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Global Warming... What do you Believe?

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Started by #485312 [Ignore] 15,Dec,20 18:50
Fact or Fiction.... is it really happening???
what do you think contributes to it and what is
being done to stop it?

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By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,21 08:32 other posts 
The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day
The carbon monoxide in your body leaves through your lungs when you breathe out
So, with these 2 factoids could it be that humans are a terrible threat to our atmosphere?
If you think really hard about it ,Adam and Eve were creating emissions and harming the atmosphere long before the v8 came along.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,Oct,21 09:15 other posts 
Adam and Eve were alone in the garden of Eden. It sounds like there were enough plants to convert their CO2 back into oxygen. They were lucky to have some animals there or all the plants would have died from lack of CO2.
If their descendants wouldn't have invented cars and steel-mills, the garden of Eden would be in no trouble at all.

Our Tata Steel emits 12.3 million tons of CO2 per year (2017 number). That's the same as 33 million people breathing, about twice the number of people living in my country.

The total CO2 emission of the Netherlands in 2017 was 163 million tons, so Tata Steel was only 7.5% of the total. 163 million tons of CO2 equals 439 million people breathing.


By boc [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 15:58 other posts 
Im inclined to go with the vast majority of professionals in the relevant fields of research.
By phart [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 16:34 other posts 
Very Few sheep stray from the flock.
By boc [Ignore] 06,Oct,21 11:30 other posts 
Its not about following a sheppard. But if i want a metal roof put on my house i dont go to a car mechanic. I go to a sheet netal mechanic.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Oct,21 19:21 other posts 
As a adult human, you should be capable of deductive reasoning.
You should be able to open your eyes, ears and take notice of what is happening in your immediate surroundings. High cost of environmental laws and regulations, the sacrifice's of comfort and well being, just so a volcano can erupt and blow more shit into the atmosphere in a week than humans have created this century.
Your life span is short as a human ,probably around 75-80 years. The earth has been here for eon's and will be here LONG after we and our descendants are gone.
Humans once ate raw meat and plants. Then fire was discovered and the pollution began. To eliminate the human impact on earth would require our annihilation.
Do you want that?
I doubt it.
Live your life and enjoy the luxury's of technology that has required the blood, sweat and tears of 1000's of inventors over century's.
Let's not put ourselves back into the stone age just to satisfy some liberal politicians.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 12,Oct,21 13:22 other posts 
Phart, why can’t there be a happy medium. Man will not go back to the horse and buggy. Food will never be a product of a personal plot of land, but, why is it so bad to look for alternative fuels. For over 20,000 yrs man used wood and fire. In the last two hundred years we discovered “black, gold. Texas T. Pollution can be controlled. Why is that so repugnant to you? The world will be around long after man disappears from the face of it, but, while we are here, why not extend our stay?
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,21 13:55 other posts 
You spoke a bit of logic.A happy medium. Now tell that to folks like AOC that want us to eat bean sprouts and allow cattle to go extinct.
Alternatives,sure,go for it,just don't ram the first thing that comes up down everyone's throat. Let the CONSUMER decide what THEY want to use or do.
IF a person wants to eat bean sprouts and fart thru a carbon filter then so be it.
that is their CHOICE.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 12,Oct,21 14:03 other posts 
Last I checked, Phart, there are no food cops going in with you inside the grocery store. And, since when did you start to listen to AOC or anyone else for that matter? And you know the cattle industry will never let AOC destroy their industry. Especially as Texas and Florida are the two biggest producers of cattle.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,21 16:06 other posts 
it is not a matter of letting, hell no if they have any say or chance of saving their lively hoods, of course they will.


By 7uncut [Ignore] 12,Oct,21 13:50 other posts 
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By phart [Ignore] 05,Oct,21 22:24 other posts 
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By #652003 27,Sep,21 06:22
Cutting down all the trees and replacing with asphalt roads and building, the earth is loosein it's shade
By dgraff [Ignore] 28,Sep,21 08:22 other posts 
Your on the right track some one correct me if I’m wrong I’m just a dumb automotive technician from the back woods of Pennsylvania but the trees breathe just like we do only opposite they breathe co2 and emit oxygen so if we eliminate all the co2 the trees would die so my theory would be to stop waisting land building strip malls and stupid things we don’t need to survive and start planting more trees and plants I own 22 acres of mountain land it’s all trees and rocks I could strip it and sell off the hard wood for lumber and I could sell off the rocks and become fairly rich but I love it in it’s natural green glory
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 11:51 other posts 
You are my hero, Chupete. I love ❤️ you.
That’s why cutting and burning the Amazon forest is so bad for the earth
By dgraff [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 14:26 other posts 
Absolutely and thank you
By phart [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 21:19 other posts 
You are addressing a issue that would be easy solved.
Instead of letting the center of town rot, and building new outwards, rebuild the inner city, that is already devoid of trees.
By dgraff [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 21:25 other posts 
That’s a good start
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 02,Oct,21 14:39 other posts 
The idea is good. The problem is most of the inner city is private. No city will sink untold billions when they have to get the property through imminent domain.
By Gntlmn [Ignore] 03,Oct,21 20:21 other posts 
Good man!


