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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by #485312 [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By phart [Ignore] 04,Jun,26 19:49 other posts 
This is 1 of those, "no shit sherlock" articles.
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Now if they would study volcano's impact it would show similar results,maybe not as great.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Jun,26 06:37 other posts 
Of course wildfires are adding to smog and unhealthy air.
Do you know what study you need to know that? Seeing the smoke.

And wildfires are indeed ALSO increasing the global CO₂ emissions
AND reducing natures capacity to ABSORB CO₂.

"Now if they would study volcano's impact..."
WHAT "IF"? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!
That you can still say something THIS IGNORANT, after so much discussion on this topic, that really baffles me.
Scientists are studying the effect of volcanoes DILIGENTLY.
A detailed atmospheric study of the 2021 Fagradalsfjall eruption found that fine particles and sulfur dioxide, SO₂, increased significantly even 300 km away from the volcano.
They did not create global smog.

Smog is mostly related to the burning of fossil fuels. Don't you remember the news during Covid lockdowns? Cities like Delhi, Los Angeles, and Beijing reported clear skies for the first time in decades. This happened because traffic and industrial activity collapsed, not because of changes in natural emissions.

Volcanoes are about 1% of the global CO₂ emissions, see below.

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Now what is causing all those wildfires?
How about forests turning to a extremely dry tinderbox regularly?
Wildfires are indeed adding to the global CO₂ emissions. The frequency of wildfires is increasing, BECAUSE of climate change. Over the past two to three decades, CO₂ emissions from forest wildfires have surged dramatically. Global CO₂ emissions from forest fires have increased by 60% since 2001. Emissions from vast northern boreal forests (spanning Eurasia and North America) nearly tripled between 2001 and 2023, largely due to increasingly hot and dry conditions.

Based on the most recent global wildfire CO₂ datasets, the year with the largest global CO₂ emissions from wildfires in the satellite era (2003–2025) is 2003, with global emissions peaking at roughly 4.6 billion tonnes of CO₂. Human activity emitted about 27.64 billion tonnes of CO₂ in 2003 from fossil‑fuel combustion and industrial processes.
From 2003–2025, global wildfire CO₂ emissions averaged about 2.1–2.3 billion tonnes CO₂ per year, while human activity averaged about 34–36 billion tonnes CO₂ per year. Wildfires therefore contributed roughly 6–7% of annual anthropogenic emissions over this period.

The International Association of Volcanology and Chemistry of the Earth's Interior (IAVCEI) is the primary global professional association for volcanologists. Under its umbrella operates WOVO (The World Organization of Volcano Observatories). WOVO links together all the localized volcano observatories on Earth (like the USGS, Italy's INGV, or Indonesia's PVMBG). They manage WOVOdat, a massive global database that compiles tracking data—such as seismic activity, gas emissions, and ground deformation from active volcanoes to help scientists spot patterns and forecast future eruptions.
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When looking at the graph, you will notice a massive spike in the number of recorded eruptions as you approach the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries. Volcanologists emphasize that this spike does NOT mean the Earth is experiencing more volcanic activity. Instead, it represents our dramatic improvement in OBSERVATION technology, including global satellite tracking, seismology networks, and global communication, which allows us to document smaller, remote eruptions that would have gone completely unnoticed in ancient history.

Volcanoes impact the climate by spewing sulfur dioxide into the upper atmosphere, which combines with water to form sulfate aerosols that reflect sunlight back into space. This causes short-term global COOLING (e.g., eruptions like Mount Pinatubo dropped global temperatures for a year or two). Volcanic eruptions spew out lava, carbon dioxide ( CO₂ ) ash and particles. The average volcanic CO₂ emissions are less than 1% of emissions from current human activities.

I have shown you the IPCC Assessment Reports before. It deals with volcano activity in multiple sections.
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They present their 'studies' of ALL the possible natural causes and ALL the possible human activity related with climate changes, as far back as there is evidence related to all of those causes. Of course, they don't have to assess the impact of human activity from periods that humans were basically living like animals. Human activity only became a factor at the earliest around 8000 years ago, when human populations started to clear forests for primitive agriculture. However, back then, the global human population was roughly 5–20 million people, we are now with about 8.30 billion people, and we have Energy production, Industry, Agriculture, Transportation and Land‑use change, which accumulate to about 90% of the global human emissions of greenhouse gasses. And that global effect of humans DWARFS ALL the natural effects on the climate. Only the sun and the orbit of Earth around the sun can have larger effects, but scientists can very accurately measure this, and they know 100% sure that this is NOT causing the current climate change.

Basically, the global average temperature of Earth is governed by a simple energy-balance equation: energy absorbed from the Sun vs. energy emitted back to space.
The energy that is produced by the sun is pretty damn stable in general. It is only changing over many millions to billions of years. Besides that, it has a cycle, which is has been studied for a very long time. It also has slight variations and outbursts, which are also studied and recorded in high accuracy. Then we have the orbit of Earth around the sun. Earth’s orbit has caused major climate changes in the past, including the pacing of the Ice Ages, through what scientists call Milankovitch cycles. These factors are one of the best‑measured and most accurately predictable components of the climate system. Scientists can both reconstruct them FAR into the past and predict them FAR into the future, with extraordinary precision because they are governed by celestial mechanics, the same physics that lets us predict eclipses centuries ahead. The last time that the orbit was significantly changed was 4.5 Billion years ago, when a Mars-sized protoplanet, commonly called Theia, collided with the young Earth, resulting in the formation of the Moon.

