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Started by licksipsuckit [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50  other posts
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By notynyt [Ignore] 05,Jun,21 07:17 other posts 
Like our life cycle, the life cycle of the whole world goes on. As we are born, then we are young. Then they get old. And after the end of our life, then a new birth takes place in some other form. As we grow up we tend to use more space and consume more. After a while it stops. And the process of happening again starts. So is the life of trees. Starts from seed and takes the form of a big tree. Trees also give birth to many other trees in their lifetime. The life cycle of all the living beings of the world is the same. This is how the life cycle of our entire universe takes place. And our earth too. What do we do to stay healthy? Have nutritious diet. Stay away from those who do harm. We constantly try to maintain our physical and mental balance. In the same way, we should continuously try for the good health of our environment and the earth. Since we are human, we consume more than other living beings, then it becomes our duty to take care of this atmosphere like our life.
It is beyond fact and fiction. It is a political ideology. When a large group is to be united, political ideology is resorted to. So that harmony can be established in the society.
By licksipsuckit [Ignore] 05,Jun,21 17:32 other posts 
yeah, we were given the perfect living space, it was balanced and full of wonder, now we are destroying what is wonderful and changing it to a place that is not paradise, we take far too much from the crust of our bread, our foot prints will be the ones that scar the earth for ever, or until it finally fails us, thats when we'll take notice, although after seeing the skies in places like china, the people still didnt care enough to do anything about it.. they couldnt breath the air, or see blue sky, so they opened 'oxygen bars' and placed pictures of clear skies on bill boards???? that has to be madness, I couldnt live in a city without sky, or a place where I couldnt breath, but some people will 'accept' this as a reasonable way to live..
surely our brains are big enough to see what it right and wrong and not accept this from the leaders of these places. But sadly ... as a whole, humanity accepts destruction as normal, and capitalism is fine!! so long as some rich cunt is making a motza and the rest of us are coughing up lungs from pollution, this is acceptable.. *lix*
By notynyt [Ignore] 17,Jun,21 12:29 other posts 
You said the right thing. Ego prevails in a capitalist society. Where there is ego, there is no value for humanity and love. They want to get everything with money. Now thousands of people died in India due to lack of oxygen. Oxygen was not available even after paying money. I don't know whether people will understand or not. I feel very proud sometimes my culture has taught me to love nature. We say here, you keep doing your duty. Don't look at others. You will love you will get love from nature. ❤️

By phart [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 20:58 other posts 
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By onthelose [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 17:34 other posts 
When all the climate change believers start doing their part to reduce emission's I will do my part. Do you drive, do you use electricity, do you shop at any stores[trucks deliver the stuff on the shelves] do you eat food you don't raise yourself[ farmers use gas powered machines to grow the food you take for granted. Do you fly anywhere. These are just some of the things you want us to give up. I say you first ,then maybe we will all follow!!!
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 19:30 other posts 
are you kidding? Kerry flys around in a jet plane to tell others they need to walk and stuff.
Hypocrites I think is what you could safely call most climate change believers.
Hardly anything is done with out some form of pollution.
You trade 1 type for another.
Coal ash and fumes, ok trade that for a underground storage facility full of nuclear waste leaking into the water table in washington state, or unrecyclable lithium ion battery's to be stored underground for eon's.
There is no free ride..

Sure this is WW2 era stuff leaking NOW,but what will happen to the stuff stored 20 years ago.Or being stored NOW? IF the future is so important, then think first.

Officials say an underground nuclear waste storage tank in Washington state that dates to World War II appears to be leaking contaminated liquid into the ground. ... Tank B-109, the latest suspected of leaking, holds 123,000 gallons (465,000 liters) of radioactive waste.Apr 29, 2021
By ANGEL1227! [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 10:39 other posts 
Sure, Phart meanwhile all you shit kicking mid-westerners Phart uncontrollably
By phart [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 15:15 other posts 
Hey,if humans were not forced to eat plants,there would be less gas's to pass!
And folks like you MOVE DOWN HERE so apparently the farts don't smell that bad to ye
I have a very fuel economical car and 2500 watt of solar panels. But people cannot prevent climate change by themselves. The biggest CO2 emitters are companies.
There are just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global CO2 emissions.
International cooperation and regulation is the only way to reduce those CO2 emissions.
Politicians are just trying to convince you that you can change the world, so they don't have do something that upsets their donors. Everyone can do something, but it won't help enough.

