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Started by #495558 [Ignore] 01,Oct,15 18:01
First of all, I love guns. I own several and love to go shooting. For me, gun control is a nice tight pattern on the target. Or, my right index finger. I have always respected guns and never in a million years thought of turning one on an unarmed civilian population. I think that is the very definition of cowardice.

I am however interested in hearing everyone's opinion on the matter. Specifically, as it pertains to these mass shootings that keep happening. I don't see gun control or background checks stopping these from happening. It may help to some degree but that is not the end all solve.

In my opinion, and this is not meant to make light of the situation at all, is we have a country full of pussies. To make that sound more professional, I think this country is full of entitled people who think they deserve everything and don't want to work for anything. It is full of politically correct bullshit and kids who don't get graded in school and everyone gets a trophy. Well, that is not how the real world works. We all know this to be true, good bad or indifferent. It just isn't real.

These kids attend college etc and live in this bubble. When they enter the real world the smallest of offenses or setbacks sends them off on a rampage. We have failed to set boundaries and realistic expectations.

Again, just my opinion. You can post anything you want here.

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By #592419 27,May,21 22:09
I'm from Polk County Florida. First of all Florida is the free-est state in the union.. The Polk county sheriff said that he heard that Antifa was coming to trash Lakeland and Orlando.."LET ME GET SOMETHING VERY CLEAR.. IN FLORIDA WE HAVE GUNS and REDNECKS... If you even try to trash our businesses and break into our houses the it is coming from me with the warning that in the state of Florida it is legal to protect our property to BLOW YOUR FUCKING HEADS CLEAM OFF YOU HAVE TO ASK SOMETHING,, DO I FEEL LUCKY? LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!....THEY WILL HAVE THEIR GUNS AND SO WILL I... When that happens I'm going out for coffee and that is it !! Well no Antifa...
By #623135 01,Jun,21 08:23
Florida should be split into South Florida and North Florida. South Florida supports the rest of the state. Our taxes support the red necks of North Florida. The dividing line should be from north of Palm Beach to south of Tampa.
By #275407 01,Jun,21 11:30
There's a difference between north fl and s. Fl. Southern part of fl. Has a mixture of all kinds of people like any large city and is a very stressful place to live because of the amount of people that live here, where n.fl is more country and more farm land. Quite place to live where everyone is more laid back. Of course the exception is the large cities where the population is greater. I would prefer to live in the country away from other people or up in the mnts. I will one day in the near future be moving to the mnts where the stress level is low and the people are nice. Where I can go trout fishing and hiking with dgraff
By #623135 01,Jun,21 14:19
Well, fishing and hiking with or without Dgraff is always fun (keep behind him)
By phart [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 18:48 other posts 
I thought florida was full of yankee's and cubans and loose chickens?
By #623135 01,Jun,21 20:00
You are describing South Florida. From a line stretching from Ft Myers to Jupiter Beach north, it’s all yahoo country. The men all want to be the Marlboro man. They are always missing teeth, drive 10 yr old pickups with rifle supports on the back window. They are all Trump supporters and have the same education as Trump. They all conceal and carry. They all work at. McDonalds.
By #592419 27,Jun,21 18:28
I think you've got your geography mixed up genius.. South you have democrats and minorities that need public assistance for exchange of votes for the crooks.. North you have hard working conservatives that support people just like you.

Not to say all people south of Jupiter are leaches,, just the number of people that keep democrats in power
By #623135 28,Jun,21 17:45
Genius? Hardly but, check tax collections for the state. You’ll see South Florida counties are rich counties. The state uses some of that tax income to repair public works in the North Florida counties.
North Florida is full of Repukers that still think Trump won the election. And, by the way MIAMI – Data shows the majority of voters who supported President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence live in western Miami-Dade County. The supporters of projected President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris were in eastern Miami-Dade.
There were exceptions to the geographic divide. Some of the wealthiest areas in eastern Miami-Dade sided with Trump and agricultural areas in western Miami-Dade sided with Biden. Cuban-American and Colombian-American neighborhoods sided with Trump and African-American, Haitian-American, and Mexican-American neighborhoods sided with Biden.
The voter turnout in Miami-Dade County was a high 74.57%. The official summary data report from the supervisor of elections shows there were 1,563,572 voters registered and 1,165,883 voted at 866 precincts. The data shows 617,647, or 53.31%, voted for Biden, and 532,734 voters, or 45.98%, sided with Trump.

