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Started by #559941 [Ignore] at 21,Jul,18 00:24
Donald Trump won fair and square 2 years ago and dumb-asses can't get over the election? lol

When Fox News Posted that at 2AM on November 9th 2016 it wasn't fake news...

Donald Trump won November 8th 2016. Hillary will not be president ! She has more chances to go to jail than the White house....

It's over ! get over it..

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By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 19,Feb,20 17:46 other posts 


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THE DAY DEMOCRACY DIED

A long long time ago
A Tuesday in November
When that sinking feeling laid us low
And we knew if he had his way
That we’d all live to curse the day
When decency received a fatal blow

His bankruptcies got no attention
Pussy-grabbing — barely mentioned
Promising a great wall
He swore to make tax rates fall


I still remember how I tried
To have sympathy for his third bride

But something rumbled deep inside
The day democracy died
, but...

No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy

Is Putin the one to blame

‘Cause we all know it was not Ukraine
Who lost it by three million strong
And do you believe the shit he says
Repeated by Fox talking heads
We’re quite amazed they fell for such a con


All the red hats at his rallies cheer
But there must be something in the beer
‘Cause if they had a brain
Then they’d know this man’s insane


He was a loser bullied by his Dad

Kept bailing out his debts gone bad
He craved the love he never had

The day democracy died,
so now we’re singin’

No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy

Every four years we all make a choice
And try to unite our divided voice

I guess that’s how it’s always been
Now we find ourselves in this crazy state

In a war to vote for love or hate
And we can’t ever let the darkness win


Oh, dictatorship was not our thing
But electors picked a tyrant king

Impeaches sure taste sweet
Oh but now that’s all history


‘Cause when Moscow Mitch gets on the case
Then honor’s gone without a trace
And we all prayed they’d be replaced
Before democracy dies,
now we’re singin’

No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy

Face it, face it, he’s just a racist
And “white” is what he means by “greatest”
Rich and white is better, yes
A mobster with a crooked past
Who laundered condos for autocrats
But he can’t outrun the bloodhounds on his tracks


‘Cause the time keeps ticking like a fuse
Fifty-two percent are not amused
Too many to suppress
Who want a White House repossessed


Yeah, we know that right is on our side
And soon we’ll look back full of pride
Together we can reverse the tide
Before democracy dies
, now we’re singin’

No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy

Oh, and when we’re alone in that booth

All generations, age and youth
The time has come to pick the one
So come on, search your heart and search your soul
Don’t flush our planet down a hole
For an orange ass who’s blotting out the sun


Oh, and as I watch him on a stage

His lips — they twist in fits of rage

Playing the victim well
He casts his creepy spell


And as conspiracies on Facebook flow
We flip the page and just say no
Because only sheep would watch that show

And let democracy die
, we’re all singin’

No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy

I met a girl who chose him once
Now she regrets she played the dunce
And she’s a leading activist

I went down to the polling place
Saw lines for miles, all happy-faced

And the crowd there knows who they’re not gonna pick


And on the screens the pundits shriek
A slanted poll, an angry tweet
Hackers interfering
It’s too late for a hearing


Good thing you and I and all our friends
Now realize our life depends

On making sure this madness ends
Before democracy dies
, yeah we’re all singin’


No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy

Vote for anyone but this guy,

we’re all singin’

No, don’t let democracy die

He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye

Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
By phart [Ignore] at 19,Feb,20 19:24 other posts 
So what kind of song are you going to sing about BloomingidiotBurg trying to buy his way into the race?
He is suddenly Honest Abe? He somehow became worth BILLIONS of dollars without any foul play? Um. I don't know alot about him.I just know I am already sick of the pics of him hovering around Obammas ass like a fly. Gun control freak,thinks you should ban a large drink.Although any dumbass knows you can refill a medium size? DUH.He is on tv taking credit for things related to 911.He was not mayor until AFTER that happened.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 19,Feb,20 19:32 other posts 
Why, Phart, he's not even president and you want me to sing about him? What's wrong with buying the election? Trump cheated to get his election. If you are sick now think how I feel about having to see that BOZO that's there now.
By phart [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 09:46 other posts 
well you can do the same thing I do,turn off the boob tube. I don't have to see our President to know he is doing ok,I can look around all the folkes living a better life then they were 4 years ago.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 10:10 other posts 
You really think that? How can you tell? Do they have a new car? Paid off their mortgage? The whole family, including the kids find jobs at McDonald's? They get to go to Taco Bell once a week?
And the most important question. No matter how happy you are with the economy, perhaps other things, deep down, Is all of it worth the suffering this country and people are going through because of the style of governing by this president?
By phart [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 16:36 other posts 
eh,no jobs at micky D's. Good paying jobs like manufactors of fiber optic cable,military grade metals,and etc.
New roofs they had been putting off for years.New trucks, kids going to college,yep,things do look better around these parts.I have yet to see any suffering?