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By MikeNDillon [Ignore] 11,Jun,21 21:05 other posts 
The Earth will be here for a few more billion years until the Sun expands in its red giant phase swallowing it. We as a species will most likely be long gone due to our extreme penchant of hand wringing until things are past the point to save us and turning our home planet into a waste dump. Hey good news for roaches. They will have all the human waste to feed on as the Sun changes and they get to watch. Whether you believe or not it would do yourself some good to study growth and decay functions for organisms to see where we as a species are going. No need for an asteroid this time. Our blindness and arrogance will be our undoing.
By ANGEL1227! [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 10:35 other posts 
I don’t believe loosing your life is part of the program.
By MikeNDillon [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 11:49 other posts 

Humans are arrogant. They believe they are killing the planet. When in actuality we are only killing ourselves. The planet will still be here.

Unless you believe we as a species are worth saving. Seeing all the hatred and other negative qualities on view in the last administration makes me wonder if we are. But I am still hopeful for a positive change.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 12:31 other posts 
The planet, as a rock in space will survive. We are also killing nature in a big way. Change doesn't come by itself. Every little bit of progress has been fought for.
By ANGEL1227! [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 14:51 other posts 
If God created us, he’s the only one that has a right to end us

By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 14:24 other posts 
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Are humans causing this?

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This is a threat to our very lives.

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UM.Something ol Greta didn't think about?

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Jun,21 13:07 other posts 
Sure, I know about this. The magnetic poles has shifted a few times. During the shift, the earth is less protected from solar wind. That has the potential to destroy the ozone layer. It can be devastation to nature and the next time it happens we would be pretty rough.

However, scientist measure the magnetic field and there is nothing going on with it. That article is talking about 41,800 years ago. In just decades there is rapid rising of the global CO2 concentration and huge deforestation. Even a basic understanding of physics is enough to link that with the rising global average temperature. It's good to look at alternative explanations and scientists do and they conclude that all those other factors cannot cause what is observed.

Would you care if climate scientists are right and earth is actually heating up to mass extinction levels?
If it is possible to prevent that, without going back to the stone age, would you still prefer we didn't even try?
By ANGEL1227! [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 10:40 other posts 
Let’s change the orbit of the moon
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 12:28 other posts 
To 0 km, that will solve everything!

By ANGEL1227! [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 10:34 other posts 
Republican congressman suggests changing moon's orbit to fight climate change

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I’m with him. The simple solutions always work best

By My6inchs [Ignore] 14,Jun,21 09:10 other posts 
As long as trees are being cut down,replaced with asphalt roads,the earth can't cool like it needs ,when it's hot outside we look for shade, the earth needs it to

By tecsan [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 00:27 other posts 
Hoax...Sure things change, but takes years that no living person can vision...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 13:55 other posts 
I'm sure you are saying this after an extensive investigation of the facts.
My personal investigation results in the opposite conclusion; I noticed it got hotter during my life. Also not as many bugs anymore lately, which is more comfortable, but makes me worry about nature.
Also, I can read and understand scientific articles and see that their data, methods and arguments are correct.
Then I hear arguments of politicians, saying climate change is a hoax, with very stupid arguments and I know that they are lying. Then I take a look at their wealth and how
they got it and I understand why they are lying.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 14:13 other posts 
Most of what scientist do is make theory's. Facts are scant sometimes.

Has your personal investigation included determining who is paying for the work of scientist trying to prove climate change?
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 14:35 other posts 
Ok. I challenge you to this:

Count the money behind "people paying for work of scientists trying to prove climate change" and the potential payoff.

