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Started by #485312 [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By phart [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 11:35 other posts 
It is my understanding that the new california laws regarding diesel trucks before 2007 being banned, even affects fire trucks and ambulances.
So the next big forest fire,Some of the rural departments will not be able to respond due to small budgets and truck to old.
STUPID I tell ye, stupid.
A 20 year fire truck may not have 3000 hours on the engine to begin with ,much less any miles .They are some of the best maintained vehicles on the road.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 12:10 other posts 
"...rural departments will not be able to respond due to small budgets and truck to old." Then they need to increase the budget, don't they. No one said saving humanity and nature would be cheap. But, it's cheaper than doing nothing, before the end.
After the end, no one cares about money anymore.
Still, lawmakers are always stupid, even if the mean well. Off course you only do away with the old firetrucks, AFTER replacing them. Start complaining when they don't do that, not when right-wing media is fearmongering that they won't.
Right-wing media always fails every single prediction. They get everything wrong,
all the time, but still you keep listening.

And they never offer any solutions. That would give you hope and calm your anger.
They want you angry and scared, so you will vote for a 'strong leader', telling you everything will be OK, if you vote for him. Then he will throw out everyone who is causing the 'problems'. Off course the problems will not go away, because denying the real problems will just make them worse. But maybe you will not be so afraid anymore, knowing 'big daddy' is there for you.

As a socialist, I understand that problems will only be solved, when people come together and demand change from their incompetent leaders, or we just throw them out and just solve the problems ourselves. Those 'strong leaders' never deliver any solutions.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 17:09 other posts 
It is not as easy to do as it is to type.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Jan,23 06:08 other posts 
Did I ever say it was easy?
I understand every single challenge associated with it.
But that's what got humanity to this point; overcoming challenges.

Humanity is declining in progress, because of complacency.
It's not the laziness you think, people are working their asses off.
It's laziness of thinking, people are averse to it.
Not only do people not want to think, they distrust others who do.
That results in everyone working hard, on our own destruction.


By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 03:20 other posts 
Can this question seriously be asked?
By CAT [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 10:44 other posts 
Yes, but with a laugh,🤣
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 22:24 other posts 
You show progress.


By phart [Ignore] 19,Jan,23 13:00 other posts 
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All jokes aside,if you are going to go a different route for energy production, you need raw materials to get started.
And this link shows our dependance on outside sources for raw materials.
I am confused as to why aluminum is such a problem as when I sell scrap aluminum it hardly brings enough to pay for the gas to take to the salvage yard.

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Energy conservation in hot weather could raise mortality rates, a new study that has reviewed data from Japan showed this week.

In other words, conservation is killing people.
is that what this is telling us?
So apparently technology such as air conditioning, has something to do with longer life spans?
Sad,we work our way out of the caves and into nice homes with tech that should make our lives better,only to have to back track to satisfy a few extremist
By CAT [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 10:51 other posts 
That's like saying that if you run out of gas you have to get out and push your car everywhere. For goodness sake, PUT SOME GAS IN THE TANK. Conservation is not denial of comfort. It means making comfort in an environmentally friendlier way.
Your energy requires raw materials now too. It's called oil and natural gas.
Maybe you didn't notice, but there is a global shortage of both, because a certain
Mr. Putin. That's why the whole world is accelerating the transformation to renewables.
If they started that years/decades ago, we wouldn't be in this kind of a hurry now.
Now it's creating shortages of raw materials, high prices and a labor shortage.

That's what happens, if shortsighted people run the world.
You only present problems, but you have no solutions, besides this one:
By phart [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 11:32 other posts 
Well at least it doesn't smell so bad in the sand as it does in the ass,like a liberal has to smell when they refuse to understand basic economics and current impacts of laws and rules.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 11:34 other posts 
Paint me a picture, describing the problem in basic economics then.
Every time economics has any involvement in your arguments, you show
no grasp of it in the slightest.

When resources are scarce, the price goes up. That happens with energy now.
That's why we need alternatives.

And preferably not alternatives that will kill everyone.