So let’s hear your theories.
By #592419 28,Jun,21 17:48
What theories.. its facts.. the richest people in the world live in south florida.. ON THE WATER,, Palm Beach,, Bocca.. but that's a small percentage less than 1%.. The rest is people that have trouble even going to the store for milk and bread. They need these welfare checks. They have many children to try and work the system then the children grow up with improper nourishment, poverty, and no education.. I've lived in south florida.. it sucks and its segregated not only on race but economical platforms as well..
Since you are so smart any genious can put up fake numbers on phony websites..Go see for yourself,, its right in front of your face.
By #623135 28,Jun,21 17:57
You are way off. The majority own good homes. Most neighborhoods are neat and/or modern. You lived in South Florida? I was born here. You are full of crap.
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Waste of time. It’s not worth arguing about. If that’s your view, go for it, but, you never provide any proof.
By #592419 28,Jun,21 18:02
I never said they own bad homes. Most don't even have a home or even a place to sleep. Don't false quote me. That's saying you are subjective. The person that is FULL of crap is you.. and its not up your ass
By phart [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 18:10 other posts 
I met a fellow recently that is leaving florida.He is a cop and loves the governor and most of the people but he met someone in this state he loves and is getting a new job.He said he was tired of the disrespect to cops.
By #592419 28,Jun,21 19:17
There is no other place to go. Perhaps in north florida but here with the educated police are honored and respected for the most part. We hate speeding tickets but nobodies perfect. They are here to serve and protect especially the innocent. When they go you have no place to go. With no guns and no police to support you-- you are open game and defenseless...
By #623135 30,Jun,21 10:12
If you mean Floridians are disrespectful to cops, remember A: this is a Red Repukers state and B: the cops in this state are full of Rodney King types.
I will agree with Candy on this one. I'm not sure how long ago Crums lived here. There is little poverty her now. South Florida is a haven of wealth. The building of new houses and high-rises continue. You can't find a one-bedroom apartment around me for less than $2,000. There aren't many shitty neighborhoods left. A few trailer parks here and there. Hell they've even taken what most people remember as Overtown during the riots and turned that into what they now call Wynwood. You can't find a one-bedroom studio down there for less than $300,000. It doesn't matter whether you go east west north or south it's expensive to live in South Florida. Prices really don't start to go down until you get north of Orlando.
By #592419 30,Jun,21 15:13
This demographic is the result of 2020 election between Trump and Biden. The Blue is for Biden and Red is for Trump. True that S. Florida has conservatives or what you call REdnecks including southeast florida. I'm saying the majority. More that 90% of counties won for Trump.. Desantes won the election because they tried to cheat in Broward country but was overturned... Where ever you have Blue counties you have segregation, despair, loneliness, poverty, homelessness.. Why is that? Wheever you have blue areas shaded it is mejor metropolitan areas. Red is elsewhere however fort myers as you can see has turned red.