Compare this count to the money funding "scientists" , websites, movements, lobbyists, politicians, etc. and the potential payoff for having the public unsure about the cause of climate change, thus allowing government to respond with appropriate legislation/regulation.

I would like to see the thorough count, por favor.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 17:13 other posts 
Ok, so since you seem to know so much more than me, why is it up to me to try to figure out where to look? If climate change is so important to folks like yourself why isn't the info you are asking me to find not already out there for folks to read? Info such as who paid the bills?

It is blatantly obvious the truth is not to be had thru common media sources.This internet is so bleached,it is white as snow for truth.

I am not dismissing your challenge ,I ask what I think is a good question. And I have looked around for some answers but came up short on anything I can trust. You could use the dr faulchy gate for a example of what I am referring to as to who is paying the bills.
By Strongmember# [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 20:12 other posts 
I will admit I have done a good portion of one half, which is finding the money behind "entities that would prefer climate change debunked." For years it has largely been petroleum invested corporations. Now I think we can all agree, whether these folks lobbied against climate change or not, that petroleum stands to benefit immensely if man-made climate change were to be dismissed.

How about other energy industries.. Coal? God help me if I was in charge I would give all the coalminers in the US free pension for life and shut down the industry. I believe it is the greedy folks on top who use the coalminers to their political benefit every election. It is still an ok energy source but outdated, soon extinct.

Before I ramble, you can check lobbying dollars spent on US Senate and Congressman per industry. Oil has been consistently up there for years.

I will concede, one of the biggest spenders recently was Healthcare Industry, and they went hard for Biden, which is potentially corrupt as well, just to show that I am kind of person to follow the numbers and data, even if it disappoints my original thesis.

By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 22:37 other posts 
We may not always agree but hey,you have done your research,that is good.!
phart, you are always very confident that climate change doesn't exist or that it exists but it is not caused by us. Either conviction requires facts. So what facts convince you?

And why are the facts that support climate change not convincing to you?

Do you have reason to think the following facts are not true?
- The burning of fossil fuels has raised the global CO2 concentration.
- Humanity has destroyed one-third of all forest in the world (an area twice the size of the United States).
- The average global temperature has risen higher than ever, during at least the last 2000 years.

Because the only people who can tell us are scientists. And if we don't even agree on the facts, we can never agree on the conclusions.

By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Jun,21 13:41 other posts 
Rep. Gohmert: Change Moon's Orbit For Climate!
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By phart [Ignore] 02,Jun,21 15:42 other posts 
OK here is a page about a volcano causing major issues.Matter of fact,mentions a more recent event in the 1800's.
I think alot of us have been trying to explain this for years and NO one will listen.SO HERE,READ the science.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Jun,21 14:31 other posts 
This article explains no correlation between climate and volcano eruptions, because there is none or at least not at the moment. Volcano eruptions can affect the temperature on earth for years, but that is not a 'climate' effect. Climate is an average over decades. The average global temperature has been rising for many decades now. The only viable explanation for this is the rising carbon dioxide concentration.

The ozone layer also has none or little effect on climate change. People were worried about the ozone layer, because it protects us (and the rest of nature) against harmful UV radiation. That's why governments agreed to stop using ozone destroying chemicals, with regulation.
That actually helped, which shows that humanity IS capable of preventing the destruction of life on earth. Now, let's do that for climate change, before it's too late.

["The latest WMO/UN Environment Programme Scientific Assessment of Ozone Depletion, issued in 2018, concluded that the ozone layer on the path of recovery and to potential return of the ozone values over Antarctica to pre-1980 levels by 2060."]
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By phart [Ignore] 03,Jun,21 14:41 other posts 
Research the earlier names of climate change,such as the global cooling theory of the 60's and 70's.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Jun,21 15:00 other posts 
Global cooling was not a 'theory'.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

It's the job of scientists to research everything that is considered important enough by enough people. Researching a subject says nothing about the validity of the proposed hypothesis. In fact, many hypotheses are researched to disprove them.

