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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 16,May,22 02:01  other posts
Until it involves abortion...Besides the fact that the end of Roe V Wade would not end it in many states...I agree with B. Clinton abortion should be rare...

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 07:08 other posts 
Let's talk about Banned Books Week 2022....
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2532 book bans in one school year, impacting 1684 individual books.
It affected more than 4 million students.
The worst offenders were Texas, Florida and Tennessee.
The bans are targeting authors of color and LGBTQ or books
that have main characters of those demographics.
Why are these book bans not a violation of the First Amendment?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 15:34 other posts 
YOu can't scream fire in a theater unless there is 1.
You shouldn't be coaxing kids into that lbbtq stuff because they are to young to understand.
under 21,you can't drink,under 18,you can't vote,under 16 you can't drive,under 16 you can't married.But at 4 you can change your sex? Yea right.
when they turn 18,they can go to the dr and learn their options and arrange payments.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 16:37 other posts 
Who says there is LGBTQ stuff in the books? Show it!
They are books by LGBTQ writers. And some have LGBTQ characters.
Who says the books say you can change your sex? Show it!
You only have a point if there is explicit sex in the books. Is there?
You are the one who feels the need to defend violations of the First Amendment.
It's a fact that books are banned. Prove that it's justified.

By the way, the government should not meddle in those things. They should just abide by the first amendment and let teachers decide at what age children have the mental capacity to understand that different people exist.

Also, some books are reportedly from black authors or there are black characters in it. Are the poor fragile little children hurt by the knowledge that black people exist?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:56 other posts 
PARENTS SHOULD DECIDE WHAT AGE, not teachers and sure as hell not politicians. And if the parents are found to be doing harmful things and teaching harmful things that prompt a child to question it's own body and mind, they are unfit groomers ,not parents.

You of all people understand that everyone can't control what happens ,that is why there is elected officials, to do our bidding. Some do right ,most do wrong. I commend those officials that see the potential for harmful wording and influences on our young people .They are actually doing the job we ask of them. it is those pacifist that ignore the hazards, anything goes, anything happens ,no one is responsible types that piss me off.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 16:19 other posts 
"sure as hell not politicians" THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE!!!

Accusing teachers of grooming is filthy right-wing propaganda.

Yes teachers should decide, because that's how a modern three branches government executes the law. Public schools funded with tax dollars, should
respect the law and the law says 'free speech'.
Parents can decide what children read at home, not in school.

Schools are the last bastion of defense against ignorance and fascism
and I hope secular/liberal people will fight you hard over it.
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 00:07 other posts 
Fuck, just read some of the banned books and tell me you would allow your ten year old to read them if you had one. Be real socialist guy.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 15:49 other posts 
Those are just hollow claims, because you have not checked.
And who says the books are only banned for elementary School?
Without evidence your defense is invalid, because the guilt of
violation of the first amendment is already apparent.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;...."

Banning books of LGBTQ authors is 'respecting an establishment of religion'.
Freedom of speech! It doesn't matter who is capable of understanding.

If I had children, they would be allowed to read anything, while still respecting its
age restriction. Age restrictions are not determined by difficulty. The philosophy of Emmanuel Kant has no age restriction.

If they were just setting fair age restrictions by maturity standards, determined by
an impartial rating agency, I would not protest.

But they are not doing that, the conservative right-wing government is specifically banning books from colored authors and LGBTQ authors, because of bigotry and religious values. That's against your law. And it would be against the law of basically every (other) first world country. The US is slipping away man, slipping away.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 19:22 other posts 
how is it religious to teach the basic facts, Male-female and so on? Biology is not religion, it is the very same thing, science , that not so long ago that liberals were trying to cram down our throats regards to covid .Trust the science, unless it is about biology ,then it is wrong.
These people that are writing books outside the social norms are considered a bad influence by people in power to make sure it does not affect our children.
By CAT [Ignore] 23,Sep,22 08:56 other posts 
You are denying facts. Gays exist. Transgenders exist. Covid exists. You said it, " people in power". Not the law of the land.
It's a religious idea that LGBT us wrong.
Your argument of biology is nonsense. No one is suggesting people can biologically change their SEX. But just how people can be gay or lesbian, people can be transGENDER. It's in their nature and it most likely is biologically determined. They might look like one sex, but feel like the other sex. What you feel you are is called gender identity. You and me are just lucky that we were not born with our gender deviating from our sex. I call it 'lucky', because I'm really not jealous of the struggle they have to go through. You however want to make that struggle even harder, by maintaining and even strengthening the enormous stigma on it. You should have some more compassion, because their is a social stigma on disabled people too, especially in the US. It shows you are lacking imagination, when you cannot understand their challenges, while you are confronted with similar challenges. Why is it so hard for conservatives to imagine how someone suffers. It is really a character trait of conservatives to only understand what other people are going through, when they have experienced it themselves or someone really close to them is suffering.