How much of the energy of the Sun, that has reached Earth, is absorbed by Earth vs emitted back into space is completely dependent on JUST TWO things:
1) Planetary albedo (how much sunlight is reflected)
2) Greenhouse effect (how difficult it is for infrared radiation to escape)

1) Earth's albedo is dependent on:
-1 Clouds (largest)
-2 Snow and ice
-3 Atmospheric aerosols
-4 Deserts and bright land surfaces
-5 Ocean reflection
-6 Vegetation
These are all factors that scientist have accurately measured. Human activity influences all major contributors to Earth’s albedo:
-1 Aerosol pollution can change cloud brightness, lifetime, and coverage.
-2 Human-driven warming reduces snow cover and melts glaciers and sea ice
-3 Human activity can affect ocean reflectivity indirectly through changes in sea ice, biological productivity, and surface conditions
-4 Industry, transportation, agriculture, biomass burning and deforestation by fire emit particles that can reflect sunlight directly and modify clouds indirectly.
-5 Deforestation, urbanization, agriculture, and desertification change surface reflectivity
-6 Deforestation, afforestation, agriculture, urbanization

2) The Greenhouse effect is dependent on:
-1 Water Vapor (H₂O)
-2 Carbon Dioxide (CO₂ )
-3 Methane (CH4)
-4 Nitrous Oxide (N₂O)
-5 Ozone (O3)
-6 Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)

There are well studied natural effects for all these factors, although several of them are affected by human activity:
-1 Water Vapor (H2O)
• Ocean evaporation
• Plant transpiration
• Volcanic eruptions
-2 Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
• Respiration by plants and animals
• Decay of organic matter
• Volcanic eruptions
• Ocean-atmosphere exchange
• Wildfires
-3 Methane (CH4)
• Wetlands and swamps (microbial decomposition)
• Termites and wild ruminants
• Wildfires
• Permafrost thaw and methane hydrates
-4 Nitrous Oxide (N2O)
• Microbial activity in natural soils
• Ocean nitrogen cycles
• Wildfires
-5 Ozone (O3)
• Chemical reactions of sunlight with natural volatile organic compounds (from plants/trees)
• Chemical reactions of sunlight with natural nitrogen oxides (from lightning/soils)
• Stratospheric air downwelling
-6 Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
• No significant natural effects

AND there are also well studied HUMAN ACTIVITY effects for ALL these factors, although several of them have interactions with natural processes:
-1 Water Vapor (H2O)
• Anthropogenic climate warming (the positive feedback loop: human greenhouse emissions warm the air, causing more ocean evaporation)
• Large-scale crop irrigation
• Fossil fuel combustion (minor direct byproduct)
-2 Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
• Combustion of fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas for energy, heat, and transport)
• Deforestation and land-use changes (clearing forests for timber or urban development)
• Industrial processes (primarily cement manufacturing and chemical production)
• Agricultural and biomass burning
-3 Methane (CH4)
• Livestock farming (enteric fermentation from ruminants like cattle and sheep)
• Fossil fuel operations (leaks from natural gas extraction, coal mining, and oil refining)
• Rice cultivation (flooded paddies creating oxygen-depleted soil conditions)
• Municipal solid waste landfills and wastewater treatment
-4 Nitrous Oxide (N2O)
• Agricultural soil management (overapplication of synthetic nitrogen fertilizers and animal manure)
• Chemical industry manufacturing (production of nitric and adipic acids for fertilizers and nylon)
• Commercial, industrial, and vehicular fuel combustion
• Domestic wastewater treatment
-5 Ozone (O3)
• Photochemical smog reactions (sunlight interacting with human-emitted pollutants like nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds from vehicles, power plants, and industrial solvents)
-6 Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
• Refrigeration and air conditioning systems (coolant leaks and disposal)
• Industrial aerosol propellants
• Foam blowing agents used in insulation manufacturing
• Specialized electronic and industrial solvent cleaning systems

ALL of these effects have been studied by an army of scientists, in public service and in the private sector, all over the world, for decades.
The reality of human-caused climate change is backed by one of the most rigorously tested and cross-verified consensus positions in modern scientific history, built by thousands of experts across 195 countries who have reviewed tens of thousands of peer-reviewed studies. Rather than relying on a single theory, this conclusion is proven by independent lines of evidence that completely converge. From ice cores archiving 800,000 years of ancient air, to modern networks of satellites, ocean buoys, and ground thermometers that all paint the exact same warming picture. Scientists have even tracked this down to the atomic level, showing that the specific carbon isotopes clogging our air match fossil fuels perfectly, while satellites measure a direct drop in escaping heat at the exact wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Because even decades-old internal research from private oil companies independently arrived at these same results, the reality we observe today is not a matter of debate, but a directly measured fact verified across the fields of physics, chemistry, and geology.
And what is your horribly corrupt and stupid president doing?
- First he cancelled Offshore wind project, costing the tax-payer roughly $2 billion in total and robbing them of cheap electricity.
- Then he is investing about $700 million of your tax-dollars in coal, which is a bad investment (even ignoring climate damage).

1) Coal is more expensive than alternatives, because coal plants have high fuel, labor,
and operating costs, while wind, solar, and natural gas are now cheaper to build and run
in nearly every U.S. region.

2) Coal plants are aging and require costly upgrades, because most were built 40–60 years ago and need expensive maintenance, retrofits, and pollution‑control equipment,
just to stay operational.

3) Private investors have abandoned coal, because the sector has high bankruptcy rates, shrinking demand, and poor long‑term profitability, making coal a classic “stranded asset” risk.

4) Coal cannot compete with natural gas, because gas plants are cheaper to build,
more efficient, and far more flexible for modern grid needs.

5) Coal plants are slow and inflexible, because they are designed for steady baseload operation and cannot ramp up or down quickly, which makes them poorly suited for
today’s variable electricity demand.

