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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by #485312 [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By tecsan [Ignore] 11,Sep,23 03:41 other posts 
FICTION. Think that takes care of the second question.


By phart [Ignore] 05,Sep,23 19:11 other posts 
Gee, I wonder what else get's manipulated by the media??
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 11:05 other posts 
You're showing it!
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 11:44 other posts 
TO YOU DINGDONG!!!
I am not the only 1 that is potentially manipulated. YOU ARe MUCH MORE susceptible than I am.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 12:09 other posts 
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 17:59 other posts 
Another MSN repost, now from The Telegraph.
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It's about the same guy!
His statements about wildfires doesn't refute climate change.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 21:39 other posts 
ok, well you find similar info from a site you trust then.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Sep,23 14:24 other posts 
I don't consider this next source that trustworthy, but still more trustworthy than yours.
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Their article explains how the science of Patrick Brown got over-hyped and that his findings did "found, to a reasonable degree of certainty, that climate change has in fact increased wildfire risk in the recent past and will increase it even more in the near future. The paper is well-reasoned, not obviously overhyped, and peer-reviewed. It echoes many other recent studies with similar findings. Brown even stands by it." Note that the science isn't overhyping anything, but the article writing about it did overhype his science. It doesn't say what they say it says. That's why you should read the articles itself and not trust anyone's opinion on them.

Here is what Patrick Brown says about it himself (the most trustworthy sourse):
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Other source provide another answer to the narrative that climate scientists are manipulating their data.
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So, you've got one scientist, that refutes himself what was said about him.
I've got him and every other scientist on my side. I've told you before that secondary climate change effects are harder to substantiate. That's because other factors are obviously acting upon them. Wildfires are indeed dependent on preventative measures and stupid people who set fire to forests unfortunately exist. Those are factors in research like Brown's, looking further in the chain of causality
(CO2 increase -> temperature increase -> droughts -> wildfires).

Here is Patrick Brown explaining his research.
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Starting from 9:00, he explains that wildfires are multi-causal events and everything he explains afterwards is completely consistent with the claims of climate change,
that all other serious climate scientists support.

That was you being susceptible to the lying media. They claimed something
that you liked, but it turned out that they were twisting a science article to claim
something it doesn't claim, and that scientist himself is refuting them.


By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 12:17 other posts 
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So tell me,why is it, that it is perfectly ok for wealthy democrats to out to the desert and BURN all kinds of stuff in a towering inferno leave their literal SHIT in the desert, but then, want cow farts caught in jars to save the environment?
is hypocrisy a good word to use for this?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 12:45 other posts 
Wow, you're on that shite MSN a lot.
Get some information from honest sources sometimes.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 16:39 other posts 
It is a liberal company,you mean they aint honest????
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 17:50 other posts 
It's at maximum a bit to the liberal side of the center.
It's corporate media. Have I ever told you to trust corporate media?
I always clearly state that you can trust the liberal corporate media about 50%
of the time and be sure that right-wing corporate media lie at least 90% of the time.

Also, MSN is just reposting 'news' from other sources.
This was a Daily Mail article, which is clearly right-wing biased media.


By #700447 13,Aug,23 14:07
Well, since the Earth is emerging from a naturally-occurring ice age, it would be warming anyway even if humans never existed. Since we do exist, our impact upon the environment has accelerated the warming.

Now, that doesn’t mean the average global temperature won’t stagnate or even drop for several years. But when the data collected is observed over the lengths of decades, it will still be warming over all.

It’s just like stocks. The average of good stocks just don’t rise and rise and rise. The drop at times and recover.

So, as the species that has contributed to the accelerationnof the natural warming trend the Earth is already undergoing, we owe it to ourselves to always look into and develop ways to reduce our impact.

No matter what our best efforts result in, and no matter if everything we’ve built could disappear in a split second, the Earths climate will continue to grow warmer on average.

Even if we make an impact after spending trillions of dollars to achieve a small dent in the problem, a super-volcanic eruption or a space-borne impactor strike would efase our efforts like they weren’t even there.

But don’t ever expect me to buy an electric vehicle. I’d rather walk. And I’ll be 63 in a few weeks.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 15,Aug,23 14:05 other posts 
How do you know the Earth is emerging from a naturally-occurring ice age?
Were you there?

No, scientists told you. So, how do you decide when to accept science and when not?
What data and models did you use to convince yourself that they are wrong?
Or have you just decided that they must be wrong, because you don't like it?
By phart [Ignore] 05,Sep,23 19:14 other posts 
What data did YOU use to decide so called "climate change deniers" are wrong?
Your data has no more credibility than scientific data that does NOT support the climate narrative
Check the link
Are YOU sure you are getting the WHOLE truth?
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 10:09 other posts 
Data? It's called science. You should look into it for once.
But, of course you believe an article with just another anecdote,
that is not refuting any of the facts. How does this convince you?
Just blame it on 'poor fire management' and not the heat records
that get broken every single year. Hear is some of that 'data':
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Clear enough? If not, why not?