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Popular vote 5,668,731 for Trump 5,297,045 Biden
Percentage 51.22% 47.86%
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 15:53 other posts 
I understand what they want us to believe. You can show me all the charts and grafts you want. I live here I know better. Trump did no lose Palm Beach or Broward County. Dade County was debatable. The Cubans were torn between Biden and Trump. It wasn't like it was when Obama won the south. Broward and Palm Beach was rigged. The early voting and online shit was manipulated. Hell the machines were supplied by a well known Democrat supporter. Trust me, Trump didn't lose the south
By #592419 01,Jul,21 07:34
If you look at the true pictures I doubt there is any with 100% accuracy. Cubans are hard workers. They come here to work.
First of all, sheriff Grady Judd is a certified badass. Secondly, you're wasting your time arguing with her. I've lived in Florida all my life. There's just as many rednecks in the Keys, Homestead, Hialeah, Doral, and West Kendall as anywhere else. Hell the biggest Trump supporters are from his hometown in West Palm Beach. The rich people with the big fancy houses and the big fancy boats. Doesn't everyone remember the Trump flags flying on every boat in South Florida. To say that you need to draw a line and divide the state in half makes absolutely no sense. You have the biggest population of rednecks living right here in Davie Florida. So when you take account the population there's more rednecks in South Florida than Central and North Florida.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 11:04
I agree with you too, Davie, Florida is as red neck as it can be. Hialeah is a “cuello rojo” and Doral belongs to the Colombians, the Brazilians, the Venezuelans, and all the other Central American immigrants. I, in case you didn’t know, I was born in the town of West Miami. It’s across SW 57thavenue to Coral Gables. My delivery was at Doctors Hospital in 1952. I graduated from Miami Coral Park. I lived all my youth and a good chunk of my adult life in South Florida. My Dad started to build our family home in 1949 when he moved from Connecticut after WWII. His house started about the same time as the incorporation of the city, and believe me, it was mostly red neck from the northern states.
My wanting (and it’s been proposed by local governments) to split the state is purely a tax or monetary one. If it’s our taxes collected then it should be spent in South Florida.
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] 30,Jun,21 11:25 other posts 
And you should know the term redneck just doesn't describe a white person. When I say there are as many rednecks down south, that's including the Cubans, Brazilians, and other gun toting, 4wheel drive, boat owning, mud slinging, atv riding, duck hunting folks. Because they are down south as much as white folk in Davie.
By #623135 30,Jun,21 11:36
I do. The locals call them “bólidos (Very commonly used Argentine slang for asshole in English or equivalent to pendejo in Mexican ) Not all red necks are bad. It has become a derogatory term, but, my Dad, a transplanted northerner described himself as a red neck, and with pride. You are smart enough to know what I mean.--------------------------------------- added after 12 minutesBTW, my daughter-in-law’s brothers, cousins and uncles spend the deer season in Georgia and also hunt wild pig. They are pickup driving, tabaco chewing CUBAN red necks and they own more firearms than the whole state of New Mexico. And they are good people.
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I hate autocorrect. The term above is BOLUDOS
By #623135 30,Jun,21 10:26
The Brooks Law Group has compiled the following about Polk County, Florida

Jokes aside, Polk County’s 2020 crime and traffic statistics have a lot to say. Here are 5 statistics that may help us better understand what we’re up against this year:

Violent Crime: Lakeland’s average is lower than the national average. For every 367 violent crimes per capita nationally, there are only 312 in Lakeland. However, Winter Haven has an average of 423—higher than the state and national averages
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Aggravated Assault: The rate in Lakeland is lower than the national average (163 per capita versus 250 nationwide). In Lake Wales, the average is higher at 272.
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Property Crime: Averages in Polk County are notably higher than the national average. The national average is 2,110 total property crimes per capita. The average in Auburndale is a staggering 4,287, compared to 2,547 in Winter Haven.

Burglary: The national average is 340 burglaries per capita. Averages in Lakeland, Winter Haven, and Auburndale are higher at 390, 409, and 606, respectively.

Motor Vehicle Accidents: Polk residents are more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident than the average Floridian or American. This has been the case for at least 20 years.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Jun,21 09:48 other posts 
I read that two children stole some guns and started shooting the police. The police shot one of them, 12 year old, and that made the other, 14 year old surrrender.