6) Maintenance and safety costs are high, because coal mining and coal power require heavy machinery, complex safety systems, and expensive waste‑handling infrastructure that remain costly, even when plants run at low capacity.


By phart [Ignore] 21,May,26 15:59 other posts 
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,May,26 17:31 other posts 
There have been several models for a long time, ranging from the best case to the worst case scenario. The warming of the planet is actually following a trend between RCP4.5
and RCP8.5, which is worse than the average of the models and less than the worst.

They call RCP4.5 the “Expensive adaptation world”
And the call RCP8.5 the “Chronic global stress world”

Why many economists think transition to green energy is cheaper than accepting the cost of the damage of a RCP4.5 climate.

RCP8.5 doesn't mean “everyone dies”, but a world where human civilization still exists,
yet operates under chronic environmental stress, persistent instability, and much lower resilience than today.

would likely look something like this:
- deadly heatwaves becoming routine across large regions,
- chronic coastal flooding and gradual retreat from some shorelines,
- repeated food and water crises in vulnerable countries,
- massive biodiversity loss and ecosystem collapse,
- rainforest dieback,
- migration pressures involving tens or hundreds of millions of people,
- rising insurance and infrastructure failures,
- worsening inequality between adaptable wealthy regions and vulnerable poorer ones,
- increasing political instability driven by resource stress and repeated disasters.
- rising insurance and infrastructure failures,
- worsening inequality between adaptable wealthy regions and vulnerable poorer ones,
- increasing political instability driven by resource stress and repeated disasters.

That's very fucking bad.
Understand that if we don't do anything it will be WORSE THAN RCP8.5.
Also, warming doesn't stop in 2100. Chain reactions will keep making it worse.
It will probably not be complete extinction, but it will mean that the US will become too hot for human survival.

Places like:
- Canada,
- Northern Russia,
- Scandinavia,
- And southern parts of South America
Would likely remain physically livable even in extreme warming worlds.
There would be not enough living space for the 8 billion people we have now.
If the kid in the photo lives anywhere near the equator, he will be a refugee in his lifetime,
if he's not killed in the chaos that will be caused by the climate crisis, before his area becomes unfit for human survival for most of the year.

Our friends were visiting family in Pakistan for 3 weeks, a few years back. It was during a hot period that lasted several months. They were inside most of that time and only went out when they went to other people or late at night. During the day, outside was mostly deserted. It's now almost standard for long periods each year. They are about 2000 miles from the equator. In the gulf states, people live indoors for most of the summer.
People are already leaving those areas in big numbers, but wait a few decades and see
a mass exodus from parts of South Asia, the Persian Gulf, coastal West Africa, and Southeast Asia. The economy of those countries cannot sustain that. The rest of the world will be forced to either accept that refugee tidal wave, send them lots of money to survive,
or let them suffer and die, because of a problem that the West created.

Understand that RCP4.5 and RCP8.5 are NOT scenarios that are based on uncertainty in the prediction of the climate, but uncertainty in the prediction of how much the world ACTS to reduce climate change. If we do more, we will achieve the RCP4.5 scenario or better,
and if we do less we will get the RCP8.5 scenario or worse. If we had done nothing, we would be in the SSP5-8.5 scenario right now, which would likely result in substantial and growing destabilization by 2050.

By 2075, large parts of the world are facing chronic heat, water stress, migration crises, repeated food and infrastructure shocks, while many coastal cities are forced to build massive seawalls, elevate infrastructure, or abandon flood-prone neighborhoods due to persistent sea-level rise and coastal flooding.
By 2100, people will face a much harsher planet where many regions are difficult to live in without massive technological support, hundreds of millions of people are affected by rising seas, many coastlines are redrawn by erosion and flooding, major cities spend vast resources defending themselves from the ocean, and some low-lying communities and islands are permanently lost or relocated.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 23,May,26 13:35 other posts 
Similar to Covid and the Clown.
By phart [Ignore] 23,May,26 14:57 other posts 
Yea, the virus and biden were both over blown, fraudulent and etc. bidens democrats capitalized on a virus that was created in china and spread all over the world. we now have more expensive health care and alot of friends and family missing at the table on Christmas day
By CAT52! [Ignore] 23,May,26 15:07 other posts 
Right. It was Biden and the Democrats fault. We should have supported the Clown and provided readymade bleach shots early.
By phart [Ignore] 23,May,26 17:03 other posts 
His point went right over your head didn't it? He was trying to encourage the American people to think outside the box for a solution and bleach just happened to be a word he could come up with. you have to remember he lives a life of comfort and probably never has held a bottle of bleach or anything else in his life.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,May,26 07:37 other posts 
When there is a health crisis, you don't encourage ignorant people (because that's
the only people who listen to that kind of nonsense) to "think outside the box",
you encourage them to listen to specialists. Trump doesn't just live a life of comfort,
he also lived a life of being shielded from consequences and having to solve problems, because he always let his lawyers solve the problems he created.
That's why you don't pick a stupid, narcissist nepo baby for president.
By phart [Ignore] 27,May,26 08:32 other posts 
oh ok, so we are supposed to blindly trust specialist?
you put no faith in God, but put faith and trust in a specialist who's income source decides what they write up as fact?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 27,May,26 10:00 other posts 
It’s not “specialist”, single. It’s specialists, plural. Getting second opinions is spot on, but, at some time a smart person has to understand that it is what it is.
Their income source may well be from what they are pushing, but, what’s so wrong about pushing the right stuff and making money at the same time?
You make daily choices about what you think a product is the right product for you to use. Isn’t the manufacturer or provider doing the same thing?
I, personally, would never trust the advice of ANY President without extensive backup from the experts, and I don’t mean from a bunch of MAGAs telling me that vaccines will cause the growth of a second head. Or from a bunch of religious nuts telling me medical solutions are not what God wants, and that only God will cure a medical problem.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,May,26 11:21 other posts 
Maybe that's why religious nuts also breed like rabbits;
they have to, otherwise they would die out very quickly.
No, but it's a better bet than blindly trusting Trump.