To manage that Canadian forest, they need every single Canadian.
About 10 hectares per man, woman and child, sounds manageable, right?
A bit difficult for the parts that are 100 miles away from civilization though.

You see the whole world baking, burning and drowning and you believe them saying "Don't believe your lying eyes!".

How many 'natural' disasters do you need to see, before you start to understand?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 11:43 other posts 
What part of your very words, "natural disaster" don't you understand?
Just as you imply we can fix the climate with a tax and a bicycle, I am implying the people can manage their resources like the forest and not LOOSE them totally..
California is a good example of lost woodlands due to greenie weenie Sierra club types not wanting to cut a tree limb.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 12:53 other posts 
It's still nature that is acting up in extreme ways, creating disasters.
The cause of that is of course not natural, but of human origin.
That's why I put it between quotation marks, as you surely noticed.

But you didn't answer the question, how many record heatwaves, droughts, floods, mudslides and wildfires does it take, for you to recognize that it isn't caused by just natural processes anymore?


By Fixittight [Ignore] 06,Sep,23 13:44 other posts 
It's a hoax all these big names that are pushing the global warming agenda how are ccs are going to rise and flood everything ask him why they built multi-million dollar homes seaside then. Ask the banks why they financed a losing proposition like that. And last but not least let's not forget the insurance companies that insure them multi-million dollar Mansions why would they do that if it's going to be underwater in 10 years
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Sep,23 10:25 other posts 
What is the hoax here? Is it the measurements?
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Sure, a house on the coast can get blown apart by a hurricane and it will be under water in 50-100 years. No one says that the sea level will rise that high in 10 years.
If you actually READ what science is claiming, you would know that.
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It's around the year 2100 that the sea level will start to become a problem, for them.
However for countries like mine, The Netherlands, which is mostly under sea level,
it demands costly investments in strengthening coastal protection, already today.

Meanwhile, the coast is a nice place to be, when it's fucking 120 °F outside.
The wealthy can buy 100 or 1000 of those houses. They don't have to care about
where they buy one of them, to live there in the summer, unlike YOU.
And if the house survives, they can always sell that house again, to some Texan,
fleeing Texas heat, who doesn't believe in climate change.

They cannot take their wealth with them in the grave, just like you.
But unlike you, they can waste money, to live where they want, when they want.
And because it doesn't affect them, the wealthy who make their money from oil,
are spreading lies for you, that their business doesn't affect YOU.


By #665411 03,Aug,23 09:54
I do believe in it. However it’s one of them things that it can be difficult discern what is fact and what is fiction. Because each side of this issue puts lots of bullshit out there because each wants people to believe only what they say is fact.
By phart [Ignore] 03,Aug,23 11:56 other posts 
follow the money. And if they say more taxes and fees will fix it, they are full of shit
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Aug,23 15:16 other posts 
Every problem requires money to solve. Why do you think this is an argument?
By #665411 09,Aug,23 14:27
Every single fucking politician fucking steals fucking money for their own fucking thing so stop fucking trying to fucking pretend your fucking politicians don’t fucking steal the fucking money too! And that fucking includes your precious fucking Republicans.
By dgraff [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 06:53 other posts 
Good thing this is a sex site your doing a whole lot of fucking or are you suffering from Tourette’s syndrome
Follow the science. Think Why, why, why, why, why, until you find the basic principles supporting or rejecting it. I'll give you hint were to look first; What is it about Carbon Dioxide that is supposed to make the air warmer? I think that is the last why that you can ask, but if you find a deeper one, I'll be interested.
By phart [Ignore] 03,Aug,23 17:21 other posts 
it is a argument because the money going into government coffers is NOT being used to actually fix any issues.

A cheap solution to pollution? for starters, find a fuel that burns that won't make holes in the atmosphere over florida and anywhere else rockets are launched.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Aug,23 04:48 other posts 
Most of those tax-dollars are directly funneled to big companies, to entice them to do something about climate change. That's how corporatists handle any situation; throw money at the corporations and ask them nicely to solve the problem. So it's not going into 'government coffers' (your government has a 122.8% dept to GDP), but into CEO and investor pockets. At least that money is fixing something; the US is up to 23% electricity generation from renewable sources.