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The children didn't own or have training with assault weapons. This is irresponsibility from family, the state, etc. They all failed because they should have taught the children, from early age on, how to shoot guns, assault weapons, bazookas, etc. And also provide them with state-sponsored guns so that they have with them at all times. Familiarising and equipping them with guns would have prevented their anger. The children were clearly angry with society because everyone has guns except them. I think that the authorities there should act more responsibly and teach children, as soon as possible after birth, how to deal with essentials like guns.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,21 12:23 other posts 
I know you are being sarcastic but at the same time the kids are being taught use of weapons, they should also be taught respect for human life. All life for that matter. That would do alot to curb the problems at hand.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 08,Jun,21 13:04 other posts 
I'm not being sarcastic.
That's what I would try to
convince politicians to do
if I lived in any dangerous
country like US or Azerbaijan.
I know someone whose friend's son
(17 years old) shot him in Baku.
He was lucky. He survived.
"Good morning kids, Today I will teach you about the value of human life.
It's not nice to shoot your friends, with your AR-15, when they tease you.
You are only allowed to shoot people, when they try to steal your stuff.
Oh, and when we say we value human life, we are only talking about Americans.
We don't care about the poor kids mining our cobalt.
And actually, we don't really care about shooting black Americans, but be sure no one
is recording it, or some people will not believe it was a criminal.
That concludes our lesson for today.
Don't forget your guns."
By phart [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 18:32 other posts 
Good Morning Kids!
Today Ananas will teach you the value of human life. It is not nice to shoot your friends with your weapon of choice when they tease you.You should go to your doctor and ask for antidepressants that will alter your state of mind to a point their teasing will not bother you.DO NOT expect principle's or parents to do anything to stop the teasing. you are supposed to cope or medicate. Shooting the teaser is against the law of the land and is forbidden in the 10 commandments.So this is not to be done. BUT Doing anything to actually stop the teasing is against liberal logic.IF you solve problems,there is nothing to complain about.
You don't own anything, so if someone else wants something you have, you should hold the door for them to be able to carry it out easier and remind them of the rug at the bottom of the steps.

You see how silly that sounds as well?
Please use some common sense.

And to go on to explain 1 point.

When we say we value human life we are talking about everyone on earth. Rather they are mining cobalt to help reduce emissions at a young age or if they are murdering babies in a medical office.

Now to explain the point as you might,


A life is not legit until it leave the mother ,until then it is just a leach and a choice. Remember your mother chose to allow the leach to live.
Black people feel their lives are important, only if a person of another race is trying to take it. Murder and mayhem are a normal part of their daily routine. That routine includes burning the business you built using your hard earned education and every last dollar to the ground
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 20:15 other posts 
Yes that really sounds silly. Are you actually implying that kids need to protect themselves with guns against teasing?
Are you actually implying that it's impossible to have possession, unless you are protecting it with deadly force?

You're using a strawman. I would never allow abortion after the fetus is viable or even after it has developed a nervous system. For black people "Murder and mayhem are a normal part of their daily routine"? Really? And you think they shouldn't complain? Oh, off course, it's all their fault.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 21:26 other posts 
Hehehe, well we agree on abortion, that is good.
As for the black folk ,lifestyle choices dictate their lives as they do for everyone but they don't make good 1's.
The numbers don't lie,do some reading.

No,I am not implying kids should use deadly force. BUT have you noticed any adults offering alternatives? Have you noticed the video game industry the past 20 years?,
I was that kid in school that got bullied.Had to sit in class all day with dried raw egg all over my shirt more than once for example.
Talk to the princeable, "fight back was the response, I was a 50 pound 8th grader the seniors on the bus were wrestlers and used me for a punching bag.
Had I had access to a gun,I doubt I would be typeing this. not because I want to hurt others,but I was hurting then,BAD,I wanted it to stop, the way I was treated has had a effect on how I interact with people to this day. But yet,no alternatives were offered,still aren't today.But given credit where it is due,even a celeb "lady googa" or something to that effect,has made mention of bullying in schools being a problem.
As for possessions, No it is not impossible to have possessions without guns, IF people respected others property and left it the hell alone.And Or people were held accountable for stealing.
Remember the discussion me and 2warm had about looters in new york being turned loose and not held accountable? It ssems to be acceptable now to just let people steal.It should not be.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Jun,21 15:43 other posts 
Kids can be monsters to each other, I also know from first hand. I didn't have it that rough, but I was a little hot head when I was young, so it's good we don't have guns in The Netherlands. When I was bullied once, I went home, took the thickest bamboo fishing rod piece I had, went back and hit the bully until he was crying. Then I got away quick, before his two friends would get the idea to help him. That would have gone down a lot different if all kids are packing heat.