I don't put faith ANYWHERE. The nice thing about specialists is that they provide arguments based on facts, evidence and logical reasoning, that I can CHECK.

I don't have to believe them, I am smart enough to check their facts, evidence and logical reasoning, to make up my own damn mind. It's the ignorant people who have the problem of who to trust. They either pick between a huge number of educated people who's goal is to understand reality, or the fail-son of a billionaire, who could not increase his wealth doing honest business so he turned conman and cult-leader, who lost track himself of when he's lying or trying to speak the truth, can be lied to just as easily as he lies himself, and doesn't have the patience to learn anything.

Scientists are defined by one thing: a relentless commitment to getting reality right. Their whole job is to challenge each other, break bad ideas, and let only the strongest evidence survive. You don’t trust them because they’re ‘smart’, you trust them because they’re disciplined. Their work has to withstand constant scrutiny, replication, and criticism. That’s why 'Scientific Theories' matter; they’re the last ideas standing, after everything else has been torn apart.

A 'specialist' is someone who has spent years mastering one specific slice of reality; climate, virology, geology, astrophysics, etc. Their credibility comes from depth: thousands of hours learning the methods, the data, the failures, and the limits
of that field.

That’s why you listen to the specialist who actually studies the topic you’re dealing with. Expertise doesn’t transfer like a coupon. A physicist doesn’t automatically understand virology, and a surgeon isn’t qualified to debunk atmospheric chemistry.

Scientists aren’t interchangeable. When media platforms parade a 'specialist' from one field to talk confidently about a completely different field, they’re not giving you ‘expert insight’, they’re giving you the illusion of authority. Real expertise is narrow, disciplined, and earned. If you want the truth, you go to the people who’ve dedicated their lives to answering that exact question.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,May,26 07:49 other posts 
"Widespread Record US Drought Threatens Rural Livelihoods and Food Affordability"
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That sounds expensive. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to cancel planned offshore wind projects in exchange for government payments, bringing the total federal cost close to
~$2 billion in taxpayer funds, to favor fossil fuel companies, making the electricity of Americans more expensive, while the climate crisis is just starting.
By phart [Ignore] 27,May,26 08:30 other posts 
El Niño is expected to return in mid-to-late 2026, with forecasters indicating an 82% chance of emergence between May and July, and a 96% chance it will dominate the winter of 2026–2027. Some models suggest it could develop into a strong or "super" El Niño event.

El Niño is caused by a breakdown in normal Pacific Ocean wind and current patterns. Normally, strong trade winds blow east-to-west, pushing warm water toward Asia and allowing cold water to rise (upwelling) in the east. During El Niño, these trade winds weaken or reverse, causing warm water to slosh back toward the Americas

El Niño and La Niña affect the global climate and disrupt normal weather patterns, which as a result can lead to intense storms in some places and droughts in others.


This a natural thing that might get it's nose tickled by "climate change" but is not caused by it and can't be taxed away by politicians.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,May,26 10:22 other posts 
El Niño has existed for at least 21,000 years, but horrible droughts, like you are seeing more often in the South and middle of the US, have not. Those regions are some of your country’s most important agricultural zones. They became agricultural powerhouses, because they were reliably wet enough, cool enough, and stable enough to grow food
at a massive scale. If droughts like the ones you’re seeing now had been normal, those regions never would’ve fed the nation in the first place.

As climate change accelerates, those same regions are losing the very conditions that made them productive. You don’t get to keep the crops while the climate that supports them disappears. If the warming continues, these won’t be America’s agricultural heartlands anymore, they’ll be cautionary tales about what happens when you bet
your food security against physics.

This is indeed very likely caused by El Niño and they are expecting a super El Niño this year, causing severe global disruptions, with the worst impacts concentrated in Southeast Asia, North and South America, and parts of Africa. Research shows that extreme El Niño events intensify atmospheric disturbances that propagate far beyond the Pacific, producing persistent droughts, floods, and heatwaves across these regions. The west coasts of North and South America, especially California and the Andean nations, are likely to experience extreme rainfall and flooding. Globally, a super El Niño also raises the likelihood of record‑breaking heat, because the event adds a powerful warming spike on top of human‑driven climate change, pushing temperatures toward unprecedented highs and amplifying heat‑related disasters.

A super El Niño becomes more likely in a warmer world because human‑driven climate change is altering the background conditions of the Pacific Ocean atmosphere system. The key mechanism is that a hotter planet loads the climate system with more heat, making it easier for El Niño events to reach extreme intensity and harder for the system to return to neutral conditions. At the same time, El Niño impacts become more destructive, because they occur on top of an already warmer, more energetic climate.

Why climate change makes super El Niño events more likely:

- Amplified ENSO variability — High‑resolution climate models project that greenhouse warming strengthens air–sea coupling in the tropical Pacific, increasing the amplitude of El Niño and La Niña swings. This can push the system toward more extreme oscillations.

- More frequent extreme El Niño precursors — Under greenhouse warming, the atmospheric patterns that trigger extreme El Niño events become more common,
raising the probability of “super” events.

- Record‑warm oceans — Global sea‑surface temperatures outside the Pacific have been persistently and unusually high, creating a warmer baseline that enhances El Niño’s warming effect.

- Potential climate tipping behavior — Some models suggest the tropical Pacific could shift from irregular ENSO cycles to stronger, more regular oscillations as warming continues, making extreme events more common.