A country like Norway just invests into renewable energy PUBLICLY, resulting in government control over abundant cheap green energy, which they can sell to the rest of Europe. This already gives them a massive return on investment. The question is; does that require taxing their people to bankruptcy? In Norway, the average single worker faced a net average tax rate of 27.3% in 2022. The US average tax rate is 30.5%. Guess not!
Norway also increased the national debt, to pay for these investments, but they still kept it under 40% of GDP (less than a third the debt/GDP of the USA). They had a very low debt, because Norway didn't just give away their oil resources to oil companies, to enrich their owners. They kept it under public ownership, providing state income and a massive pension investment fund, worth $ 1444 billion, for its people. Now the massive green energy infrastructure is paying off their debt again and providing lots of jobs. They are the 7th richest country in the world, while producing 98% of its electricity from renewables.

A fuel that burns cleanly is natural gas. It doesn't make holes in the atmosphere, but it keeps adding carbon dioxide to the climate change problem. In the US, now 95% of the natural gas production requires fracking. That requires lots of acidic chemicals and those are polluting lots of your water sources. For example, together with their lead pipes, which get corroded from that acid, that caused the Flint Michigan water crisis, which I hope you heard about.
By phart [Ignore] 04,Aug,23 16:17 other posts 
Yea,the lead pipe thing, democrat run city not spending money where it should be spent.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Aug,23 14:48 other posts 
Nice how you can always find one detail where you can lash out against the Democrats over, while completely ignoring everything else, where Republicans
are absolutely your worst choice.
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Read the story of Flint and tell me where the Democrats are involved.
They mostly blame Republican Governor Rick Snyder and his administration for this.
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By #610414 12,Aug,23 16:17
Not to mention that the pipes are older than Adam.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 18:15 other posts 
And who's fault is that in a democrat run city? And why should it matter about age? Why wasn't better materials used in the first place.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 05:15 other posts 
To spend money, you first need to have money.
If you don't want to pay taxes, or only use it for the military, than the government doesn't have money to replace lead water pipes, which are ancient history in my country. The whole world used lead pipes, but modern countries spend money to replace old plumbing (plumbum is latin for lead).

If you deregulate and cut funding to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and state agencies under the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA), than they cannot enforcer the local governments to invest in the infrastructure and other things you need for safe drinking water.
Did you agree with the Democrats' Infrastructure bill? No, you didn't.
You are angry for the government not doing their jobs, but you are also angry about the government requiring money for that.
Now you found one area with one problem, caused by a Republican, but you disregard the problems being caused all over America, by Republican priorities of low taxes, cutting spending, deregulation and privatization of public utilities.
By #610414 12,Aug,23 16:15
What coffers? We are running a deficit.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 18:16 other posts 
Because the coffers of the politicians are full.


By tecsan [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 04:08 other posts 
Tell me, it has changed I believe from global cooling to gobal warming and now the new one is climate change. Just scare tactics by the left.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 04:21 other posts 
You're repeating propaganda from oil executives, who are protecting their wealth.

Why would the left want to scare you?

I wouldn't want to spend money on solar panels and wind turbines, if there was
no problem. It will be very expensive for me to electrify my home and my car.
I would prefer to spend my money on fun things, but I choose to spend it on this
very important thing. And I accept higher taxes for that same important thing.

What 'socialist' purpose would be served, by doing that?

I want free education, free healthcare, a living wage, affordable housing, affordable food, a fulfilling work-life balance and lots of other stuff that improves people's lives.
None of these goals are served, by inventing some problem and then spending money on solving that fictional problem, instead of spending that money on serving my goals.

So why?
By #610414 07,Aug,23 18:10
No, just Repucker ostriches burying their head.
By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 19:21 other posts 
Yeah right need i remind you of Covid when all the democrats ran around wearing silly masks and shutting down cities over a little flu bug i remember it well you democrats were like chicken little running around yelling the sky is falling how pathetic you people are
By #610414 08,Aug,23 05:58
A million plus American citizens died from Covid. Just a silly flu bug. Tell it to the survivors left with lifelong health problems and the loved ones those victims left behind.
Like I've said, "ostrich"
By dgraff [Ignore] 08,Aug,23 06:32 other posts 
Now take 10 percent of that million and that is your real number im not saying it didn’t exist im just saying it was blown way out of proportion I can’t wait to see how you guys react to the next pandemic bill gates sets free just in time for the 2024 election get your silly masks ready
By #610414 08,Aug,23 10:35
Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t know you counted the deaths. Well, please, write Trump to get his followers to ignore hundreds of reports and start listening to you. I once told Bella! why I use this emoticon, . Here goes
By tecsan [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 23:51 other posts 
Just describing libtards again, if the libtards do illegal shit then libtard thinking is the conservatives are too. Sorry assed excuse if you ask me.