By phart [Ignore] 23,Jan,23 15:09 other posts 
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Meanwhile, coal burning plants could still be working instead of in moth balls!
Proven Tech,canceled out by chinese made JUNK
By CAT [Ignore] 23,Jan,23 22:08 other posts 
As usual you take a miniscule problem and make it out as the death of the industry. Why don't you report how many generators in power plants break down in x amount of time?
By phart [Ignore] 23,Jan,23 23:34 other posts 
Considering 1 of my college professors designed the control systems in several nuclear plants and 1 of my good friends worked Maintenace in a coal plant, I have some knowledge of that and the break downs are not that common, and there is plenty of back up systems in place if they do.
Windmills work and work well,but not at this scale. cost to much and to many issues.
By CAT [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 10:35 other posts 
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There are several plusses and minuses about wind power. The obvious one is that wind can't be made to blow at peak hours.
Just a few facts:
The typical wind turbine is 2-3 MW in power, so most turbines cost in the $2-4 million dollar range. Operation and maintenance runs an additional $42,000-$48,000 per year according to research on wind turbine operational cost.
What is the environmental payback period? The environmental payback period is the amount of time it takes for a wind turbine to generate the amount of energy used during manufacturing and installation. For most wind turbines, the time it takes to offset this energy use is between 6 months to a year.Aug 16, 2021
Investing in wind energy or wind projects is an excellent way to boost the US economy and keep energy costs down without negatively impacting the environment.Mar 15, 2022

Try doing that with a coal or natural gas power plant. And don't even bring in a nuclear plant into it.


By phart [Ignore] 20,Dec,22 10:05 other posts 
Ok see if you can tax this away!
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 06:37 other posts 
We are still here aren't we?
As far as we know, the sun has never caused a big extinction event.
So what is your argument?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 11:41 other posts 
21st is today.
this will prompt issues with communications and such.
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Earth’s magnetosphere is located in its magnetic field, which extends thousands of miles into space and its magnetism affects everything from global communication to animal migration and weather patterns.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Dec,22 04:10 other posts 
Sure, that happens sometimes. Just like for volcanoes erupting, earthquakes and other natural disasters that we don't have any control over, the best we can do is prepare for it and fix the damage afterwards. Better is prevention, but that is impossible for those things. It's not impossible for meteors, but very difficult. Still, if we can save humanity with a space program, that's better than waiting until we go the way of the dinosaur.

But using this as an argument against climate change is bullshit.
Every ton of CO2 that humanity doesn't emit, will lessen climate change.
Every ton of CO2 emitted will only make the effects of climate change worse.

There are lots of solutions and many are better and cheaper than the current fossil fuel based technology. But even if it is more expensive, not doing it will be more expensive and cost many lives and lots of suffering.

The US is spending $ 800 million per year to protect the people militarily.
How much is the US spending to protect the people from climate change?
How much is the US spending to protect the people from solar activity spikes?
How much is the US spending to protect the people from a meteor?
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Off course I meant 'The US is spending $ 800 Billion per year to protect the people militarily.', with a B.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Dec,22 11:01 other posts 
you have heard the old tin foil hat thing haven't you?
Well there is a tiny tidbit of fact in regards to that. Read about a faraday box.
The tinfoil would need to be grounded to be most effective.

I am sure you have also heard of the 2 steps forward 3 steps back saying. For every ton of co 2 we don't disperse, 3 tons come out of the volcano.
So how much headway are we really making in the long term?

Our extinction will happen. rather we extend it a 100 years or not with regulations.
Why can't we enjoy our lives without all this bickering and taxation?
By CAT [Ignore] 23,Jan,23 22:16 other posts 
Because every extra year is a gift well received.


By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,23 11:30 other posts 
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Well perhaps this will help illustrate the electric car is not the answer when all owners are expected to come to work and they can't charge their cars
Good thing is, this should help with their droughts to.
By CAT [Ignore] 23,Jan,23 22:12 other posts 
Why? The average electric car will go 200+ miles on one charge. The average commute to work is less than 10 miles. One charge will last one whole week and can be charged at home.