By phart [Ignore] 10,May,26 18:04 other posts 
WOW< So I am not alone in this big universe after all!
Been saying these same things over the past years.
Now it comes from someone else i have never heard of
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,May,26 12:14 other posts 
Bullshit, the Earth is warming at a faster rate than ever before.

David Marcus is a political/opinion writer, not a climate scientist.
His work is generally aligned with conservative and anti-progressive commentary.
Fox News opinion content has frequently been criticized by media watchdogs and climate researchers for spreading misleading or dismissive narratives about climate science.
The overwhelming scientific consensus is that human-caused climate change is real and supported by decades of evidence from organizations such as NASA, NOAA, the IPCC, and major national science academies worldwide.

So in short: David Marcus is a conservative columnist and commentator, not a climate expert, and the article you saw is an opinion piece rather than a factual scientific analysis.
He is not even a serious journalist; he's a narrative humper, not a serious arguer.

The MSN link you shared is syndicating one of his opinion columns. The headline
(“the end of the climate change hoax”) reflects his personal political viewpoint,
not a scientific consensus or a New York Times editorial position.

This article has the same value as you saying it. It contains zero arguments that could even start to refute the scientific evidence that is supporting climate change.
There are even less arguments in this article than you have provided. Why post it?
The fact that this is the type of people who are on your side, should tell you something.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 10,Feb,26 10:33 other posts 
The biggest fraud ever perpetrated in America:
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 10,Feb,26 20:23 other posts 
Corporate America is as crooked as it gets.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Feb,26 22:35 other posts 
Well, tell yawl what, yawl just walk everywhere you go and do your part to decrease your carbon footprint. The rest of the human race is going to try to enjoy the technical advances we have made to make our lives more comfortable.
Besides, with north korea and Putin having nukes handy, what is a wiff of smoke from a car or lawnmower?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 11,Feb,26 05:38 other posts 
Whatever you are saying does not in any way refute the fraud and horrible corruption.

It would have been perfectly acceptable to say "Yes, our use of fossil fuels is a danger
to humanity and all life on our planet, but we cannot just change that TODAY. Let's make plans to transition away from technology that emits all these greenhouse gasses,
in a responsible pace, and decide how to share the costs for that fairly."
They didn't do that, they tried to hide the truth and spend billions to lie about it.
And they BRIBED politicians to join in with the lying.
In a sane world, everyone involved would be in prison.

That comfort is declining for many people in the world already.
More and more people will need AC in their homes, not just to be comfortable,
but because the heat is rapidly turning into a health risk. That will result in even
more CO2 emissions, because AC uses a fuck ton of electricity.

Nukes will be a risk, until humanity becomes more responsible.

Risk = Likelihood x Impact

The 'Impact' of nuclear war is of course devastating.
How do we lower the 'Risk' of nuclear war? By lowering the 'Likelihood'.
We can also lower the 'Impact', by making countries reduce their number of nukes.
In any case, that 'Risk' is only reduced by governments talking with each other,
and the rest of civilization picking leaders who are NOT stupid enough to use nukes.
How about you think of THAT, the next time you vote?

Climate change is a whole different 'Risk', because the 'Likelihood' is 100%. It's a physical result of humanity emitting more greenhouse gasses than nature can absorb, while humanity is simultaneously damaging the capacity of nature to absorb these greenhouse gasses. There are only 3 options to prevent this physics from occurring:
1) Lower our emissions of greenhouse gasses to let nature keep up.
2) Enhancing nature to make it capable of absorbing all of our greenhouse gasses.
3) Start using technology to capture enough of our greenhouse gasses.

Unless we do 1, 2 or 3, or a combination of them, the 'Impact' will be exactly
directly proportional, with how much humanity as a whole fails to do what is necessary to prevent it.

It's like I'm talking to people who are denying that they will have to pay more interest,
if they keep adding debt to their credit card. Sure, the risk that you're going bankrupt isn't 100% proportional, but that increasing interest that you are paying is just a direct result of you adding debt.

Every ton of CO2 that humanity is emitting, above the capacity of nature to absorb it, results in a higher global average CO2 concentration. That MUST contribute to global warming. There’s no dice roll there, it's JUST PHYSICS.
Disasters like droughts, hurricanes and extreme rainfall are expressions of the warming, not the warming itself. Do you understand that?
If you are denying this, then you are denying the same logic as that you are paying
more interest, when you add debt to your credit card.

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Example scenario: Tesla invents a fantastic flying car, that takes you anywhere you want to go autonomously, without ever crashing. There is one catch though; it's engines are highly radioactive. (Accept that it cannot be prevented, like the credit card debt interest scenario). Every time you use it, your DNA gets damaged by the radiation, like you are getting an X-ray every 10 seconds. This will inevitably give you cancer, but you don't know when or how badly. How long will you keep using that fantastic flying car, that makes your life so much more comfortable?
Question: Why does BIG OIL need to bribe your politicians,
if it was just common sense for you politicians to keep supporting
fossil fuels over renewable energy?
By phart [Ignore] 16,Feb,26 07:43 other posts 
All the big industry's "bribe" the politicians. job security.Do I like it? No, can I stop it? no.
as long as people have to run for office,there is cost,and when big oil, or big pharma is willing to chip in, of course the folks running for office need the money to run.
Last time I researched it, it cost 1 million dollars just to begin the process to run for President,then alot more just to get your name on the ballot in all 50 states.
I guess you think that money should come from a tree? or the person themselves? Then it would only be the elite that could run for office at all. which would be worse would it not?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Feb,26 12:45 other posts 
If you keep voting for Republicans, you can indeed not stop it,
the only ones who want to ban that corruption are leftists.