I've never been burgled, but I can imagine it would suck and I would wish death upon the burglar. However, my opinion is that the government is responsible for judgement and punishment, not the citizens. I'm not that positive about our system of law, because change of getting caught is way to low. Still, I do respect our police. Not because I was taught to, but simply from observing their work in person. I saw them doing their best under tough circumstances. Our cops put themselves in danger to de-escalate and apprehend a violent criminal unharmed. They treat everyone like a human being. They are able to do that, because, it's a lot safer being a cop in a country without guns. That also make it safer to be a citizen.

So not having guns here might make me unable to defend myself at some point. However, the chance I ever need to do that is far less likely, than if we all did have guns. My risk of getting killed by a neighbor with a nervous breakdown is far lower. My risk of accidentally shooting myself or being shot by playing kids is non-existent. Also, my chance for ruining my life, by killing someone on a whim, is far lower. On top of that, my risk of getting killed by the police is negligibly small.
I'm just safer than you are.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 27,Jun,21 19:39 other posts 
Of course you're safe in the Netherlands man.
The NL is 100% civilised. It doesn't have a third world part.
But he lives in the US. No comparison.
The US is a dangerous country. The police are trained to kill. One third of the US is really third world.
There's no social care, unlike the NL.
35% of Americans are backwards. They believe that the world is 5000 years old and take part in strange religions like evangelicanism and baptismivalism and mormonicism. All pretty arcane and scary. They go to churches with guns because they have too. People get in those strange churches and shoot from time to time. There's no difference between churches and shitty food places like Kentucky fried chicken, they both lure customers with big flashy neon light boards.

So, you're lucky you live in a safe and civilised country.
But be a little bit compassionate of those who live in the US and have to struggle to make ends meet and are afraid of their lives day and night. I feel sorry for them. But it's not their choice. They were born there, they were indoctrinated there, they've nowhere else to go.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 07:21 other posts 
🤫 I know, but I'm trying to convince THEM. Because of compassion.
It probably takes convincing 95% of Americans that they would be better off without guns, before their government chooses for democracy and the safety
of the citizens over the NRA money, but we can at least try.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 08:44 other posts 
I think this is IMPOSSIBLE.
They live in a dangerous society. They need guns.
Also, they're scared of their neighbours, rightly so,
because they have guns too.
See, for example, only registered users can see external links
And the police must have lots of guns too and they do the
right thing: they're trained to kill.
They have to, because every time they stop a car, say,
they're afraid that there driver might shoot them.

In a culture of fear and violence, guns are needed.

The only time that the gun culture will change in the US
is when it loses its world hegemony to China.
This will happen rather soon. Maybe in 50 years.
At that point, all the guns will be collected by the state,
and it'll be only the state that'll have guns.
The citizens will have none, and, if they violate the
Chinese restriction they'll be executed on the spot.
In fact, since there are millions and millions of guns
in private hands in the US, the Chinese state will build
a new army from those guns. It'll be called
The American People Army.

But before China trakes over there's not a chance in
a billion that American people will get rid of their
guns. And they're right.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 11:10 other posts 
You're probably right. However, I don't agree on your assessment of China. They have shown an ability and willingness to change for the better, that far exceeds the ability and willingness to change of the USA. So I don't think China will be the oppressive world conquer you imagine.
I don't imagine China will be a democracy in 50 years, but they might show there is some truth to their claims that their system is superior, because a democracy is dependent on well informed, rational and compassionate citizens.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 16:58 other posts 
Maybe you're right.
However, according to your last sentence,
the US doesn't fit your definition
because well-informed, rational and compassionate citizens
(all characteristics combined)
constitutes a very small fraction of the population.
There are, therefore, 2 possibilities, mutually exclusive I think:
Either your definition is wrong
Or the US isn't a democracy.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 09:03 other posts 
It's still possible to have a democracy by definition (see below) with only ignorant, illogical, immoral people, the outcomes for society are just atrocious.
Apart from that, with just two parties, both serving their donors and 80 million people who just gave up on voting, the US can hardly be called a democracy.

