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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by #485312 [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By phart [Ignore] 15,Apr,24 21:20 other posts 
Some more reality setting in

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Which this news from tesla may not be a bad thing. I read back when i was in college that the Japanese would hire people to do a job, monitor how the job is being done,then remove 1 employee at the time until they got the job done effectively with the least amount of employees possible. Tesla could do similar since they are not union they have the option of changing their setups as they see fit.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Apr,24 12:55 other posts 
It's not because it's a bad market, they are just losing from the competition.

I would really want to buy an electric car, but not a Tesla. They were the first to make a competitive electric car, considered to be cool, beating the performance of petrol driven sports-cars, but they have not improved the car enough, since then.
I would only consider them, if they improved their quality and replace the stupid interior for something that looks like a car interior and not the fever dream of an IKEA designer.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Apr,24 15:16 other posts 
Nah, the interior is what makes a Tesla unique.
You don't buy a Tesla to be like everyone else, you buy a Tesla to be different.
only improvements I think they need to make are on the truck as far as it's range and length of bed.
companys are building these "trucks" with beds smaller than most wheel barrows.what good are they? A truck is supposed to HAUL stuff.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,Apr,24 07:05 other posts 
That's why I said; Tesla made electric cars cool.
Now electric cars are cool and faster, other brands are taking over, making better, cooler and faster EV's. Tesla's market share is dropping below 50% soon.
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Only Americans care about trucks. When the rest of the world wants to haul stuff,
they buy a van. A European citizen, who needs a car with more cargo, buys an estate.
All the electric estate cars come from Europe:
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The percentage of pickup trucks sold in my country is around 0.5% (2000 a year).
But we have more than a million vans, on 9.1 million passenger cars.
We now have 5.2% electric cars in my country.

American reacts to Why Station Wagons Are More Popular In Europe Than America
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By phart [Ignore] 01,Mar,24 16:11 other posts 
reality setting in
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"Simply put, these huge industrial sites – we simply must stop using the friendly-sounding term “farms” to describe them – create all manner of negative consequences for local communities. Consequences like loud noise from wind turbines, hundreds of dead birds and bats sprinkled across the countryside, thousands of acres of productive farm or ranchlands taken out of production for many years if not permanently, spoiled views, enormous “graveyards” filled with 150-foot blades and solar panels popping up all over the place, and impacts to local wind and weather patterns that are only now beginning to be understood."

Not as much is green about "Green Energy" as the promoters claim.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Mar,24 05:18 other posts 
By Aliceinwonder [Ignore] 07,Mar,24 06:28 other posts 
Sadly, that graph is not going to convince anyone who chooses to believe that over 90% of scientists are lying through their teeth about climate change so that they can get funding for their research.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Mar,24 09:16 other posts 
Nor does it seem that folks can see the landfills are filling up with windmill blades either.

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Hard to believe they take them out of service so quickly anyway Should be made of lightweight pvc anyway or aluminum. something easily recyclable.

Apparently these folks that like fiberglass windmill blades have never had the loose fibers get into their skin and lungs ,say from cutting or scraping them.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Mar,24 10:12 other posts 
I don't deny anything. It's only your side who denies everything that doesn't suit your narrative and completely exaggerates what does suit your narrative, like the birds dying. I agree with making wind turbine blades from less polluting materials and using wind turbines to their maximum lifespan. That's what regulation should fix.

Yes, the birds are important, so prohibit all domestic cats and kill all feral cats?
Than we can expand the number of wind turbines by a factor of 10,256,
without killing more birds, than cats do now.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Mar,24 08:02 other posts 
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solar has it's draw backs to.It can cause warming.

What are the negatives of hydropower?
Pros and Cons of Hydroelectric Energy - Kiwi Energy
Here are a few of the main disadvantages of hydroelectric energy.

It Has an Environmental Impact. Perhaps the largest disadvantage of hydroelectric energy is the impact it can have on the environment. ...
It Displaces People. ...
It's Expensive. ...
There are Limited Reservoirs. ...
There are Droughts. ...
It's Not Always Safe.

No, we conservatives are just sticks in the mud according to liberals. Plow horses wore blinders so they would not be distracted by things around them.
liberals wear blinders because they only focus on the "new idea" and not the reason the "old Idea" hasn't been changed.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 12,Mar,24 07:51 other posts 
There are negatives of every power generation technology,
but only fossil fuels are the ones threatening humanity now.