By phart [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 13:41 other posts 
Ok,so the climiate change folks are crying about things warming up.OK, BUT to keep things from warming up,we are supposed to stop burning oil and coal. Which puts us more dependant on nuclear energy.
OH MY< BUT what did Russia do??????
over 100 nuclear subs scuttled way up north! ALL that radiation.
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So this is a situation where the 2 ideas are going to collide, you want clean air, but you are also going to glow in the dark.

IF you don't make nuclear waste,you don't have to get rid of it.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 15:46 other posts 
Why does it have to be nuclear? But, even if it does have to be nuclear, the answer is to find disposal sites. I’m no scientist but how about the moon or the asteroid belt?
By phart [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 16:33 other posts 
"dat thar moon up thar,that be a gud dump fo our waste yea!".
you have to get the stuff TO the moon first.
And that is Dangerous. Hell,they are still fishing shuttle parts out of the lakes and woods of America as we speak.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 02,Oct,21 13:27 other posts 
No more dangerous than transporting the stuff in semi trucks to the dump site. If the launch pad could be located in the Caribbean it would be ok


By phart [Ignore] 28,Sep,21 09:30 other posts 
As liberals shiver in their nike's worrying about cow farts,
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 04:08 other posts 
I'm not afraid of North Korea starting nuclear war, I'm afraid of the US 'winning' it.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 10:18 other posts 
Spoken like a true moron.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 12:00 other posts 
Oh really? What country has ever used nukes? (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)
The US has almost started nuclear war before once.
Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Trump asked a foreign policy advisor why the U.S. can't use nuclear weapons. Not just once, but several times. If there is ever a nuclear war, it's about 100% likely that the US destroys the world, probably before anyone else has fired a nuke.

So explain with arguments why what I said is so stupid. If you can't, you're the moron.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 12:23 other posts 
You are not even an American, or American Citizen. So, stop your bitching. You live life on the dole. Sitting at home, acting so ever sophisticated. You have zero thoughts of your own.

Guess you didn't recall it was democrat president involved in both nuclear exchanges with Japan. It was a Republican president that used nuclear deterrence to win the Cold War.. mind you keeping Europe safe from big bad Russian for over 60 years.

Cuban Missile Crisis? Those idiot Kennedy's, both dems nearly started WWIII. You are a cut and paste moron. Go scream about healthcare and racism next.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 04:37 other posts 
You didn't keep anyone safe from the Russians, the rest of the world just lived under constant threat of annihilation, because two superpowers were rivaling over who pushes their ideology on the rest of the world. But, I'm sure I must be grateful your leaders had enough survival instinct, to not cover the world in a nuclear winter.

If the US goes to nuclear war with any other country, everyone dies, not just Americans. It doesn't matter if the button is pushed by a Democrat or a Republican. However, at the moment, I feel a bit safer with the Democrats, because Republicans have been electing ever crazier, corrupt, narcissist, fascist, wanna be dictators.

"on the dole"? I have a job and I'm sure it's doing something more worthwhile
for society than you are doing.
By phart [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 21:12 other posts 
Sadly, some adversary's only understand a bigger "xyz" than their own. Be it a weapon or a tool or a race engine or a flash light. There are bully's in school, bully's in the work place, bully's in government.
Case in point, quoted from BBC's website.
" North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2018

Now, if you were Kim, sitting over there with your 6 grains of rice and 1 liter of swamp water at the dinner table, and you read that, would it not convey to you that you may want to leave the US of A alone??.
That is where the bigger gun,the bigger missle, the bigger plane,the bigger etc,comes into play.
Guns and missles are like fire trucks,you keep them shiney and you make sure everyone knows they are ready and working,but you hope you never need them.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 15:50 other posts 
That Trump tweet was actually pretty funny. I think there was even some self-mockery going on, with his bigger and more powerful button. Trying to make friends with Kim was definitely not the worst thing Trump did. Their bromance was a bit awkward, but it made me feel a bit safer. To bad he didn't get along with the Iranians as well.

