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Started by DJS [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 10:53  other posts
Seems earlier reports that HM Queen Elizabeth is very frail and doctor are supervising her condition,family been advised to attend balmoral,were she been staying recently,Now some are suggesting that she's already passed away has the media seem very sombre,but cant actually release till told to by government but also so the people dont get told straight away (shocked)She served for 70yrs & probably the most respected lady every in the world by leaders of nations across the world.
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By DJS [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 05:01 other posts 
well at least after today the poor woman will be able to rest. she has been paraded around for 10 days now.

Yes, I agree that they have been lugging her around way too much.
I don't know if it's all protocol or if they are exaggerating to maximize her positive effect
on the monarchy, because they fear it's decline. However, she has been devoted to the institution all her life, so I think she would be OK to add to the popularity of the monarchy a bit more. It's not like she's doing any work now and her future is quite uneventful.

PARADED Operations London Bridge/ Operation Unicorn,,unicorn took preference seeing she died in Scotland,preparations in place to transfer her to England via northolt then to the palace were she lay in state,till her funeral..
So as for parading/lugging her around,is completely BS,


By DJS [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 02:55 other posts 
Estimated 500k payed their respect to her majesty 👏,plus one knobhead🖕
By Dev01 [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 03:09 other posts 
There always has to be one . What an amazing turnout and very fitting
By DJS [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 03:51 other posts 
sure was mate,estimated 2.5million will be in London today for the funeral,
By bella! [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 03:19 other posts  ⤴
A knobhead? Who was that and/or what happened?
By DJS [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 03:54 other posts 
He tried to take the flag(the royal standard) of the coffin or he tried to look under it raising the flag,but got brought down very swiftly by the police,
By Dev01 [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 16:16 other posts 
What a Ceremony....Have never seen anything like it, and highly doubt I ever will in my lifetime.... I'm speechless
By bella! [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 03:56 other posts 
It's UNBELIEVABLE the number of people that stood for 12 to 14 hours in a line that was miles long, in order to pass a flag draped coffin.

Losing a parent or grandparent is emotionally difficult for so many people however losing a parent or grandparent that was a public figure like that of Queen Elizabeth II and having your grief put on public display has to be super rough!
By DJS [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 04:00 other posts 
So true,it was very poignant for me as I only buried my mam a few weeks ago,but to do it in front of billions i cant imagine going through that,what her family were feeling..
By bella! [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 04:14 other posts 
I am so sorry to hear of your loss.
By DJS [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 04:18 other posts 
Thank you bella
By DJS [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 04:07 other posts  ⤴
It certainly was mate,there were things I remember for ever,the lone bag piper how he slowly drifted put of view while the pipes faded so naturally,the coffin bearers the pressure on them was immense,the whole military taken part was pure class & precision,then the Windsor part were HM corgis were waiting on the steps for her,Yes it was a one in a live time experience for those taking part & those who just watched it.
By DJS [Ignore] 20,Sep,22 04:17 other posts  ⤴
Depends how long Charles last after all th miles walking behind her coffin,


By routemaster [Ignore] 18,Sep,22 02:17 other posts 
Thank you, DJS, for posting this.
By DJS [Ignore] 18,Sep,22 02:53 other posts 
My pleasure routemaster And also a lovely written piece above by you mate