It's a religiously inspired doctrine to fight people on their sexual preference or their identity.

"are considered a bad influence by people in power"
Exactly, that's the problem. And that's exactly why the First Amendment was written;
to prevent the people in power to decide what are 'bad influences'.
And when you agree with the people in power deciding what are 'bad influences',
you are showing that you either don't understand or disagree with the core principles of your own country. Or you are a hypocrite and you only support free speech for your own ideas, which means you don't support free speech at all.

By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,22 14:03 other posts 
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,22 14:06 other posts 
A disability is something a person can not CHOOSE to live with.
Trying to change 1's sex to the other ,is something they can decide not to do.
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Could these high numbers not be related to the fact that a persons body goes thru alot of changes and perhaps,they jumped the gun so to speak?
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“If you are silent about your beliefs because you are worried someone will be offended, then your beliefs are not that important to you, but rather what people think about you is,” it read. “When you stand up for what’s right and true, you will receive both hate and love, but everyone will know what you are fighting for.”
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Sep,22 04:54 other posts 
"A disability is something a person can not CHOOSE to live with."
Are you still saying that to gays and lesbians too?
"Just choose to repress and hide your nature all your life"?
Or have you progressed beyond those archaic beliefs,
at least for gays and lesbians?

There are a few people who end up regretting their choices.
That's why people get lots of help when they are thinking about their identity and that's why medical professionals don't do anything irreversible before the age of 18. And even then, it's very well considered whether people should take drastic measures. However, it's just propaganda, that makes you think that many transgenders end up regretting their decisions. It is not clear how many,
but estimates are ranging from less than 1% to as many as 8%.
In any case, my opinion is that it is better to make your own mistakes, than to be denied the freedom to make them. And I think you would agree on that principle,
but you might make an exception for just this issue. Ask yourself why.

People are not silent about their beliefs, but people are getting SILENCED.
People are writing books about their life and the challenges they faced.
Those books are banned, because politicians don't want children to know.
And it's not just books from transgenders, it's also books from black people.
That's worse. At least understand that people cannot chose their color.
Tell me why you would support banning their books.

If you think books of transgender people are harmful to children, you must think that it is possible to talk children into thinking they are transgender. I think that's nonsense. No one could have made me think I was really a girl, especially not by just reading about the concept. How strong are your beliefs that you are a man? People either have doubts about their identity or they have not. If they have, I think it's healthy for them to read about what others like them have experienced.
Do you really think it's more healthy for them to get their feelings suppressed?
By phart [Ignore] 27,Sep,22 11:51 other posts 
I firmly believe children and their still developing minds can be "trained" so to speak to think they are something they may not be. Power of suggestions goes along ways towards a childs thoughts as they are in a state of learning.
I firmly believe liberal parents are grooming their kids to be trans.Just as parents have groomed their kids to be in beauty pageants and sports for decaded. "You are going to play base ball" You are going to ballet" ,You are going to take piano lessons" , "you are not a boy,you are a girl,don't you like this pink dress".

By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 11:55 other posts 
GOP Candidate Proposed Literal Death Panels On Abortion:
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By phart [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 13:18 other posts 
"You can’t say that you’re pro-life but one life is worth more than the other life."

uh what part of that quote is difficult to understand?
I see nothing wrong with a review panel of sorts being used on all mur,I mean abortions.

Who is to say a babys life isn't worth more than a crack head ,dead beat mothers that just wants to have it yanked out so she can go back to fucking and shooting up?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 07:16 other posts 
"You can’t say that you’re pro-life but one life is worth more than the other life."

That's a dodge, being 'pro-life' also means making a choice sometimes.
That's exactly what the proposed panel should determine;
what is the choice between the life of the mother and the life of the fetus.