Actually it makes me feel more secure that the computer systems of you nuclear missiles haven't been updated since the nineteen-seventies. It still uses 8-inch floppy disks. With a bit of luck, it won't work, if you ever needed it.
At least hackers don't stand a chance.

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By CAT-2 [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 11:17 other posts 
We survived the Cold War with an adversary ten times more dangerous. Why do you assume liberals are any more or less afraid than you conserva-puckers?
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Anyone with a mind should be concerned about a crazy despot like N Korea’s president. He just doesn’t understand that we can make a radio active waists land out of N Korea. BTW, if you think us liberals will tolerate anyone giving us shit, you certainly don’t know your countrymen.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 12:07 other posts 
"an adversary ten times more dangerous"? You mean Russia?
Explain how they were ten times more dangerous.
Because, that is obviously lazy thinking.
It's just the assumption "we are good and they are bad".
Guess what, the other sides thinks exactly the same.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 14:10 other posts 
Regardless of who thinks what, the USSR had all the firepower to reduce us to a cinder. They not only had the firepower but the technology to deliver it to any place in the world. They also had the ability to get alíes in Central America, the Caribbean, Africa, and Asia. Kruschev, in the UN took his shoe off and pounded the desk, yelling “We will bury you”. It was not an assumption. We were good and they were the bad any way you want to look at it. They overran the Eastern European countries, they supported terrorism, they went into Afghanistan, and made a police state out of Russia and it’s satellite countries. They disrupted the Middle East. What more do you need? And, don’t forget, I lived through it all until the Berlin Wall came down. And it became Russia again.
By phart [Ignore] 30,Sep,21 21:17 other posts 
I know for a fact during the Cuban crisis that there was a B52 in the air and all it's crew had on their eye patches for Defcon 2, as they were carrying live nukes just waiting for a target.
The discussion on the plane, that the crew was flying for the first time as they had been in b36's, was where would they land after they dropped the bombs. It was decided it didn't matter, as there would be no where to land by that time. A good friend was a flight engineer on that b52.
The patch was so if you happened to see the flash, it would only affect 1 eye, and you could remove the patch and resume your mission.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 07:37 other posts 
The world really went through the eye of the needle then.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 08:15 other posts 
Yes, they (we) did. That's why I say N. Korea is worrisome but not apocalyptic.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 08:33 other posts 
North Korea is horrible, mostly for North Koreans.
Kim Jong-un is horrible, but he doesn't have a death wish.
He might have some nukes, but not enough to kill everyone.
The US has enough nukes to kill everyone. Russia too. China has 250 to 350 nukes, which is not enough to kill everyone, but makes life horrible enough.

So, if Kim Jong-un attacks, he would probably destroy South Korea and the rest of the world suffers some radiation. If the US retaliates, that will provoke China and Russia. The US will respond and destroy them both. Then we can all say our goodbyes, because even if you don't get vaporized by a nuke, you will die from radiation poisoning or nuclear winter.
That's why I said: "I'm not afraid of North Korea starting nuclear war, I'm afraid of the US 'winning' it."
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 09:09 other posts 
I don't believe we'll react that forcefully and Russia and China have national interests that they'll want to protect from an all out war. he world has changed to "Go ahead, I dare you." No more big wars.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 13:08 other posts 
But, to go back to the point. Yes, I'm more concerned with climate change,
which is going to be horrible for everyone, unless we do something soon,
than I am concerned with Kim Jong-un doing anything that will affect anyone other than North Koreans.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 15:36 other posts 
No argument from me. I believe it’s the #1 priority for humanity to tackle
Both the US and the USSR had the firepower to destroy the earth ten times. You had the same technology. You have US nuclear weapons 'pointing' at Russia in Germany, Italy, Turkey, Belgium and The Netherlands. The US also had many allies close to the Russian border (google 'NATO countries map'). Nixon did not just threaten Russia with words, he had 18 nuclear armed B-52 bombers patrol the Artic polar ice caps.
Since WWII, the US disrupted the Middle East starting much earlier and in many more countries than Russia ever did. "The United States has at various times in recent history provided support to terrorist and paramilitary organizations around the world.
It has also provided assistance to numerous authoritarian regimes that have used state terrorism as a tool of repression."
Russia has been brutal to their own citizens, but outside of their borders they fail
in comparison with the US. After WWII, the US has killed at least 12 Million people,
in 19 wars. What more do you need?