I do believe I was stating my opinon Ananas2xLekker. I need no government or corporation to think for me unlike you.
By #610414 08,Aug,23 06:00
You guys have been using that excuse for ever.
By tecsan [Ignore] 09,Aug,23 22:14 other posts 
But, now it is coming to fruition.
Complete and utter projection again.
We don't see libtards doing illegal shit, we see Trump break the law daily,
ten times before breakfast, and then we see Republicans coping, by denial,
conspiracy theories and weak whataboutisms, which fall flat every time.
There was a real Republican conspiracy to steal the election that Biden won,
and finally the law is catching up to them. All those traitors should go to prison
for a long long time.

Every single idea in your head originates from right-wing pundits, who's only job
is to lie to you, so you'll keep voting in favor of corporate interests.
By tecsan [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 02:44 other posts 
I had to stop reading with the first two lines which are absolutely absurd. But of course you already knew that.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Aug,23 06:57 other posts 
Wow, you couldn't even come up with another reply than in chat.


By phart [Ignore] 06,Aug,23 08:52 other posts 
Greenland was not always covered in ice!
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Climate change happened ALONG time ago.
By #610414 06,Aug,23 20:09
You live in the past. Is it not possible for history to repeat itself? The Sahara Desert was once a lush area of the world. Let me ask you, “Why does the idea that climate change happens all the time and that we, as a species, are helping to change the climate, bother you so much?
This is no longer a crackpot idea brought forth in the last half of the twentieth century. Now there concrete proof that the climate is changing at a rate not seen before. Why question it?
By phart [Ignore] 06,Aug,23 21:55 other posts 
Because the government is behind it with money making regulations and taxs and fees and such.

A couple friends came by yesterday and we were discussing this subject and they compared the climate change thing being pushed by kerry,biden and others to be like Y2K. Remember that scam. The government and private industry had the whole country scared to death the world was going just implode at midnight december 31. I was pumping gas in my car at 12:04 january 1st 2000. Very little if anything happened.
That is part of the reason why alot of us don't follow this climate thing.we simply don't trust the government or the folks pushing this narrative.
same type people pushing it.
Remember a short time ago if you were antivax you were the lowest of the low? Well now it is slowly coming out that the "vaccine" was bad ,just as we thought it was
By #610414 07,Aug,23 06:40
The government is not pushing it. It is reacting responsibly to warnings from the scientific community. Wait, I forgot, you don't believe in science. You just listen to your pastor an your friends.
BTW. Y2K was brought to the world's attention by the banking and investment industry as every date notation like 01/01/00 (January 1, 2000) would, perhaps, shut down the system. Now we use four digits for the year. I remember the government said, at the time, that everything would work out. Of course, people didn't believe the government. Hmmm, reminds me of someone.
How is this an argument for climate change not being real TODAY?
What would you expect to see, if climate change was man-made?

Do you accept that humans have almost caused the extinction of the white rhinoceros?
Why? Have no species gone extinct ever before?

Is no fire ever arson, because fires can happen 'naturally'?
By phart [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 11:27 other posts 
Volcanos spew pollution. People spew pollution. And we are all going to die, regardless if we sacrifice or not.
Live and live well and by the time the end comes, it will be some dumb sumbitch with a nuke.
Kinda like when I got hit by a truck It didn't matter if I had been eating well and jogging 3 miles a day or not ,I still got hit by a fucking truck. The climate is going to change, the earth is going to explode .And you still aint told me if the ice age will be before or after the warming?
By #610414 07,Aug,23 17:58
😖we are warming NOW. If there’s a new ice age it has to be after, but, if we keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, that will not happen.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Aug,23 20:17 other posts 
So why didn't they tell us about the warming before they told us about the cooling?
I remember the global cooling thing when i was in school.
Then after college it became global warming.
Now it is climate change.
They use that term because Regardless of what happens, it is changing! So they pegged it!
By #610414 08,Aug,23 06:13
It's as simple as knowing the time it's going to rain on your house in six weeks. It's very hard to be accurate. Scientists look at the data presented at the time they do their prognostications. If it changes, and it did, they change their predictions. Why so much BS from you? I want to know what's coming down the road. Don't you?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Aug,23 09:11 other posts 
Well, we were told a ice age is coming,and now they are telling us ,no a heat wave is coming, We best just wake up in the morning and look out the door and see for ourselves and quit listening to the fear mongers.
By #610414 08,Aug,23 10:46
What do you call overheated water off of South Florida? Stronger and more frequent wind storms? Heat waves hitting like non ever before? Street flooding from high tides? Polar ice caps (not supported by land) breaking off and melting? Glaciers melting to the earth below?
I think you should get out of your house more often.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Aug,23 12:37 other posts 
Maybe it's the Devils Triangle causing the heat in the water?
Oh, I am sure you forgot about that fairy tale


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