There was never any consensus about global cooling HYPOTHESIS.
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By phart [Ignore] 03,Jun,21 20:33 other posts 
Climate change is something that is happening naturally,so there will always be some evidence to support it.
Rather we humans all fart ourselves to death over night and the earth is barren of live humans in 48 hours.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jun,21 08:03 other posts 
You have seen this chart before.
Can you explain how that's happening naturally?

If I use the same level of argumentation you are using, I could say "There is no immigration crisis, because people have been migrating over the earth over the whole of human history." I suspect you would like some deeper arguments then,
don't you?

So, "Climate change is something that is happening naturally" is also shallow drivel.

By Lvphose [Ignore] 14,Mar,21 04:01 other posts 
When my local weather people can’t say where the line of delineation between rain & snow 48 hrs out no way in hell anybody can tell me they know centuries from now what the conditions will be. Secondly they say the science is settled I call BS! Science is never settled!
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 15,Apr,21 14:37 other posts 
The line between rain and snow is too fluid to make definite predictions but, they can tell you rain and snow is coming.
So, what if you're wrong?

If you think the earth is flat, most people think you are crazy, but it doesn't do much harm.
If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution is bullshit, that mostly isn't that harmful either.

However, if you're wrong and all the scientists are right about climate change, that means you're not part of the progress humanity needs to prevent the biggest crisis in the history of humanity, mass extinction, probably the end of humanity and maybe even the end of all life on earth. What is your reason for taking that chance?
By Lvphose [Ignore] 16,Apr,21 05:57 other posts 
All the scientist do not come to the same conclusion! Look to Covid for the most recent issue that scientist do not all come to the same conclusion! Differences in treatments, differences in public policy, to lockdown or not to lock down!
It’s funny nobody cares about the alligator crisis!

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Apr,21 10:13 other posts 
With regards to Covid, all scientists do come to the same conclusion; that it exists (just like climate change). There might be some difference in the details, but the research on Covid has just started. The science on climate change has been going on for the last 60 years at least.

Lockdown or not is not a scientific issue it's a political one. All virologists agree that human contact increases the risk of spreading the virus, just as all climate scientists agree that the average global temperature rises, when the CO2 concentration rises, from deforestation and the use of fossil fuels.

Nobody cares about the alligator crisis, because obviously the data on which it's based is incorrect. It states that last year Americans had their feet bitten by alligators 3,618,524 times. And then they don't even know if the number refers to the number of feet or people. Very funny, but you are a blithering idiot if you think that is science.
By Lvphose [Ignore] 16,Apr,21 06:12 other posts 
The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions, that is all with no Paris (shakedown agreement). Why are some nations allowed to go full throttle on emissions but others are targeted for reduction! Simple, follow the money! When governments do not produce anything that has consumer value to market, I-phone, Amazon etc etc they need to do an income grab! Obama care grabbed a particular percentage of the citizenry’s income, climate change is another heavily promoted from “centralized government “ can you say politburo! America has been moving the ball without the “control” sought by the pols & mantras for the issue.

A religion does not require a deity to be a religion! Climate change is a religion! What happens if you go against the climate change religion? Well they seek to excommunicate you! Just as the deity religions do!

I think everyone should listen to “another crisis” it is only approx. 3 min 30 sec.

Another crisis by Thomas Sowell
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Apr,21 10:16 other posts 
"The United States has been kicking ass in the world wide attempt to reduce emissions"
Really? Well, that would shut me up, if it was true.
Do you have some reliable data on that?
By phart [Ignore] 16,Apr,21 11:26 other posts 
Reducing emissions to a point of being safe for the environment would put the humans back into the stone age.
Manufactoring,and creating alternative energy has side effects just as burning gasoline.
Check the dirt around the galanized racks that solar panels are mounted on in the solar farms popping up everywhere.There is 1 just accross the river from me,100 acres. the soil is contaminated and can not grow food for over 25 years after the racks are removed.Also,ground water for our wells is affected.
You are trading 1 problem for 2 others.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 18,Apr,21 13:12 other posts 
You think the pollution from galvanized solar penal racks (which is just a layer of zinc) compares only in the slightest with the pollution from oil and coal extraction?