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By bella! [Ignore] 15,Sep,22 13:51 other posts 
Hello DJS , I've watched lines of mourners filing past the Queen's coffin at Westminster Hall. Some men wearing suits and ties, some mourners stop to say a quick prayer, some women doing a proper curtsy, some people with physical limitations, people of all ages and from all walks of life. Your Queen was loved by her people and revered by people all around the world. Her passing is a profound loss felt by many.
By DJS [Ignore] 17,Sep,22 02:44 other posts 
Yeah its seems so bella,the que at present is 24hr to file past the coffin and pay respects,people from parts of the uk are travelling to London,train services put on extra trains to accommodate them,think it works out just over 2.5k people a hour file past her,So yes I agree with your assessment seem she was a very popular lady,within the public,
By routemaster [Ignore] 18,Sep,22 02:16 other posts 
Indeed she was revered, bella. I was away in Scotland with friends and had just got back to Fort William on the Jacobite steam train when the news of her passing was announced on the information boards at the station. An audible gasp went up from everyone, OK she was 96 and flesh and blood like the rest of us but having reigned for so long, we all came to think of her as immortal. At least she survived to celebrate her Platinum Jubilee only 3 months ago but, having to bow out of some public appearances during those celebrations, I think she and us all knew the end was approaching. I shall never forget her lovely smile. In Glasgow last Thursday, I was present at a gathering when Princess Anne attended to adnire the floral tributes to her mother and then, just as the new King Charles III did, walked along the line of people to talk to some of them, I wasn't in the front so didn't receive that privelge. I would have liked to have joined the queue to walk past the Queen lying-in-state when I got home to London but with the severe arthritis in my legs now, I couldn't have stood for 14 hours, alas. I shall watch the state funeral on t.v. tomorrow. RIP.
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ADMIRE, not adnire, doh. Apologies for typing error.
By routemaster [Ignore] 18,Sep,22 02:24 other posts  ⤴
Indeed she was revered, bella. I was away in Scotland with friends and had just got back to Fort William on the Jacobite steam train when the news of her passing was announced on the information boards at the station. An audible gasp went up from everyone, OK she was 96 and flesh and blood like the rest of us but having reigned for so long, we all came to think of her as immortal. At least she survived to celebrate her Platinum Jubilee only 3 months ago but, having to bow out of some public appearances during those celebrations, I think she and us all knew the end was approaching. I shall never forget her lovely smile. In Glasgow last Thursday, I was present at a gathering when Princess Anne attended to adnire the floral tributes to her mother and then, just as the new King Charles III did, walked along the line of people to talk to some of them, I wasn't in the front so didn't receive that privelge. I would have liked to have joined the queue to walk past the Queen lying-in-state when I got home to London but with the severe arthritis in my legs now, I couldn't have stood for 14 hours, alas. I shall watch the state funeral on t.v. tomorrow. RIP.
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ADMIRE, NOT adnire and PRIVELEGE NOT privelge, doh, Apologies for typing errors.
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I've no idea why this came out TWICE, I only clicked SEND once but more apologies anyway.


By phart [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 10:40 other posts 
With all due respect to the lady and the job she did, why are they waiting so long to put her to rest? It is time to move on.
By DJS [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 10:54 other posts 
Simple mate,Tradition,The country now enters an official period of mourning that continues until after the queen's funeral, which is expected to take place 10 days after her death and be a public holiday. And to put that into perspective people are queueing up today to she her in state(walk past her coffin)there be literal hundreds of thousands arriving in London for this,


By JustANormalGuy [Ignore] 11,Sep,22 06:01 other posts 
Like, as I am sure, for many people in the UK, the passing of Queen Elizabeth II was a moment of deep reflection. She was the Queen for the entirety of my life.

To me (as to very many I am again sure) she represented the very best of Britain, unstinting and unwavering in carrying out her public duties. The photo's of her sitting alone at her husband's funeral were particularly moving - in a time of Covid and restrictions on everybodies lives, she would not break the rules even in a moment of great personal grief. Instead, she chose to and demonstrated by example the 'right' way to behave.

In some ways she represented a Britain of the past and values of decency that are far less evident across society than they were. In this sense, with her passing we are all diminished.

Yesterday, at the cricket we heard for the first time in most of our lives 'God Save the King'
By DJS [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 09:39 other posts 
Excellent post


By Andthisisme [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 11:16 other posts 
I am not at all convinced by the speculation that she may already have passed away but the messaging does seem to be indicating that the end may be near.
The majority of people living in the UK today have only ever known one monarch Queen Elizabeth II.
Whatever you view on monarchies she has been the most incredible Head of State and not put one foot out of place throughout her long reign.
When she does eventually pass away it really will be the end of an era.
By DJS [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 11:33 other posts 
A mate,was home today watch tv,he said parliament,were notified in the correct protocol,PM,opposition leader being told,he said everyone looked devastated
I agree with your sentiments but I dont think it be just the UK but around the world have ever known HM in their lifetime
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 11:51 other posts 
I was born the previous year 1952) to her coronation.
By #666999 08,Sep,22 12:40⤴
Ooops, a foot out of place:

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By kebmo [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 12:53 other posts 
Take note that the article was dated November 2017. My question is this: is it illegal or just morally wrong?
By #666999 08,Sep,22 12:59
Morally wrong. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that wealthy, powerful, individuals think "normal" rules don't apply to them but it does stick in the throat when those with the broadest shoulders STILL find ways to avoid paying their fair share.