I say, it's not up to some Death Panel, it's the choice of the woman about her own body.
And don't use stupid strawman arguments, because every choice has it's limits
and the current limits are already reasonable and justified.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 15:31 other posts 
abortion takes a life.
the limits should be very strict. Not impossible because of the rapist and ****'s but strict
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:10 other posts 
Forcing a woman to care for a child she didn't want, takes a life too.
Having children takes your life away. If that's your choice, OK,
but to be forced to do that, not OK.

Now if you really care about preventing abortion, give the women you force
into giving birth of an unwanted child 100% certainty of easy adoption
and pay the women for the time, discomfort, lost income and hospital bills.
I have not heard any conservative talk about compensation for the lost rights.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:52 other posts 
What lost rights?
Did someone magically cause her zipper undone?
Did someone deny her birth control?
Did someone deny her a exit from the situation?
In the case of r@pe and 1ncest,I understand the answer to be yes ,someone did, and that someone should be held accountable.
BUT in most cases, the woman allows the sex to happen ,and that is her right ,but decisions have consequences, like a baby as a result. Not the babies fault, but yet in abortion the baby pays the ultimate price.
I can't see any rights being taken at all with abortion bans or regulations.
I see rights being ABUSED by having the rights to a abortion by irresponsible women
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 15:23 other posts 
"What lost rights?"
The right of bodily autonomy! You know, what was really important to you,
when they wanted you to get a little shot, to fight a pandemic.
The consequences; a 1 in million chance of some harm.
The consequences of taking away women's bodily autonomy; labour,
giving birth, recovery, medical costs, lost income, the costs of taking care of a kid
and lost of worries for at least 18 years. And for what future? It's the US!

"Did someone magically cause her zipper undone?"
On average, there are 463,634 victims (age 12 or older) of r.a.p.e and sexual assault each year in the United States.
And even then, sometimes accidents happen. Having sex is not a reason to be forced into having kids.

"Did someone deny her birth control?"
Not yet, but your supreme court political hacks are thinking about it.

Did someone deny her a exit from the situation?
Same argument as before, see the 2nd and 3rd answers.

Well at least you approve for r@pe and 1ncest, but many states don't.

"BUT in most cases, the woman allows the sex to happen"
I fucking hope so! And I also hope they enjoy it, but with all those conservatives in the US, I fear many women are left unsatisfied, because misogynists don't care.

A 'baby' is a human that is living independently after birth. We are talking about zygotes and fetuses at a gestation before viability. It doesn't pay any price, when it is aborted, because it has no price yet. It only has the value that the woman puts onto it, because it is dependent on her body.

Women have the right to chose now, the right to bodily autonomy. A ban would take that right away. It is a right of self protection. You as a 2nd amendment defender should understand that.

Actually, I think everyone who takes care of a baby should receive payment.
Women have been doing unpaid work way too long, but at least it was by choice.
You are now taking that choice away and force women to take care of children.
Forcing people to do unpaid work is called SLAVERY.

By tecsan [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 00:05 other posts 
If a man gets pregnant then does she have a right to an abortion as long as he and his DR agree it is the right thing at the time.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 10:44 other posts 
If a man gets pregnant, he needs to be caught and taken to a lab and studied, because he is a odd duck.40 years ago the idea of a man getting pregnant was a joke and understood not to be possiable.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 12:02 other posts 
Well, in 1994 it was a pretty nice movie from Arnold Schwarzenegger, called 'Junior'.
Never say impossible. Someone might figure it out tomorrow.
By tecsan [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 21:52 other posts 
Care for some shocking news ananas, research the mayo clinic in the late 80s -early 90s.
By tecsan [Ignore] 12,Sep,22 21:54 other posts 
I was playing with pronouns with my last comment. No uterus, thus no pregnancy. He can get pregnant if he is a woman. Another pronoun twist.
So you are talking about a trans-man getting pregnant.
That's possible, if he didn't have gender affirming surgery yet.
But hormone treatment might make that very unlikely.
It would make it likely it would be an unwanted pregnancy, because he would not expect to get pregnant or hormone treatment might mess with contraception.
Actually, there was such a case in the TV series; The Good Doctor.

In my country, anyone who has an unwanted pregnancy, has the right to an abortion, before 24 weeks of gestation by law, but in practice 22 weeks by most doctors, unless the pregnancy is endangering the pregnant person or the fetus has no or low life expectancy. Why would it be different if it was a transgender person?