By phart [Ignore] 15,Jan,23 17:33 other posts 
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By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,23 11:31 other posts 
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By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,23 12:36 other posts 
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Worth a watch


By phart [Ignore] 20,Dec,22 23:14 other posts 
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Ok, so these stones were put into place to warn the future generations of drought and famine.
What caused the drought at that time that prompted the stones placement?
Couldn't be climate change, all that was going on man made at that time was Fire as in to cook and heat with. and yes the cows were farting and the men were to.
But, some are saying now, climate change has brought them out in the open again. I don't think they had dive suits back then and climate change is a new thing.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 06:40 other posts 
There have been ice ages many times before, pushing stones hundreds or thousands
of miles. Ice ages and hot periods interchanged each other for millions/billions of years.
Then the climate took millennia to change. Now it takes decades.
Do you understand the difference between millennia and decades?
That's a factor of 100, for if you don't.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Dec,22 11:41 other posts 
these rocks were placed by humans,not by nature.

just a example
Těchlovice near Děčín
50.705692°N 14.197161°E

Stone with multiple years: 1892, 1903, 1904, 1911, 1928, 1963, 2015 etc.

1892? eh, what were humans doing then? Maby a steam train,maby some stoves and fireplaces?


Dresden-Pillnitz, near the stairs of Pillnitz Castle's western sphinx
51.008237°N 13.869039°E

Years: 1778, 1893, 1904, 2003, 2018.

1778? eh what level of fossil fuel use were we at then?


By Markmeato [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 17:04 other posts 
May be, there is global warming, better than global cooling. Whoever states that it is manmade may deliver the proof. And dont say 97 percent of scientists agree. Science is not believing in authorities.
By CAT [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 22:24 other posts 
So, what do you believe in? If you don't believe in scientists and politicians are the authority, that doesn't leave many people to trust. Perhaps, you should go up Mount Horeb and look for the burning plant. Maybe He Can vouch for global warming.
Regardless of what you believe, I know that the seas are rising, the polar ice caps are melting, and cyclonic storms are getting stronger and more frequent. This is not from scientists or government agencies. I'm living it and seeing the results on the six o'clock news in color and HD.
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 22:45 other posts 
Really, it was on the six o'clock news, damn you have a very good news channel that 100% all the time tells the truth. Waiting for that channel to come to my area.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 09:00 other posts 
Really? I live across the bay from Miami Beach. Before the 1970's, Collins Ave areas during monster tides. Miami Beach is a barrier island and the rest of the island floods too. But, you say, it's a barrier island. Well, on the mainland, by the bayshore, it floods too. I don't need a weatherman or channel 4 evening newscast to tell me there's been a rise in the oceans.
During the last few years there's been news stories about glaciers that have been here since the last ice age, melting. We see stories of polar bears drowning because the ice cap is breaking up and the bears get tired of swimming. The breakup is due to ice melt. We just went through two hurricanes back to back here in Florida. Both were strong storms. The US is getting hit more often. California burns every dry season. The Colorado now is "El Rosado" (look it up). Lake Mead looks like a puddle. These are all things that I can see with my own eyes. These are not scientific predictions. These are real.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 07:58 other posts 
Cat, do a little reading and you find that as those glaciers melt, evidence of LIFE like plants and animal parts are being found. Indicating those places were not always ice! That water was somewhere before it became ice.Where was it,we don't know,but as it thaws,there is stuff under it.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 09:21 other posts 
Yes, the ice from the last ice age didn't just happen one day. It took many years of accumulated frozen water. As it froze, it trapped whatever was on the surface. Animals would die from the cold or other natural causes and freeze. You say, "Do a little reading". I'm way ahead of you, lollipop.
I recommend Jean M Auel Earth's Children Series Six Book Set [Clan of the Cave Bear, Valley of the Horses, Mammoth Hunters, Plains of Passage, Shelters of Stone, and Land of Painted Caves]
They are fictional, but, the author has made extensive research on the last ice age and it's effects on Eastern Europe. She's recognized as an authority on the subject.
Getting back to your post. This globe we live in is in a constant state of change. The Sahara used to be a vibrant grassland with trees and other fauna and flora thriving in it. That is undeniable. Did you know there was a Little Ice Age that affected Northern Europe and North America between the 14th and 19th century? The winters were bitterly cold, more so than now. So what? What do you and Tecsan want to convey?
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 09:27 other posts 
I am trying to convey what you just confirmed,the world has always been changing and taxes are not going to stop it.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 10:04 other posts 
When, please tell me, when was it said that TAXES would stop it? All that's been said is that WE CAN SLOW DOWN THE UN-NATURAL MAN MADE ACCELERATION BY BEING MORE CAREFUL WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT, and investing in changes to those things that contribute to the manmade acceleration. You want us to believe that since it's going to happen, then, fuck it, let it happen in any speed. I, personally don't want my house to become beachfront property or have skin cancer over 50% of my body. I don't want to have to build a bunker to survive monster storms. I don't want to have to invest or pay for a desalination unit to get drinking water. You reminme of those union busters that sit back, don't pay your dues, and get the same benefits as those of us that do, because, baby, there are enough sane people that will try to make the changes needed even if you keep denying it to yourself.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 13:47 other posts 
apparently the democrats think taxing and regulating will stop the climate change or they would be doing something ELSE besides that.
Have you not looked under a car hood since you bought your mustang? there is alot of shit under the hood of the cars now that has NOTHING to do with making it move but makes it less "polluting".
Gas mileage has not risen that much in decades.
Hell a 55 chevy would get 25 to the gallon driven with good sense ,and it had little to NO smog stuff at all.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 16:43 other posts 
That last sentence is totally wrong. A 55 Chevy would run lousy on unleaded gasoline and LEAD is the main emission that was hurting humanity. Most of the "stuff" you see under the hood these days is to make it GO with a smaller engine.
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That's called making it efficient. A smaller engine uses less gas. And, BTW, a 55 Chevy got 12 miles/gallon and that was on their straighsix engine. I personally know because my older brother had a 55 Chevy. Gas was very cheap. There were two gas stations on opposite corners of NW 27 ave and 14th street, in Miami, in 1966, that were constantly at war. They used to sell for $0.09/gal. In Florida you could get your operator's licence at 16. My dad would give me $5 on Saturday morning and I could drive to the beach, buy a Whopper, fries, and a coke for $0.90 and still go to the movies with my friends that evening.