If we're then, also, supposed to admire and venerate them - you'll have to excuse this Brit.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 13:45 other posts  ⤴
Come on guys, save it for a more appropriate time.
By #666999 08,Sep,22 13:49
There will be an avalanche of gushing about her, but I cry bullshit. Sad that a family has lost their matriarch but it's no more tragic than any other old lady dying.

I would have thought that someone from a Nation that threw off the yoke of Royal rule would be less myopic. Do you really think that EVERYONE in the UK feels like they've lost a family member today? I never met the woman and, frankly, my life is unaffected by her passing.

The only royal news I want to hear is that the monarchy has been abolished. The chink of light is that, now someone who undoubtedly had a sense of public service has died, people will see that the Institution itself is rotten to the core. I strongly suspect that dim-witted Charles will help that cause.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 14:06 other posts 
This from someone that posted this?

Seriously, man. How does it feel when reasonable, intelligent members of this community point out that you lack compassion, lack empathy, are racist and fucking stupid?

Does it even make you pause for a second and wonder whether you've got it wrong?
By #666999 08,Sep,22 14:17
I've paused, thought about it, and I still see no reason not to exercise the right to air my opinions. They're not unfounded, as you can hopefully see.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 14:56 other posts 
I think that what you're saying is that all lives are (should be) equal. And that many deaths go unnoticed and that millions of people die unjustly and on horrible conditions. But the death of a monarch is like the death of a god, because people feel they lost something that was connected to them. If you think logically you should conclude that's no biggy but if you take into account all these other factors, myths, religion, stories, symbolism, then it's the opposite. That's the role of monarchy. To provide some kind of secular religion because the majority of people need it. If people were able to argue and live without emotions then monarchy wouldn't exist. So, it's natural for people to feel sad. They're conditioned to feel so.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 17:30 other posts  ⤴
thanks Cat,I will even capitalize the C on this response!
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 17:28 other posts  ⤴
I know the family is suffereing a loss but 96 years,she had a good run,more than most of us will ever have a chance at. bUt brave, You make it seem as though the UK just lost a tourist attraction?
seriously though,I have often said I see no need for all that royalty stuff,has no real power,all just glitz and glamour and the parliment does all the work.
By #666999 08,Sep,22 17:37
I THINK your gibberish is trying to say that I'm making light of a death. I THINK you then go on to agree with me, that Royalty is an outdated concept.

For the first point: yeah, I probably am. Her dying is no more tragic than your Mom dying. All this shite about her being godlike makes me want to weep.

For the second: even a broken clock is right twice a day.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 20:39 other posts 
Eye THINK your gibberish is trying to say we may actually sorda agree on 1 point?
By bella! [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 14:36 other posts  ⤴
That article was written 5 years ago. Were taxes paid, does the royal family ever pay taxes?
By #666999 08,Sep,22 14:40
Here's a good starting point. Hold your nose though, because (imo) it stinks:

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By DJS [Ignore] 11,Sep,22 03:38 other posts  ⤴
I see the sub-headline says The Queen of England (allegedly) stashed her money in tax-free havens abroad.Umm,not like the labour party and its MPS,are not to forth coming pay its tax,(oh sorry tax avoidance),the party off the people.They all piss in the same pot..
The difference between HM & them they were voted in by the people of the UK,yet still screw them,Yet Blair & the party had media adverts ask working class folk,to grass someone up who delivering pizzas for cash in hand,whilst individuals & big corporations get a free reign..
By #666999 11,Sep,22 07:03
Semi-literate rambling with no sources for any of your allegations. Not that I don't have some sympathy for some of your points.

Nevertheless, it's classic "whataboutism", (and excludes other political parties, who are just as venal) so fuck off.
By DJS [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 09:21 other posts 
Ohhhhh,here 1 better you fuck off & when you get there fuck off some more,see where am going with this????