The biggest donors to your politicians are banking and finance, because they want lax laws that let them defraud the American people. What did Trump do? He took aggressive steps to severely restrict, defund, and dismantle the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). The payday loan and credit card industry thanks him. Big Oil was the second largest donor. We all know how they got rewarded by Trump. However, that second spot has now been captured by the crypto currency markets. Trump has thanked them by deregulating them. He is now also using their services to take more untraceable bribes. That's known from multiple internal communications and whistleblowers. This really is the most corrupt regime that the US ever had.
When this regime crumbles, the Democrats will need to restore Law and Order, and appoint people to go after all those corrupt people. Trump will probably be dead by then. Unfortunately, I think he will get away with his crimes. It's a shame that there is no hell to punish him.

OMG, that is such a dumb idea. In my country, we have no superPACs and we also don't have just wealthy people running for office. Political parties get money from the government, to represent the people. Politicians should not get money from the wealthy, because then they will represent them. They also should not fund their own campaigns, because that means they are doing it for themselves, and not for YOU.

Trump filled your whole government with corrupt elites.
And he has his cronies protect that Epstein class of people.
Your side is full of suckers, who thought it was the Democrats.
Every single one of Trump's friends are all over the files.

By phart [Ignore] 16,Feb,26 13:18 other posts 
if you don't spend money,how the hell do you run for office? just air time on tv cost money. signs cost money, venues for speeches cost money and etc.there has to be money from somewhere to cover the cost.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Feb,26 02:37 other posts 
I just told you; political parties get money from the government.
Political parties can also have members, who pay contribution.
And donations are OK, up to a certain amount that almost everyone could afford.
Then those politicians still have a reason to represent their constituents.

The problem is allowing unlimited amounts without transparency.
Then you have NO IDEA who that politician is working for.

How about the media having a responsibility to give those politicians a platform to present their principles and plans to the public. Why would politicians have to pay for every minute of air-time? It's the responsibly of the media to inform the public.

You really are making me feel like I have to explain democracy, to someone
who has never lived in a democracy. Why do you think that is?


By tecsan [Ignore] 06,Feb,26 01:08 other posts 
Hmm...What do I believe about global warming? Let's see, global cooling = BS, climate change = BS, so I guess I believe global warming = BS.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Feb,26 02:48 other posts 
"Climate change" is just the more accurate term for "global warming", because it's possible that some areas in the world become cooler, temporarily, for instance from the global ocean conveyor belt coming to a halt preventing warm water heating up the South Pole, while the rest of the world heats up more, and the global average temperature rises.

You don't have te 'believe' anything. It is measured by every weather service in the world, and confirmed by every scientific entity tasked to double check the claims. It's a fact.
It takes tremendous effort to disbelieve it. You need to believe in a global conspiracy, between all countries, including ones that would love to debunk and humiliate some of
the other countries. It's literally using the same 'thinking' to believe the Earth is flat.

The term "climate change" also includes secondary effects from the Earth getting warmer;
- More extreme weather (heatwaves, storms, floods, droughts)
- Rising seas from warming oceans and melting ice
- Changes to oceans (warming, acidification, current shifts)
- Disrupted ecosystems and species loss (e.g. coral)
- Impacts on food, water, and human health
- Feedback loops that can amplify warming (e.g. wildfires)
By phart [Ignore] 06,Feb,26 21:00 other posts 
It was "Inadvertent climate modification" first, then global cooling as we have discussed previously. When that ship sailed, it became global warming. that ship sailed and it became climate change. a generic term that can be pinned on either direction of change.
Before the end of time ALOT of people are going to wake up and find it to be for the most part,a farce created to make some people rich. just like Y2K and covid.
Well Grok helped me out.
So there was another phrase before global cooling,

The sequence you mentioned is a common way people describe the evolution of popular terms for human-caused changes to Earth's climate, but it's not entirely accurate historically.

Global cooling was never a dominant or consensus scientific term for impending human-driven climate shifts. It gained some media attention in the 1970s (e.g., a few articles speculating about aerosol pollution or natural cycles leading to cooling or even an "imminent ice age"), but peer-reviewed scientific literature at the time overwhelmingly focused on the risks of greenhouse warming from CO₂ and other gases. The idea of a broad scientific consensus on global cooling in the 1970s is largely a myth, as reviews of the literature show warming concerns dominated even then.
Global warming emerged as a specific term in scientific contexts earlier than often claimed. It appeared sporadically as far back as the late 19th/early 20th century in limited uses, more notably in 1961 and 1969 papers, and prominently in 1975 when geochemist Wallace Broecker titled a Science article "Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?" It became widely popularized in the late 1980s, especially after James Hansen's 1988 congressional testimony.
Climate change (or "climatic change") has long been a broader, more neutral term referring to any shifts in climate patterns, whether natural or human-influenced. It predates the others in general usage and was used alongside "global warming" in many scientific contexts.

Before "global cooling" (which was a short-lived, mostly media-driven phrase in the mid-1970s), there wasn't a single catchy popular phrase equivalent to today's terms for human-induced large-scale climate disruption. Earlier scientific discussions of potential anthropogenic (human-caused) effects used more technical or descriptive language, such as:

"Inadvertent climate modification" — This was the common phrase in studies from the 1960s and early 1970s (and even in the 1979 Charney Report from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences) when referring to human impacts like CO₂ emissions altering the climate.
Greenhouse effect or discussions of CO₂-induced warming — Going back further, Svante Arrhenius in 1896 quantitatively predicted warming from doubled CO₂ levels (though without a snappy overarching term). Earlier still, in the late 19th century and early 20th century, ideas were framed around the greenhouse effect (term coined around 1901) or simply human emissions changing Earth's energy balance/climate.

