You might even agree with him here:
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Or you might agree with his stance on companies doing woke-washing.
(If you thought he looked like a weirdo before...)
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Aug,23 05:56 other posts 
Your religious leaders are very funny.
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By #610414 10,Aug,23 18:33
Hallelujah


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Jun,23 05:08 other posts 
For-Profit Private Health Care:
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Jun,23 12:14 other posts 
WATCH: Florida Republicans BEG Migrants To Stay In State
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The Republican is saying that it was 'just a political bill'
and then he begs undocumented immigrants to not leave Florida.
Their anti-immigrant talk is just for show, for their racist voters.
They love the exploitation of illegals for cheap labor.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jun,23 13:44 other posts 
Well, some of the people sucking off the welfare system can be put in those jobs.
I am sure there are some folks on umemployement in florida that can be assigned to work those jobs.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jun,23 05:56 other posts 
Why 'be put in those jobs' or 'be assigned to work'?
Stop thinking of people as lazy. Almost everyone who can work, wants to work.
People don't need to be 'put to work'. Just give people a chance and they will.

Companies don't have a right to have employees. It's a free market, remember?
What you are supporting, being forced to work, is actually COMMUNISM!!!

I'm supporting FREEDOM! The socialism I support is freedom for all.
No one would be forced to work. People would just want to work,
because it wouldn't just benefit the wealthy people, but everyone.
By #610414 11,Jun,23 09:08
Some of the people? How many do you think there are? There’s 280,000 unemployed in Florida. Do you expect them to travel from the Panhandle to Miami? Most food stamp recipients already work or they loose their food stamps. Phart, get real. There is no huge movement of lazy people sucking the government’s tit. That is a pipe dream of the right. And, yes, I know about that family down the road from your house that have a Caddy and 79 children.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Jun,23 10:34 other posts 
Yep and they can get it and drive down there and work.
By #610414 11,Jun,23 11:28
Does that sound like something they would do?
By phart [Ignore] 11,Jun,23 17:59 other posts 
of course not,the direct deposits haven't stopped
By #610414 11,Jun,23 18:54
Many will stop in Florida


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