Hydropower is the cheapest power generation technology we have.
Please do some research before you say something.
There's just one problem with it; climate change brings long periods of drought, which is creating problems for hydropower in many areas in the world.
That's one of the reasons for China is doing more coal power now. Record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China, including parts of the Yangtze, to dry up, affecting hydropower.

You're not sticks in the mud to me, you're roadblocks on the way to progress.
Your road leads to a canyon, but like Thelma and Louise, you're speeding ahead.
But, it's not just you in that car, it's the sensible people too. And that's not fair.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Mar,24 12:31 other posts 
fossil fuels have brought alot of prosperity to the world. without them, you would not be living the good life you are now.
how can solar or hydro bring large cargo ship loads of goods to your country from ours or vice versa? it takes fossil fuels.
electric mining equipment, works but the electricity comes from somewhere. The amperage needed for 1 excavator digging out material for battery's would be far more than a windmill could make.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Mar,24 07:11 other posts 
That's true and now fossil fuels are destroying humanity and that prosperity.
We either find a solution to prevent the worst of it or die off.

I have told you about technologies before that can power large cargo ships
on solar, hydro, bio or wind power. Understand that about 40% of the mass transported with those ships consists of fossil fuels. And maybe we could ship
a bit less shit from China?

If combustion engines are indispensable for a certain task, then they can run on hydrogen, alcohol or bio-fuel. The problem is however never the combustion engine itself, because electric motors are much stronger for their size. It's indeed the energy storage that is the problem. However, energy storage is not limited to batteries. There are several chemical solutions to efficiently store energy in a liquid or solid, with high density, which can easily be refilled in a short time, just like tanking fossil fuels. Electric energy storage also gets better by the day. High capacity capacitors can be recharged with many times the speed of batteries. At the moment they can hold a bit less energy than batteries, but it's the time unit of charging per time unit of operation that counts. A minute of charging for an hour of operation is acceptable. We do not have to kill humanity to avoid that minor inconvenience.
By #610414 03,Apr,24 09:01
No, they will stick to their story, no matter what, just like flat earthers.
But, I like seeing them squirm and bend into impossible positions,
trying to defend their illogical ideas. And, it might help other people.
By #610414 21,Mar,24 09:38
Are you, Aliceinwonder, one of those that believes that over 90% of scientists are lying through their teeth about climate change so that they can get funding for their research?
If you are then tell us what the “lies” are and if you are right, what do you think they do with that funding? You think they buy high priced cars and mansions?
More to the point, do you think funding sources just give funds on the word of a scientist? What happens when the funding runs out and there are no results?
I agree with you. It’s sad that when there’s no factual argument to the matter at hand, the first thing that happens is that the messenger is shot. 👿
By phart [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 10:09 other posts 
obama must not believe the global warming hoax,he recently bought a beach front property.
By #610414 21,Mar,24 10:47
Why do you still bring in the Obamas into this discussion? Besides, if their home sits over four feet of elevation, nothing will affect them for a long time. We can't change what has happened. We just have to adapt
By phart [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 12:37 other posts 
he is 1 of your democrat idols. if he jumped off the empire state building ,millions would follow. and he is in his 3rd term now,using biden as his mouth piece and pen holder.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 21:42 other posts 
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" 'You know what, if I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in, a front-man or a front-woman and they had an ear piece in and I was just in my basement with my sweats looking through the stuff and I could sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking and ceremony"

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By #610414 22,Mar,24 20:48
Where does it stop?
By phart [Ignore] 22,Mar,24 21:51 other posts 
when the bullshit stops and the American consumer can buy what they WANT with their own money and we can have honest elections and when people stop hating each other just because they disagree.
By #610414 25,Mar,24 11:32
When were you able to buy whatever you wanted? I didn’t know you are a multi-millionaire.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Mar,24 13:07 other posts 
You know what i mean.
If I want a gas car,I go buy what I can afford.If I want a electric, i am shit out of luck unless I find alot of money.BUT money is the only obstacle from getting what I choose.
Making laws telling me regardless of my income I can't have a choice,that is the issue.
By #610414 25,Mar,24 19:51
Why? Can you go out and buy prescription drugs without a script? Can you choose to not pay taxes?
By phart [Ignore] 25,Mar,24 22:38 other posts 
-homeless people don't pay taxes, You can go to the streets in town and ask around and get any pill you want.Which I don't do. but it is possiable.
By #610414 27,Mar,24 12:17
Phart, what does homeless people have to do with this conversation?
By phart [Ignore] 27,Mar,24 19:43 other posts 
You ask if i could get pills without a scrip,I told you how you could.
By #610414 28,Mar,24 23:38
I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that a prescription that cost almost nothing in a drugstore would not be offered by a dealer
Let's provide you with a fresh term, that I haven't used before.
phart, what you're doing is 'Gish galloping':