By phart [Ignore] 08,Dec,22 12:20 other posts 
Send Greta to the front lines and have her say "How dare YOU!" to Putin for this war and see if it will help. Can't hurt.
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The war is harming the environment. Bet ye didn't think about that did you? I didn't realize how much of a impact it was making myself until I read about it. But yet if we charge our electric cars during off peak hours and eat to foo all will be fine? Yea right.
By CAT [Ignore] 08,Dec,22 14:57 other posts 
War is never good for any reason and really, really bad for many reasons. I'm surprised how many conservatives make fun of a girl that is genuinely concerned with the well being of her fellow humans. Charging your e-car during off-peak hours is a heck of a lot better than driving your gas guzzler to McDonalds at any hour. Walk, ride a bike, cook at home, but, no, let's put down an invention that may help with the problem of ACCELERATED global warming because it may cause inconveniences.
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The average e-car has a range of 250+/- miles per charge. When I was working my round trip commute to work was about 11 miles. That's 55 miles/week. Then there's the trips to the stores. Add another 10 miles/week for that. The weekends had farther destinations like the going to the beach, dinning in Ft Lauderdale, etc. That put at least another 30 miles . Let's round that to 50 miles.
So, in one busy week, that amounts to a total of 115 miles. Now, suppose my
e-car is a 3 yr old and the batteries now hold 90% of charge. That would mean that one charge would go 225 miles. It seems to me I could charge once every two weeks. You know I would not do that. You know that when I got home and wasn't expecting to go out again that day, I would hook it up to shore power (charge). That is not much different to my gasoline car, except for the convinience of not having to go to a gas station or having money to buy gasoline.
Charging your electric car is cheaper than filling up a traditional vehicle with gasoline.
There are initial cost (besides the cost of the car) charger installation is around $2000, but, for in-town use? Not bad at all. It's cleaner and cheaper to operate.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Dec,22 18:58 other posts 
greta is a groomed girl with a disability. No way someone that young can comprehend how the world works or understand what she is talking about is really unrealistic.