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By leopoldij [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 09:09 other posts 
That's the lexicon's definition of democracy. But, in reality, if it's money that decides who the winner is then that's not democracy. Most voters don't have the money required to fund a politician. Only a few do. So, essentially, it's those few who control the winner. It's an oligocharchy then, at best.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,21 09:15 other posts 
Exactly!


By leopoldij [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 22:52 other posts 
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54,000 incidents per year is 150 per day
Of those 150, we get 40 deaths. Per day.
The solution clearly is: get more guns.
If the bad guys sense these you have guns,
they'll remain good for longer.
Guns save lives by causing bad guys behave
like good guys out of fear.
Fear makes a bad person good.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 22:46 other posts 
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The real war is much less dangerous than the daily internal war. Now I understand why so many k1ds want to become soldiers. Because they're less likely to die from shooting in the war than if they stay home.
The soliton? Get more guns at home.
The army has lots of guns. They clearly don't need them that much. They should give them to citizens in the US, in Detroit, in Florida, in Colorado, in Las Vegas, etc. Guns should be given where they're needed. Not carried abroad.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 28,Jun,21 22:36 other posts 
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40 to 50 people per day killed in the US by guns, not including wars. That's 50 times more than, say, Germany, where people don'y shoot much.
The only solution for the US is for people go get more guns. In fact, the state should have a Gun Social Programme whereby each US citizen should be given a free gun upon birth. This will reduce the killings.
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By leopoldij [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 11:56 other posts 
Here's another incident that proves that guns are needed.
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They threaten a neighbor, bad guy, to go away or else they'll shoot him. They warn him again and again. The bad guy neighbor doesn't listen. They point their guns and do the right thing: they kill the bad neighbor. Only after he's dead his wife starts crying. Yeah, cry baby, where's your gun? Neither the dead husband nor the cry baby wife had a gun. If they did, they could have shot first and the matter would have been solved.

My American friends tell me that when your neighbors have guns they must have guns too. Their neighbors do have guns. So they bought many guns too. But they also tell me that it's not enough to own the guns. You must be carrying them with you. You must be ready all the time. One of my friends was a soldier in a bad country so he knows how to kill bad guys and has killed a few. He's now running a mini school for his family and very close friends and teaches them how to properly use guns to shoot. He says that the most important thing is to identify whether your enemy is a bad guy or a good guy. Turn things are simple. If he's bad you shoot him, if he's good you don't.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 26,Jun,21 11:38 other posts 
Someone in the US killed a policeman.
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Someone else, a good guy, pulled his gun and killed the bad guy.
A policeman arrived, shot the good guy and killed him.
Unfortunately, nobody else seemed to have a gun on him and so they didn't kill the bad policeman who killed the good guy who killed the bad guy.

My American friends are telling me, and they're right, that they need to have more guns, not only to protect themselves, but also to deliver justice on the spot and kill a bad guy who kills a good guy who kills a bad guy who kills a good guy who kills a bad guy. When people live in dangerous countries they must be carrying weapons to ensure justice and democracy.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 30,May,21 10:25 other posts 
There's a real war going on in the US. I understand why people need to be armed to teeth to defend themselves from law-abiding citizens who flip out and, suddenly, turn into non-law-abiding and kill others (killing is against the law).

The killer in San Jose a few days ago had 25 thousand rounds of ammunition and many many weapons: only registered users can see external links

And yesterday,
someone else in Florida killed, but not too many, just a
people, and injured 20 others: only registered users can see external links

More people are killed by killers on the streets than soldiers in battles. The prime must have guns. Maybe the president can take some arms from the soldiers, who don't need them too much, and give them to citizens in urban areas where the real killings happen. It's a difficult problem that, without guns, cannot be solved.
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I'm sorry, it wasn't a single person in Florida, it was three:

Three people climbed out of a white car with assault rifles and handguns and started firing indiscriminately into the crowd.