I think you were messing up your pronouns there a bit.
But, I understand it's hard for you to put your mind around those things.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:58 other posts 
A man ,a male, can not bear young. Period.
It may look like a male because of pills and shots and surgery on it's outer shell, but if it is pregnant ,damn it is A FEMALE human being.
It going to get to a point that a fellow will have to pay for a cat scan to make sure he is actually asking a woman to marry him.

By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,22 22:36 other posts 
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What the fuck?
You know, a big store front, surgery and hormones, can only trick people so long before the TRUTH comes out.
If you were born a man, all the surgery in the world is not going to help you to produce viable nutrition for a baby from your fake tits.
Nor will you sprout a womb.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,Sep,22 01:11 other posts 
Well said.

By CAT [Ignore] 11,Aug,22 09:29 other posts 
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Here's a Repucker that doesn't know what is a woman either

Salt Lake County Council member tells Kamala Harris fetuses are not part of women’s bodies
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Aug,22 07:54 other posts 
And they think that is an argument somehow?

Because, I might agree with that premise; a fetus is a separate organism.
(They had a point IF the fetus was growing in a machine and not in women's bodies.)
But they don't give a sound or even a valid argument, for why that premise results
in a conclusion that the woman has no right to chose whether to continue supporting
that separate organism.

Up to a point in gestation, that organism is dependent on the woman to survive,
which makes it a parasite by definition.
Unless the woman thinks there is some benefit to her, as host, it is a parasite.

What we do with parasites is: killing them and flush them out of our system.
Google 'what to do with parasites' and see.

IF the woman thinks there is some benefit to her, to have the parasite, it's a 'commensal'.
The woman is completely FREE to support that commensal up to birth. She is the host.

(It would help support that freedom, if society helped more to support lost income during gestation, childbirth and recovery, with free or affordable healthcare and when taking care of the child and parenting, with free or affordable childcare or by compensating for lost income, when people cannot afford to lose that income and because working is not compatible with caring for a child and parenting)

I can make a sound argument for abortion:
- Premise 1: An unwanted pregnancy of a zygote or fetus, before it's viable to survive outside the womb, makes it a parasite by definition.
- Premise 2: Parasites are killed and flushed out of the system, on the host's request.
- Conclusion: An unwanted pregnancy of a zygote or fetus, before it's viable to survive outside the womb should be killed and flushed out of the system on the host's request.
By CAT [Ignore] 12,Aug,22 09:10 other posts 
Last I checked that umbilical cord is firmly attached to mama. 😈
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Aug,22 09:39 other posts 
True, but something like that is applicable to more parasites.
Zygotes and fetuses have their own genetic code and metabolism,
so I do agree they are separate organisms.

The placenta separates the blood of the mother from the blood of the fetus,
but the oxygen, glucose and other nutrients filter through.

However, a parasite is: an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
That fits for zygotes and fetuses. They only survive and grow by deriving nutrients
at the mother's expense. So it's not an INDEPENDENT organism.

That's the trick they use; confusing 'separate' and 'independent'.
They are dependent on tricks, because they don't have real arguments.

They can get a premise right sometimes, but they are incapable of providing
any complete valid or sound argument. But they don't need to, for THEIR audience.
By tecsan [Ignore] 13,Aug,22 22:42 other posts 
I agree a fetus is a parasite to a certain extent. But if your willing actions produce it then let it live. Close them legs if you do not want a parasite inside you. That was simple to say like the damn vasectomy comment. Vasectomies may be permanent where keeping those legs together is not.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Aug,22 08:47 other posts 
"But if your willing actions produce it then let it live."

WHY? What is your argument?
People don't have abortions if they get pregnant by their willing actions.
How can you put so much nonsense in just one short sentence.

'Close them legs' ... It all boils down to sex.... Why do you hate it so much?