Russia has been very bad, so has the US!


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By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 08:20 other posts 
All true, but we were discussing Russia. The biggest screwup was the CIA installing The Sha of Iran as the ruler of Iran. We went downhill fast since then. At the time, our national interests were influenced by BIG OIL MONEY. The CIA's view was "If it is anti-Communist" then it's good for us. Screw the locals. It was a shameful period for us too, but, like many today say, "Screw the locals. War is war and you do anything to win."
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And, no you don't. You can't cut out the deaths caused by the USSR since inception. Stalin alone was more prolific than Hitler. We fought The USSR along with every other country in the free world (Bond, James Bond) Our cold war with The USSR is based on that Russian history. Any wars we fought were needed to be fought (Probably not but there was some truth in that)
By phart [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 10:08 other posts 
so we are just supposed to give up our protection and be vulnerable as a naked new born baby to any threat?
Bullshit,
I honestly don't think North korea should be expected to disarm it's self. It is a small ,tiny little country that if unprotected could fall victim to any aggressor. It is Kim's job to protect his country from perceived threats.It is the fact he mentions being able to hurt us, that causes problems.if he kept those threats to himself,it would help matters alot. Thru it all though,I do remember Trump offering him help to deal with the virus and it was refused.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 01,Oct,21 15:42 other posts 
I don’t think I’ve ever said that. I’m a liberal but if I have to walk at night through Liberty City, I’ll have an escort with a gun, a can of Maze or I won’t go


By #652316 28,Sep,21 02:51
As long as artificial geoengineering and weather manipulation is not included into the discussion, one need not to go further. For global temperatures ask the sun. A "greenhouse-effect" by Co2 is not very convincing - at least for a non-mainstream geoscientist.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,21 03:11 other posts 
"A 'greenhouse-effect' by CO2 is not convincing"? It's just physics!

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By #652316 28,Sep,21 03:23
Dear Ananas, science lives from the polemic and discussion. There is never just ONE opinion. One only right opinion is called "religion". That's the difference.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,21 07:37 other posts 
Science isn't a collection of opinions, it's a system for continuously testing and scrutinizing theories, determined from evidence. After hundreds or thousands of scientists criticized a theory for decades and all arguments against the theory fail, the chance that is not true gets to 1 in a million or higher. This is called the 'Gold Standard' (for level of certainty) of scientific evidence. The evidence that humans ere causing climate change has reached that 'Gold Standard'. There are always other opinions,
but it's up to the ones holding them to show their validity, against the science, not by claims of a political or religious nature.

Religion is determined via dogma, scripture and authority. When religion decides on an absolute truth, they will maintain that it's the truth, until no one in their right mind can deny the overwhelming evidence anymore, that it's false.

But why do you even pull religion into a discussion about climate change? The truth of climate change is a scientific question. If the bible said anything about the truth of climate change, wouldn't it be the prophesy of the "end times"?
Religion deals in morality, like whether humanity has an obligation to be a good shepherd to the earth.
By #652316 28,Sep,21 09:52
Because I am scientist and I unfortunately know too good how this buisness works. End of discussion.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,21 11:23 other posts 
If you're a scientist, check it yourself. I'm a scientist too and I see no inconsistencies or contradictions, that lead me to doubt it. Also the science of climate deniers is as weak and transparent as the logic of religious apologists. A scientist shouldn't have much trouble looking through that.
Also there is just personal observation of the world around you. A scientists is trained to recognize trends where there are and find flaws in the logic when they try to show relations where there are not, like so many pseudo-scientists do.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 11:30 other posts 
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You are so strong. What a man…….. now, back to reality. If you are a “scientist” I’m Mother Teresa. Science looks for the most probable, be it the problem or the solution. Then, the research continues to improve on the results. Religion is for those that face Meca and wiggle their asses in the air or genuflects to a poor man being tortured on a wooden cross. Science is to think, hence, my opinion of you.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 11:38 other posts 
and depending on who is paying rather or not it is a problem or a solution. Science follows the paycheck.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 29,Sep,21 11:48 other posts 
Wrong, science needs the paychecks to OPERATE. Anyone can understand that only the true line of reasoning will prevail no matter what the amount of money you throw at it. A customer comes to a mechanic and says,”my car won’t start. Here’s $200 for you to tell me it’s a flat tire.”. The lie has short legs. The truth comes out. Science is the same. Sure, one scientist can be bought to say anything but, there’s a million other scientists that will contradict him. Phart, way to go. True to form.


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