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By phart [Ignore] 02,Apr,24 17:16 other posts 
Yea right,and you aint?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Apr,24 05:34 other posts 
There is a difference; I'm sticking to a point, while you switch
from point to point way more, almost never reacting to the point
that was made in the comment you react on, but something aside
to the point, which is mostly irrelevant.
I'm not saying I never do that, but not as often as you.
By #610414 27,Mar,24 12:27
Phart, what does the availability of prescription drugs on the black market have to do with this conversation?
I bet you couldn’t find anyone selling prescription drugs for psoriasis, and, by the way, if you don’t work, you don’t have to pay taxes. You don’t even have to file. The taxes you are referring to is called INCOME TAXES. NO WORKEE, NO INCOME.
All other taxes are from POS transactions like gas or liquor. If they are homeless, they don’t pay PROPERTY taxes.
But, again, what does it have to do with this conversation? You implied the federal government is restricting your access to certain goods. Did you complain when the Feds restricted vehicles that didn’t conform to epa Regis like catalytic converters?
By phart [Ignore] 27,Mar,24 19:44 other posts 
Hell yes and I still complain and most of the shit I own doesn't comply!
By #610414 29,Mar,24 00:08
Then, my friend, you are a LAWBREAKER.🤣🤣😈❤️
By phart [Ignore] 26,Mar,24 12:02 other posts 
oh by the way, 8 more states are looking at gas car sales bans.,how many will that make, 12? Hows that freedom when you can't even buy a car to travel to grandma's 3 states away that doesn't require hotel stays for the car to charge?
By #610414 27,Mar,24 12:28
They are restricting sales in their jurisdiction. Buy it in another jurisdiction.
By phart [Ignore] 27,Mar,24 19:44 other posts 
How long before there are no more jurisdictions? and whois to say you would be allowed to register in your own?
By #610414 29,Mar,24 00:10
What if, what if. No, baby, I don't buy it.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Mar,24 14:46 other posts 
You won't be ALLOWED to buy it!
By phart [Ignore] 22,Mar,24 21:55 other posts 
oh yea, I bought a pack of the "I did that " biden stickers. I aint put them on gas pumps and such myself but i got them for a novelty and have give some to friends to use as they see fit,they have this same image of biden,
I would like to know what was going on when that pic was took. he just looks so confused, dumbfounded.it's like he was watching paint dry while high on mushrooms or something
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Mar,24 14:20 other posts 
Sorry, CAT, but that comes a little too close to reality, to be funny.
By #610414 27,Mar,24 12:32
True, Ananas, this is not supposed to be funny.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Mar,24 17:29 other posts 
wrong face on it, needs to be obama's since he is the 1 talking in bidens ear pieces.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Mar,24 11:11 other posts 
Who is talking about wanting to be a dictator?
Who is using literal Nazi rhetoric, calling people animals and vermin?
It's Trump.

Your argument is ridiculous. Everything that Obama did was democratic and everything he ever said was well-considered and decent. He was the hardest working president you ever had, tried to cooperate with the other side to the absurd and did everything to improve your country. Obama is a good man. Don't lower him to the level of your selfish piece of shit, treasonous, raping, racist, fascist, wannabe dictator.
Obama has the money to waste. That property will last the remainder of his life.
In the meantime he can enjoy it.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Mar,24 18:27 other posts 
and just where did "Chef where are Thee" get that kind of money,? with the presidents salary being around 42,000 a year?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Mar,24 18:28 other posts 
The president makes $400,000 a year, and has an expense allowance of $50,000.
Who told you the president makes only $42,000 per year?
That would be stupid. That's asking for corruption.

He gets a speaking fee of a million per gig.
Well, $400,000 now. The million was just after he was president.
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Then he has his book sales. And he was a millionaire before he was president.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Mar,24 20:48 other posts 
oops, I had heard that number and must admit I didn't research it.
I can't see anything he says being worth a million,nor TRump for that matter
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Mar,24 05:49 other posts 
Me neither, but that's capitalism, so you should like it.
If there is a market for you speaking, then you can ask
whatever price the rules of supply and demand support.