As we speak, beaches are covered in oil so bad that it takes years to recover. Fracking has already poisoned drinking water in North Dakota. Enormous areas of land are destroyed in Canada for tar sands. The mining of Lignite (brown coal) in Germany has has left deep scars on the landscape on an area of over 600 km2.

And you are worried about galvanized solar penal racks?
It is not even necessary to use zinc for that. There are biodegradable coatings or you can use aluminum frames. You don't even need frames, if you put solar panels on rooftops.

My god, what a ridiculous argument against renewable energy.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Apr,21 14:55 other posts 
How ridicules' to deny the issue.
I wasn't using that 1 argument to shut down the whole solar show,just demonstrating the problems being created.
Even if your remark 'Reducing emissions to a point of being safe for the environment would put the humans back into the stone age' would be true (which it's not), would living in the stone age not be better, than living in hell?
You didn't answer my question.
What if you're wrong and we are actually living in the last 10 years in which humanity can still prevent climate change at a level that will be catastrophically bad?
By phart [Ignore] 03,Jun,21 20:39 other posts 
The dinosaurs didn't have a choice did they?
The time will come when humans time on earth is over .We can either enjoy our time here or die suffering in all ways imaginable. Economically, socially, politicly and etc. Climate changers are kinda like a damn Home owners association. They want to impose rules on people to reduce freedom of choice and lifestyle.
In short, the climate changers are after 1 of our rights,the right to persue happiness.

By licksipsuckit [Ignore] 22,Apr,21 17:20 other posts 
go America, telling aussies to reduce carbon emissions??? wow, coming from such a dirty highly polluted country, skinny old biden should be flexing his scrawny little fist at china, the filthiest country of them all, right next to india, another major polluter, but instead, they shake their skeletal fist at us??? 25 million people, one of the smallest nations, that the world has bullied for years to shake our minerals and resources out of us for the minimal prices, gee we've had china dictating to us for years, what they'll pay for all our stuff, from meat, wine, fresh foods .. and about time these world leaders used all this tech to hold their meetings instead of flying their fat arses all over the world for these junkets that do nothing, but give more privileged people time to bullshit to each other.. Ive not seen much action from them, no one puts verbs in their sentences. *lix*
By phart [Ignore] 22,Apr,21 21:07 other posts 
Well,Trust me,it is just the democrats trying to tell you folks how to live.Not most Americans with any common sense.
Unless China and other countrys decide they want to clean up their air,we could go back to horse and buggy and their emissions would travel the Jet Stream and pollute our air.
THe japaneese nuclear plant that was damaged in that bad earth quake,it's radiation can be detected in our crops growing in feilds in the midwest.
By licksipsuckit [Ignore] 22,Apr,21 21:54 other posts 
yes, all the nuclear plants that have 'broken' have left a big mark on the worlds radiation levels. they haven't started to clean up these messes, theyre still trying to work out how to contain them from doing more damage.
I doesn't make any sense to me to keep this farce up, when we have farmers here driving around in battery operated cars, made from old wrecks with a bank of batteries, yet the 'leaders' of the world are dragging their knuckles on the ground, not really wanting to make cheaper more reliable means of fuels for transport with less of a footprint. we have the technology, they just don't like implementing anything that might be pinned back on them later if it fails.. the world has bought a big bag of cotton wool and wrapped itself in it... we need the 'buy a bag of concrete, and harden the fuck up' back.
I heard a saying the other day, something like, 'the stone age didn't finish because we ran out of stones, just like the "oil age" wont finish because we run out oil. we'll just find something better to take its place.' ??? *Lix*
"it is just the democrats trying to tell you folks how to live"
Unless if you are transgender or you got pregnant by mistake
and you don't want to deliver.

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