By bella! [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 13:40 other posts 
It has been reported that Queen Elizabeth II is dead at the age of 96.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 14:12 other posts 
We just saw it on the news too. She devoted her life to serving the institution of the monarchy. She has always been of impeccable behavior, consistently neutral and has aspired to be the unifying factor in a divided kingdom. The only excesses she allowed herself were some rare little jokes and an appearance in a James Bond movie once.
Praise the queen, for her life long dedication.
By bella! [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 14:24 other posts 
What is so unique about countries with kings, queens, princes and princesses, they are merely figureheads. I wonder whether their people are truly happy with supporting a monarchy or whether they would be happy to see dissolution?
By #666999 08,Sep,22 15:10
In the UK, to gently correct you, the Monarch is not merely a figurehead. All Acts of Parliament need Royal Assent and the King is head of the ESTABLISHED Church of England. In other words: we not only live in a Monarchy, we also (like Iran) live in a Theocracy.

True that a lot of it has become symbolic and the Monarch rarely exercises all the powers he/she has. But he/she still has those powers.

All polls tend to show I'm in a minority. Hey ho!
By bella! [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 15:16 other posts 
My apologies, thank you for enlightening me.
You are technically correct. The convention - historically it was initially established by government refusing to finance the monarchy - is that these powers are never exercised and are, certainly in 2022, purely protocol and formalities
By #666999 11,Sep,22 10:29
I'd like to see your sources that back up your assertions.

"Purely protocol and formalities" leaves a shitload of wriggle room if the shit ever really hits the fan. You don't mention The Privy Council, Royal Commissions, Prerogative powers, appointments of Prime Ministers (remember Lord Melbourne?), proroguing Parliament, Lascelles Principles, Royal Assent, Sovereign Immunity and all the other anachronistic bollocks that reminds us all that we are NOT citizens, we ARE subjects.
By JustANormalGuy [Ignore] 11,Sep,22 10:34 other posts 
With all due respect, I am not here to have arguments on the internet. None of these things have any substantial effect whatsoever on our lives.
By #666999 11,Sep,22 10:49
Sounds a bit like "I posted something without checking that it's accurate".

If you want a "modern" example of how Royalty can trump democratically-elected representatives, check out the 1975 affair below:

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I would argue that what type of Nation you live in does, or at least can, have a massive effect on our lives. I'd prefer a Republic, if you hadn't already guessed. The current hagiography surrounding the House of Saxe Cobourg Gotha (or Windsor, if you prefer) does not sit easily with me.
By JustANormalGuy [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 06:44 other posts 
That's fine, and no argument. I an easily understand people preferring a republic. The reason I don't really care is simply that I don't think it has any impact on our lives. Plenty of other things do affect our lives, so I'll choose to fight on those fronts.
Our King Willem-Alexander mostly has a ceremonial function, but according to the Constitution, he is a member of the government along with the ministers.
The King consults weekly with the Prime Minister and regularly speaks with ministers and state secretaries. The King signs all laws and royal decrees and ratifies international treaties. The Constitution provides that the King appoints and dismisses ministers and secretaries of state and that they are sworn in before the head of state. By virtue of this constitutional role and at the request of the House of Representatives, the head of state can be regularly informed about the state of affairs during cabinet formations. The King is formally chairman of the Council of State. This presidency has grown historically and is ceremonial in nature. He delivers the Speech from the Throne on Prince's Day.

Unlike most socialists, I'm not in favor of ending our monarchy. Some members of the Socialist Party would like to have a referendum about the continuation of the monarchy or have an election for who should be the head of state. They realize that our monarchy would most likely be continued and that Willem-Alexander would probably win the election in a massive landslide over anyone else (except Maxima), but they would be fine with that, because for them it's just the democratic principle that counts.
Personally, I like it that our King is the head of state and that the Prime Minister has to answer to him. Our Queens and King of my lifetime have always been neutral and objective and honestly concerned with the people. They have never been openly critical of the government, but it has been revealed that they have corrected Prime Ministers of the past, when they were prioritizing party politics over unity or their own popularity over doing what was necessary.

Our king has made some mistakes, like going on vacation to Greece during the pandemic. He had to go deep in his apologies. I see he now has a favorability score
of 44%, which is much lower than a while ago. Queen Maxima is still more popular,
like she has always been, but she has declined in popularity a bit too, from the same mistakes. Still 57% of Dutch people support the monarchy. I'm one of them, but mostly because I prefer it over the alternatives.
By bella! [Ignore] 09,Sep,22 18:26 other posts 
Thank you for sharing that information with me as well as anyone else that reads your post. 👍
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Sep,22 19:10 other posts 
You're welcome!


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