Before the mid-20th century, when anthropogenic climate change became a serious scientific topic, discussions were mostly about natural climate variability — such as ice ages, glacial/interglacial cycles, or long-term cooling trends over geological time (e.g., the overall Cenozoic cooling trend leading to ice sheets). There was no equivalent popular phrase for human-driven global-scale change because the idea itself was only emerging in the late 19th century.
In summary, the progression wasn't a straight line of renamed doomsday predictions (cooling → warming → change). Instead, scientific understanding built steadily toward human-caused warming as the primary concern, while popular/media terms shifted for various reasons (including efforts to communicate broader impacts like sea level rise, extreme weather, etc., beyond just temperature rise). "Inadvertent climate modification" is the closest predecessor term to "global cooling" in discussions of human influence before the 1970s media focus on cooling possibilities.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 10:05 other posts 
A 2008 review of climate science literature from 1965–1979 found only 7 scientific papers that forecast global cooling, compared with 44 that predicted or supported global warming. So global cooling papers were a small minority of the literature at the time.
The idea that a majority of climate scientists believed in imminent global cooling in the 1970s is a myth amplified by media coverage, not the state of scientific research.

That was over 61-47 years ago. The evidence is clear now; the planet is warming up.
When they decided to use the term 'climate change' instead of 'global warming',
that was NOT because the science showed them anything different. It's an argument from people who understand absolutely nothing about it.

I don't understand why you would want to ignore the worst problem that humanity has ever faced. It's not a threat like nuclear war, that COULD wipe us all out, this is an incredibly destructive result of our own choices, that WILL happen, unless humanity chooses to prevent the worst of it.

Y2K was a clear risk, but it was fixed by IT specialists, to prevent problems.
COVID-19 has been estimated to have killed ~14–15 million people worldwide, so far.
It will keep mutating, coming up with more lethal strains sometimes, and more mild strains other times. It will keep killing people, just like other viruses do. It's also highly contagious. It's now just another option for old and immune deficient people to die from.

One of the most contageous viruses is Measles. There is a safe vaccine, that has been given to children for the last 55 years. Measles was almost eradicated, until anti-vaxxers didn't accept it anymore. Now Measles has been surging wherever immunization coverage is inadequate. The only reason for that is fear and distrust. There is no data that gives you any reason to reject the Measles vaccine, but the media nonsense about the Covid vaccin has created that for all vaccins. That ignorance has been killing many children.

Did you even read what Grok said? It doesn't contradict ANYTHING I ever told you.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 11:17 other posts 
Why is it when I was in school,global cooling is what I was taught, that's what the magazines we were given talked about,which I still have,and the greenhouse effect.Never hear about it anymore either.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 15:55 other posts 
No it wasn't. Global cooling was just a hypothesis.
No school is teaching something that has no scientific consensus.
Unless you were taking meteorology, this was not a subject, period.

The study of the climate at that time was all limited to scientists.
Back then, the propaganda against climate science hadn't even started either.
At best, maybe some teacher mentioned something, but no way was this taught.

Climate science didn't even reach science classes in the US, before 1990.
It wasn't until 2013, before the climate entered classes in general.
It's only in 2020, that some states mandate climate education explicitly in curricula.

There was only one exception, and those were people talking about another ICE AGE. But that is completely different than a man-made effect like climate change.
If you were in school between the 1970s–1980s, yes, that was the time that
'Ice Age theory' exploded. In 1976, a landmark paper showed that climate cycles
in ocean sediments matched Milankovitch orbital cycles almost perfectly.
But that's you not understanding these very long periods.
The onset of an Ice Age takes roughly 5,000–20,000 years.
Climate change has it's effects about a factor of 100x faster.

When Scientists are talking the man-made impact on the climate, due to our emissions of greenhouse gasses and our destruction of forests, they are actually talking about 'Anthropogenic climate change', which by the general public is only known as 'climate change'. They still need to study all the other causes for the changes of the climate; Ice age cycles due to orbital changes, solar activity, volcanic effects and natural CO₂ fluctuations, because without studying those, you will never know which are natural and which are not.

I was taught about Ice Ages in school too. It was just part of history classes. They even covered evolution in primary school, even though it was a Christian school, and the teacher did mention to not believe it himself. He didn't make much of a point of it.
I don't remember him saying the same about the Ice Ages. Apparently, he accepted that, but he rejected evolution. However, I also don't think he accepted the story of Adam and Eve to the letter, and had similar feelings about Noah’s Ark. I have always noticed how teachers were personally attached to what they were teaching, even if they didn't wear it on their sleeve. Some history was clearly taught as FACTS, and other was taught as this is what scientists are thinking. Some bible stories were told proudly and others were told with some hesitation. I do remember that the teacher did some inventory once, asking the kids who believed in evolution and who believed in creation by god. I was already firmly on the side of evolution then. For what I can remember, it was around 50/50, in that Christian school.
By tecsan [Ignore] 08,Feb,26 03:41 other posts 
How long does it take for you global warming/cooling or climate change take to have an effect on me.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 09:43 other posts 
Depends on where you live. Some areas are already experiencing droughts much more often and longer, other areas are suffering floods, big areas were inhaling smoke from wildfires for weeks on end. We ALL experience lost harvests making our food more expensive. We ALL are paying for the damages that climate change is already causing our economies.

It appears that your government chooses to leave people who suffer a hurricane, flood or wildfire to their own fate. That is your own choice, but then you shouldn’t complain when it happens to you personally. You could help your fellow countrymen, by killing yourself, if something like that happens to you, so you won't be a burden to the rest of your country. That's a nice cost reduction for your government, so they can cut some more taxes for the wealthy.