"From her first moments in the spotlight, Greta has been open about her autism (she uses the term Asperger's syndrome), obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), and selective mutism."
By CAT [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 09:06 other posts 
That's your opinion but you are wrong. Go check. Autism and OCD don't have to interfere with a person's ability to function with distinction. What she's talking about a third grader would be able to understand. For those of you that didn't make it to the third grade, she's saying we are contributing to the acceleration of global warming and our eventual destruction if we don't change our ways. So simple.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 10:33 other posts 
and she has been to college to learn how to determine these things on her own? She knows how to run test and such to determine this on her own? No, she is to damn young to have determined these things on her own. She was TOLD and is simply repeating what she heard.with some compassion and whining inserted for effect.
By CAT [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 11:14 other posts 
May I remind you that a college student GETS TOLD what he/she needs to know to successfully complete a course? Why not her get told and comprehend what she was told in order to pass it on? I don't need to be a nuclear physicist to know an atom bomb can destroy a city. Get over that the messenger is a young, autistic, OCD'd, WOMAN. Focus on the MESSAGE. that is the important part. Don't come here to tell us her message is already evident. You know better.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 15:45 other posts 
Uh, excuse me but I went to college as well, and sure I was told alot. BUT I WAS ALSO TAUGHT how to LEARN MORE by my own hands and actions. NOT to depend solely on what I was told-taught
By CAT [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 17:10 other posts 
And you are not willing to concede that, maybe, she did the same? Check this out.
People with autism have a greater than normal capacity for processing information even from rapid presentations and are better able to detect information defined as "critical," according to a new study. The research may help explain the apparently higher than average prevalence in the IT industry of people with autism spectrum disorders.
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By phart [Ignore] 09,Dec,22 18:18 other posts 
Well, there are usually gifted in 1 way or another when they have that issue. Can't deny it.
BUT still, if she was working for a conservative cause, you would be saying negative things about her would you not?
By CAT [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 09:50 other posts 
No. The difference with the current "crop" of conservatives is that they are not real conservatives. They are negative people that in order to get their point across, they personally attack whomever has an opposing view without weighing the possibility that that person could be right. If I was listening to Greta argue in favor of a conservative view, I would ask for proof or, at least, a trend, that proves her views. I would not say she's too..................Fill in whatever. You have driven me to personally put you down, and that was wrong, but, how many times have I asked you for proof? Ananas, who is a thinking man with no ulterior motives, has done the same. Notice that you, Tecsan, Dgraff, and several others, attack the person without regard for the subject.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 10:00 other posts 
The messenger ,and their credentials are just as important as the message it's self.
By CAT [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 10:10 other posts 
Yes, but, the message is much more. Hear the messenger and, after, if there's proof or lack of, then make up your mind
By phart [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 14:08 other posts 
greta's credentials equal that of flat earthers and people that identify as squirrels

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Sheesh,there are some fucking nuts out there.

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If the world was flat, cats would have pushed us and everything else off the edge by now people.Get real!
By CAT [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 17:04 other posts 
Now, see? this is what we were talking about in the other thread. Prove Greta's credentials equal that of flat earthers
By phart [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 17:26 other posts 
Prove they are better! You can't she aint even old enough to be in college yet!
This by far the worst link for accurate info but at least it proves I aint the only 1 that thinks the way I do.
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"On August 10, 1969, The New York Times quoted a 37-year-old scientist predicting a new ice age and that “everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989.”


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""Is she the chief economist or who is she? I'm confused," Mnuchin jokingly replied to a question about the Swedish teenager's call for America to immediately transition away from fossil fuels, according to Reuters.

"After she goes and studies economics in college, she can come back and explain that to us," he added."

She is just a kid,that did make 14 A's and several B's in school last year. So not dumb,just not old enough or has any cloat to be talking to world leaders about climate change when she does not understand the economic impact of what she is being used to push.

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And leo thinks I am crazy!
By CAT [Ignore] 10,Dec,22 22:17 other posts 
That is denigrating the person. You have no idea what she's capable of, and, if so many on the right are so cavalier about her, then she must be making uncomfortable allegations. The girl is smart beyond her years.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 07:59 other posts 
Not afraid of her,afraid of the older people that don't have enough sense not to be influenced by her and do their own research.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 09:29 other posts 
And come up with what? Will age influence the truth?
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 13:18 other posts 
EXPERIANCE will influence the "truth". Matter of fact it may even change what she "perceives" as the truth or has been told to be truth.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 13:36 other posts 
Still, the truth is the truth. If she's speaking the truth now, not gaged by her knowledge, but, by reality, with age, all she will be able to add to it, is a better understanding. The truth will not change.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 13:45 other posts 
"If she's speaking the truth now"

and for most of us that is questionable.
By CAT [Ignore] 11,Dec,22 16:30 other posts 
You are making an assumption. "for most of us" may or may not be true. And questionable? That too is a personal view.


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