Vasectomies are for people who never want to have children (again). Some people just don't want a child NOW. For example, when they just lost their job, because of
a recession and they are forced into food-lines or they risk losing their home like
60 million Americans experienced, due to Trump fucking up in fighting a pandemic.
It wasn't a good time for being pregnant and needing hospital care. Can we at least agree on that?
By tecsan [Ignore] 15,Aug,22 22:58 other posts 
So when the loon left forces the crap on us right. Now you admit the loons control crap. Yes I said crap. Basically what you said. Trump had fewer covid deaths than that loon brandon. Feel free to correct me. Let's go loons.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Sep,22 17:10 other posts 

There is nothing to correct, because there is no point.
By tecsan [Ignore] 16,Aug,22 04:00 other posts 
They were willing to screw right. WILLING.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Sep,22 10:46 other posts 
You've never heard of, obviously. Right-wingers were attacking a hospital that provided abortion for a 10 year old victim, which is actually their responsibility by law, even in states where abortion is now banned, because pregnancy would endanger the little girl.
By tecsan [Ignore] 06,Sep,22 01:00 other posts 
Sounds like left wing BS.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Sep,22 13:25 other posts 
Oh really? Republicans would allow abortion for 10 year old victims?
By phart [Ignore] 18,Aug,22 14:14 other posts 
hard to agree with some of your ideas when you can't even agree on the simple FACTS.
Closed legs, no babies.
vasecotmys,no babies.

no abortions needed.
And I don't what planet you are from but in the big city locally women do just fuck recklessly and stop in at the clinic like they were getting their hair done.
That shit needs to stop. Murder is murder.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Sep,22 13:13 other posts 
I've been accused of hating Americans, but no one hates Americans just like you.
According to you, they're all lazy and should be deprived of any social benefits or they'll just sit on their ass all day. The American women get abortions just like they were getting their hair done. And American parents would send their kids to clinics to get their private parts cut off, unless right-wingers 'protect' them. Americans who smoke a bit of weed should be locked up forever or just executed, to be sure they don't turn into drug addicts. Americans who want to use another restroom just want to If you don't arm yourself, Americans come take your stuff and kill you.

I would imagine you would love abortion. It prevents more Americans from being born. Are you sure you want all those extra horrible Americans around?
By phart [Ignore] 06,Sep,22 17:43 other posts 
So I guess you are in favor of this?

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There is serious discussion about doing hysterectomies on prepubescent girls for the sake of gender reaffirm.
This can't be good for a k1d.I HOPE it is all HYPE.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,22 10:20 other posts 
If people desire gender-affirming care, I am in favor of allowing that.
People should be FREE to be who they want to be.
Can't you read? It's right there: "We only perform gender-affirming hysterectomies on patients who are age 18 or older."

Has anyone actually presented any evidence, when they claim hospitals
do hysterectomies on younger patients? Because I haven't seen any.
(That audio recording is from some desk clerk, who obviously knows nothing)
These are just obvious lies to keep the stupid culture war going.
Or don't you even care that they are lying, as long as the outrage and violence that the lies create serve your purpose?

Understand that it's not YOUR purpose. You are just getting your head filled with bullshit, with the only purpose of distracting you from issues that actually matter.
They are doing that, so you are an accomplice in your own oppression.
You are in poverty and bad health, because you are brainwashed into thinking people deserve nothing, so the rich can take everything. They point you to some imaginary enemy and you are fooled. They are laughing how easy it is.

Do you even look at your own links? One is some repost from a stupid Twitter account on a just as stupid Australian, right-wing, ideologue, fake-news website and the other is mostly confirming that right-wingers are going mad over the newest fake outrage story. Are they supposed to be credible references?

But I have seen evidence on people threatening that hospital and hospitals like that. Just look on YouTube and see Matt Walsh asking for violence against that hospital. By the way, according to US laws, that's a violation that transgresses limits on freedom of speech, so Matt Walsh should be banned from YouTube,
at least temporary. He has clearly caused danger for the hospital and patients.

Why would hospitals do such a thing? Profit motives?
Maybe reconsider your for-profit privatized healthcare system then.
By tecsan [Ignore] 17,Aug,22 22:49 other posts 
What about the blood/brain barrier?
By tecsan [Ignore] 13,Aug,22 01:46 other posts 
Sure there were not some socialist views that caused that???
By CAT [Ignore] 13,Aug,22 07:30 other posts 
No. Just Biblical
By tecsan [Ignore] 14,Aug,22 03:27 other posts 
Think you are referring to libturds.
By CAT [Ignore] 14,Aug,22 08:11 other posts 
No. I'm referring to the rabid Christian ultra right
By tecsan [Ignore] 14,Aug,22 22:28 other posts 
You will figure it out one day I think.
By Xoner [Ignore] 16,Aug,22 20:38 other posts 
and neither is her brain

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