Actually, as a socialist, I see no problem with getting rich that way.
No one is exploiting anyone else's labor that way.
If people feel they get their money's worth, that's an honest exchange.
Pay your taxes, and whatever wealth remains is yours.
It's honest money, so that shouldn't be taxed crazy high.
I want to tax the lazy fuckers who profit off other people's work.

Jamie Oliver's fee also ranged from $100,000 - $1,000,000.
I would pay good money to see him, just not what he is asking.
But, I'm paying good money to see several big performances this year.
By Aliceinwonder [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 10:12 other posts 
If I were, why would I start with the word "sadly"?
By #610414 21,Mar,24 10:48
You tell us.
By Aliceinwonder [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 12:51 other posts 
Sorry, I'm confused. Either you are misreading my exasperation at the boneheadedness of climate deniers, or you are making a point that I simply cannot grasp.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 14:32 other posts 
I am making that point that you can not grasp that the earth has been changing long before we got here and will be until the sun goes super nova
By Aliceinwonder [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 18:56 other posts 
I was replying to CAT.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Mar,24 21:28 other posts 
That one of you classic arguments. You know that the earth has been changing long before we got here, because SCIENCE TOLD YOU. The same SCIENCE that is now telling you that the earth has never been changing as fast as now.

The last time atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts were this high was more than 3 million years ago, during the Mid-Pliocene Warm Period, when global surface temperature was 4.5–7.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5–4 degrees Celsius) warmer than during the pre-industrial era. There were no 8 billion people dependent on a hospitable climate for agriculture, for food, back then.

The Earth will be OK. It's humanity we are worrying about.
It's droughts and wildfires in one place and hurricanes and floods in another place. It's massive costs from damages and unaffordable food. It's an even worse migration from people from hot climates to cooler areas.

Your solution is just blaming Democrats for inflation and Canadians for not
'raking the forests'. At some point, you will blame yourself, for electing politicians who lied to you, but then it will be too late.
Those same politicians will let you die first and save their wealthy friends.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Mar,24 19:30 other posts 
Who is to blame for the forest fires ? Why don't other places have them that have better forestry management programs?and inflation is the dems fault.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Apr,24 06:11 other posts 
Why are there so much more forest fires, while the budgets and costs of forestry management programs have massively increased (inflation corrected)?

Who is to blame? Everyone who uses fossil fuels.
When everyone is to blame, everyone is responsible to solve the problem.
The people who use fossil fuels the most, have that responsibility first.
And that starts with people who profited the most from fossil fuels.

How is inflation the dems fault? If it is true, you should have a concrete explanation for it. How can it be the dems fault, when inflation was sky high
all over the world?
By phart [Ignore] 01,Apr,24 16:25 other posts 
the increased cost is going into labor and positions.Not actual effort clean up and prevent fires.
Who's to blame? the dems.
How?,Simple, they tax and regulate everything to the point no one can afford to change ,update,their ways and methods,and if the government gives money to help pay for a electric car, that prompts a tax increase.
tax and waste,tax and waste.

Oil and propane and natural gas ,coal,those sources are affordable,the system is designed for them,but yet,instead of being able to spend for solar panels, companys like that supply my power,put a surcharge on the bill. Because they can't afford to upgrade or do research and still turn a decent profit,which is the primary function of a company,to make MONEY
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Apr,24 16:13 other posts 
So, if that's what dems are doing, then why did inflation rise even before Biden got into office and was sky high before he even managed to do any taxing and regulating?

And even if he raised taxes by 100% on day one and regulated the shit out of everything, that STILL doesn't explain OUR INFLATION! It was GLOBAL!

Most of the inflation was caused by corporate greed. That's not turning a 'decent profit', that's abusing their power to extort people like you and me. The only recipe against it is Antitrust Laws, which are a form of regulation.

You understand that the primary function of a company is to make MONEY.
Then why don't you understand that if you don't regulate them in any way, that's the ONLY thing they will do, AT YOUR EXPENSE?

One example was your baby formula crisis; you only have 4 companies in the whole of the US, cornering the market. As a result, they can screw you on availability and price. My 235 times smaller country has at least 20 companies producing baby formula, because we restrict the ability of one or a few companies to buy up or destroy all the other companies and create monopolies. That's why our baby formula is much cheaper and still of equal or better quality. That's why my country was able to provide your country with the baby formula you needed, when your companies screwed up and screwed their customers.

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By the way, on what do you base this argument:
"the increased cost is going into labor and positions"?