Well, then people should have guns and always be ready to form mini armies so that, as soon as a mini army of three or more killers shows, people should organise themselves on groups and fire back immediately. It's a war, but the war cannot be won without further guns for law-abiding, god-fearing, hard-working people.
By phart [Ignore] 31,May,21 20:37 other posts 
Well for the sake of discussion.
Had you been in the crowd in florida, what would YOU do?
Crawl under a table? Run and hide? stand and draw fire away from children? If a person beside you pulled a 45 and started to fire back protecting themselves and you, would you stop them?
To make any positive improvements in either direction,we need to understand the way people across the board think.
You could not just stand up and walk over to those folks and offer them a Coke and a moon pie and say, "hey chill dude bullets are expensive". You would probably die.
Singing Kumbaya and drinking wine would be nice but it won't happen until you fix those peoples brains that want to harm and kill.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 04:37 other posts 
Had I been in Florida in the first place, I would have arranged to go to gun training first. I wouldn't go live in Florida, or any other of those dangerous places in the US, full of non-law-abiding people. Since I've never touched a gun in my life, I would need some kind of training. Having done that, I'd go to Florida with guns that I'd carry with me at all times and be ready to protect myself and my family. Of course I wouldn't sit there and sing kumbaya if I saw these non-law-abiding villains get out of the car and start shooting. I'd pull my guns and start shooting them too. I'd have to injure or kill them before they kill me and my family. I would not offer them coke or talk to them, you're joking, right? I'd shoot them immediately.
By #623135 01,Jun,21 08:12
Leo, I was born and raised in Florida. Miami to be exact. I live in Miami-Dade County (Miami) now. In my 69 years of my life, I have never had to confront anyone holding a gun pointing in my general direction. The population count of the county is 2.7 million people. If you add to that the number of tourists ( 15M to 23M) you’ll see that we have a plethora of people. We have gun violence and we all wish it wouldn’t happen, we are no worse and a lot better than other areas of the country (Ex: Chicago).
NEVER-THE-LESS GUN SHOULD BE OUTLAWED. I know Phart and like minded people think you need them for PROTECTION. That is a fallacy.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 10:31 other posts 
I hear you. But there are millions of scared people in the US. They need their guns and their bibles. You can't change their minds.
By #275407 01,Jun,21 11:18
Florida is not a bad place, you go to any hoodlum area and the crime is 300% more, all you hear is about the crime in the low income areas. Like any low income area in the u.s.a. You don't need a gun unless your going there to buy drugs or shoot someone for taking your parking space. Don't say how bad Florida is when your not a resident because you don't know what a really nice place it is to live, theirs three million people living here in broward and dade county, so crime is more then the farm area you live in where all that's happening are kids throwing rocks at cars. So Leo, if you can't handle living in the city without a gun, stay on the farm with your chickens and cows. I own about thirty guns and they never leave my bedroom. Only the aggressive person starts any trouble here, 95% of Florida is a good place to raise a family. I live in a community in s. Fl. Where the police sleep half the day because there's so little crime.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 12:03 other posts 
I didn't say anything about Florida. The guy above said it's bad and I replied that, if it is so, then you need guns. After all the wars that are going on in the US every day, I said that I'd never go there without dozens of guns. And, seeing how dangerous the US is, I agree with them and you that everyone there should be armed to teeth, as you are. That's good. You need to do that, it's necessary in a violent country. People live in fear, that's why they have guns. Good luck to you and others.
By #275407 01,Jun,21 12:06
Yes you did, reread your posts how you said you would never live in Florida. How you would go get a gun and take lessens, remember,
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People like you are the people we don't need in fl.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 12:08 other posts 
One needs guns in the US. I get it.
By #275407 01,Jun,21 12:11
Most people don't need guns in fl, only if your looking for trouble
By leopoldij [Ignore] 01,Jun,21 12:11 other posts 
I would never go to a country as dangerous as Syria, South Africa, the US, or as intolerant as Saudi Arabia. Horrible.


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