Meanwhile the costs, to prevent worse, will rise every day we are not doing enough.
It already has an effect on you. Choosing to ignore it wont work for long.


By cumonme1 [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 11:47 other posts 
Well after the last couple of weeks here in Virginia, I'm hoping to feel some global warming
My driveway is still covered with ice and snow.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 13:55 other posts 
Well, the snow is finally leaving around here, we got about 10 inches. but it is leaving behind a MUDDY MESS. suits me fine if it don't snow for another 40 years. I have had enough!
You'll think differently when some horrible flood hits you.

Virginia’s coastal areas, particularly the Hampton Roads region, are experiencing
some of the highest relative sea level rise in the contiguous United States due to both rising oceans and land sinking (subsidence). Flood risks are so significant that coastal planning and resilience efforts are a major focus of state climate policy.
You will be paying for that through your state's taxes.

Virginia is warming: average temperatures have risen substantially, and extreme heat days are increasing, especially in cities like Richmond.
Extreme heat presents serious public health challenges, particularly for vulnerable populations. Are you telling me that you haven't noticed?
By phart [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 11:19 other posts 
there again,this is something whereas lifestyle choices make a difference. some folks choose to live on the coast and expect a house remodel everytime the wind blows and the water flows all paid for by insurance. when you invest in a land and a home, you buy on higher ground. you study the area of the country you want to move to and find a area of high elevation.and start looking there.doesn't have to be mountains, just a place higher up than the coast.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Feb,26 15:39 other posts 
You pick one issue, to make believe it's just people living in a strip 5 miles along the coast who are in trouble. It's NOT, it's almost everyone for one reason or another.
Half of your country will be too dry for agriculture and water will be too expensive to irrigate. The whole South will have the temperature of North Africa now, around 2050. Around 2100, it will be like similar to what equatorial Africa or northern South America experiences today. At the same time, equatorial regions (Central Africa, northern South America, parts of India/SE Asia) are projected to not reliably support populations anymore due to heat, drought, and crop/freshwater limits. The countries that are associated with hunger now, will be completely uninhabitable. If you think that the run
on your borders is bad now, you have seen nothing yet.

That's basically the South of the US struggling massive economical problems. Then you have the whole East coast, which will be affected by the hurricanes. About 127 million Americans, nearly 40% of the US population lives in coastal states, that will face devastating hurricanes every other few years. They won't be able to just move. Who is going to buy a house in an area that is facing that risk? No ordinary American anyway. Obama might still have his home there, because it's cooler, but he has enough money to take that risk.

The land on higher elevations will become too expensive, because everyone wants to live there. Tens of millions of Americans will all be financially forced to stay put, until their house gets blown apart. If they survive, then they'll start looking to pick up the pieces of their lives again, probably up North.


By #748416 04,Feb,26 15:53
I just ripped a nasty fart or reeeeeekkk... is that global warming?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Feb,26 16:03 other posts 
A very, very, very, very, very, very small bit of global warming.
When it's because you ate beans, I'll allow it.
If not, go plant a tree now.
By #748416 04,Feb,26 20:25
oh yeah,, so what happens when you mulitply it by 9 billion.. plus cows, dogs. cats. deer.. bear ect// its about 1 trillion farts.. oh when shit comes out of your stupid mouth its multiplied exponentially..
By phart [Ignore] 04,Feb,26 21:44 other posts 
I tried to research the effect of human farts on climate change and can't remember where I posted it here.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 03:43 other posts 
I can do some quick calculations for you:
A single cow emits roughly 200–1,000× more methane than an average human.
(Most of the cow’s methane comes from burps, not farts.)
(Most of the human's methane comes from gut microbes.)

There are now roughly on Earth:
Humans: 8.3 billion
Cows: 1.4 – 1.5 billion

In total, humans produce: 0.8–4.2 million tonnes of methane per year.
In total, cows produce: 140–180 million tonnes of methane per year.

That means that our livestock cows produce between 33× - 225× more methane
than we do ourselves.

Other livestock animals:
Sheep: ~8–12 million tonnes/year
Goats: ~5–7 million tonnes/year
Pigs: ~1 million tonnes
Horses: minor impact, because the global population is relatively small
Chickens & poultry: Almost negligible methane, because their digestion doesn’t produce much CH₄ at all

Fun fact; a recent global biomass census of mammals (wild and domestic)
shows that this is the distribution of total mammal biomass on Earth:
Livestock (domesticated mammals): ~60–62 %
Humans themselves: ~34–36 %.
Wild mammals (land and ocean combined): ~4 %
(so the CH₄ emission of e.g. deer, bears, lions and apes will probably be negligible)
By phart [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 07:59 other posts 
Apparetently you aint been around when the turkey and chicken houses are being cleaned out and all the manure is being trucked around to all the farm fields! SOMETHING stinks in it!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 10:56 other posts 
Methane has no smell. That's ammonia NH₃. Ammonia is not a greenhouse gas.
It doesn’t trap heat in the atmosphere the way CO₂, CH₄ or N₂O do.
The abundance of ammonia emissions is a problem, called "nitrogen pollution".
It's not N₂, because that's 79% of Earth’s atmosphere, the problem is ammonia NH₃, nitrate NO₃⁻, or nitrogen oxides NOₓ pollution.

That's not related to climate change, that's related to overfertilization.
It's like overfeeding of nature, to make it diseased, just like people get diabetes
and heart disease, if they stuff themselves with sugar and fat all day, every day.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 08:10 other posts 
where did he go?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Feb,26 11:03 other posts 
I think he got himself kicked. Just like TrumpSupporter, TrumpSupporter2, TrumpSupporter8, TrumpSupporter69, or whatever he called himself before.
Shame, I was just starting to warm up to him. And he LOVED me.


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