Wage increases have not exceeded inflation for decades.
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So what do you have on the 'positions', besides some gut feeling?

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By phart [Ignore] 03,Apr,24 11:13 other posts 
diversity and equity are affecting hiring.

I am basing it on common sense for the most part.
Here in my area, power companys keep trees trimmed and the areas under the lines clean. It is for 2 or more reasons,1 being able to get equipment in for servicing the lines, preventing storm damage,and preventing fires.
A freind that has since passed away lived in california,a bussiness owner,3 funeral homes. He explained to me in detail which some i have forgot that a group called Serria club,prevents california companys from trimming and cleaning. Thus,when over growth happens, fires happen.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Apr,24 13:14 other posts 
Well, if diversity and equity is affecting hiring, then those positions are getting cheaper, because woman and minorities are still being paid less.

It's a fact that summers are getting hotter and dryer. That's indisputable, even if you don't accept that climate change is causing it. Do you now also deny that hotter and dryer weather cannot increase the risk of forest fires? You do now when most forest fires happen, right? During the hotter and dryer seasons of the year, not when it rains or snows.

There is definitely a link between more overgrowth and forest fires.
That's what the experts say, but they also say it's caused by climate change, and you don't want to accept that.
You do know that problems can have more than 1 cause, I hope.
Actually, almost every problem has more than one cause.
It's called the 'Swiss Cheese Model of accident causation'.
Well, that's the funny name they use for it, at least.



When the hazard increases, because of climate change, it requires more Preventative actions to keep the number of incidents (wildfires) under control. When all the controls fail, an incident happens. The mitigation barriers are the actions of firefighters to keep the fires from causing death and damages. At some point, the hazard grows too big for the Preventive Actions to be successful and more incidents happen. Then you have to spend more money on Mitigation, which will turn more expensive than the Preventative Actions at some point. Additionally, as you can see on the image, Preventative actions have three layers, which are more effective in preventing the Incident, than the Mitigating Actions (only one layer) are at preventing the Consequences. That's why they say 'prevention is better than cure'.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Apr,24 16:34 other posts 
OK I can agree, problems have more than 1 cause.
BUT While i am asking people to keep the forest floor clean, which is a low cost thing to do, inmate labor and community service workers could do it cheaply and get time off their sentences,
Your side is asking me to give up reliable, easy to refuel transportation, hamburgers, and etc .Expensive things .
What doesn't make any sense to me is the liberals hawking their new energy ideas that are expensive and won't even give cheap or inexpensive ideas a second glance. Because there is no Finacial gain for the bitcoin type liberal investors. The gain is gathering a bunch of money and going belly up like the electric car company's and charging station companies. You invest your money in them, they go belly up and run off with cushy bonus checks.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Apr,24 14:28 other posts 
"Your side is asking me to give up reliable, easy to refuel transportation, hamburgers, and etc .Expensive things."

I'm telling you that we don't have a choice. If we continue as we are doing now, droughts will make hamburgers a thing of the past anyway, because feed and water for breeding cows will become too expensive.
In any case, you won't be able to afford them. Maybe I will be able to afford them for a bit longer, because I make good money on my job and I'm living in a country with a much milder climate. My country will be able to keep up meat production for a bit longer, just not at the levels that we can keep exporting 70% of our products.

Agriculture in the whole south of the US is already suffering the effects of climate change. At the moment, 52% of American soil is used by agriculture. Of that area, 79% is used for livestock production. That's not sustainable, if farms go out of business due to drought.

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I'm not saying we should completely stop eating meat. It will just become way more expensive; it will be a luxury. No one can stop that, unless we stop climate change.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Apr,24 22:58 other posts 
We are loosing alot more land to big housing developments than we are cows, trust me.
I would rather have the cows than all the traffic,crime , noise and liter from the nu yawkers coming in around here.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Apr,24 06:51 other posts 
People need to live somewhere don't they?

What part of droughts making meat more expensive don't you understand? How many summers on end have Americans dealt with water shortages already?

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Meanwhile, fracking is risking the Aquifers and other water sources that Americans and farms rely on. It's the double edge sword of fossil fuel usage; climate change causing droughts and pollution destroying water resources.

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Even the fracking itself requires water
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Eat one pound of beef less and save 1,847 gallons of water.
That's 6 days water usage of the average American family.
By #610414 22,Mar,24 20:50
My mistake, Aliceinwonder, I went back to your post and I realized I read it wrong. Sorry.
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