And I think even the democrats are scared of BloomingidiotBurg.From what I am reading here on the web,the canidates really chewed him up good last night.
When a socialist, and a grouchy old woman, a tiny town mayor and a grey haired old ex vice president are all scared of the billionaire at the stand, It is time to pay attention to what happens next.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 17:25 other posts 
After what the media has been saying about him, I don't like him either.
By overeight [Ignore] at 29,Feb,20 12:09 other posts 
Well today reports came out that 6 weeks ago Trump requested 2.5 billion in funding for fighting the coronovirus but the house was to busy trying to get Trump out of office to pay it any attention until this week. Trump also place certain travel restrictions in place to and from China but the news just reported this as Trump being racist and as a distraction from impeachment. Now democrats want to blame Trump that they didn't approve the funding he requested weeks ahead of this pandemic spreading. So I suppose its Trumps fault that the house didn't vote,maybe he should have had a temper tantrum as Nancy would call it or possibly should have made more of a "distraction from impeachment" to get them to vote on the funding he requested a month and half ago.
By overeight [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 20:08 other posts 
And just how did he cheat? Didn't you hear Mueller report. NO AMERICAN COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA. I guess you missed that $38 million dollar result huh. No collusion. But Hillary did cheat,she got the DOJ to command the FBI to wire tap the Trump campaign with a false report that George Soros paid GPS fusion for from a British intelligence officer ( oh by the way its illegal to use foreign intelligence in an election) and your never has done anything wrong walk on water president Obama knew about it being a fake and from a foreign country but took I to the FISA court and got a warrant to wire tap a presidential candidate.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 20:44 other posts 
dict on Robert Mueller’s Congress performance
US President Donald Trump's claim that he was "totally exonerated" by special counsel Robert Mueller was rejected by Mr Mueller in a hearing on Wednesday.

Mr Mueller said he had not exonerated Mr Trump of obstruction of justice.

The former FBI director spent two years probing alleged collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia, but did not establish collusion in a crime.

He concluded that Russia had interfered in the election with the intention of benefitting Mr Trump's campaign.

I'm not even going to post the link to this. Muller did an investigation. Half was true, half was false
I really don't care. And what's wrong with you? We are on the fourth year of Trumpo's presidency and you still bring up Obama and Hilary? Your man can't stand on his own? You are a fool and everyone else like you is too. You are still fighting the 2016 election. Well, he won and he got himself impeached.
By SrCums [Ignore] at 26,Apr,20 09:45 other posts 

HOW CAN YOU OBSTRUCT JUSTICE IF YOU HADN'T COMMITTED ANY CRIME...
lIBERALS ONLY SHIT ON THE FLOOR ANYWAY.. WHAT ARE THEY GOOD FOR AND NAME ONE THING IN 225 YEARS OF THEIR EXISTENCE OF HATE THAT THEY DID GOOD FOR AMERICA..
By overeight [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 22:57 other posts 
Well Phart I just read an article in Capital research center that Botigieg paid Shadow inc. Off to screw the pooch in Iowa so he could declare he was winner so that he could get a surge in funding. He paid them to screw up the results. The company PAcronym. He needed a boost in funding and after he declared he was the winner of the Iowa caucuses he got donations galore. Turns out his campaign was nearly broke until Iowa. Elizabeth Warren is overspending on private jet to shuffle her around. And millionaire with three mansions Bernie was exposed that he is one of the wealthiest congress members by Bloomberg. So that leaves Uncle Joe who is part of the corruption in the Ukraine. And now they are all ditching out the dirt on each other left and right. Its hilarious how they all told on each other in the debate and now the ones who still have seats in Washington nigh lose them after all the dirt came out. To bad democrats are just too pissed off to actually debate anything about policies or issues right now its more about who is the dirtiest and who has done the worst things. Trump doesn't have to do anything but talk about issues when he debates whoever is voted as the least nasty liar out of the pack. I hope they have a debate now on every cable network,one a week would be great we could all find out just how dirty all of them are. And just how bad they lie. They claim Trumps the biggest liar in history. Last night each one of the democrats onstage have started a counter.Elizabeth Warren has the lead. So far she has been caught in 46 lies and that doesn't even count her claims she was an "American Indian" back in college. Hahaha
By overeight [Ignore] at 23,Feb,20 10:47 other posts 
Now this morning democrats all claim Russia is now trying to help Bernie win. Keep on truck in Soros. He also put a 1 million dollar reward out on Geoff Beck to have him taken out. Beck is a radio host who is independent and not party affiliated at all. He however has exposed the Soros control over media and 8 different ploys by Soros to lead democrats and control the vote and who is elected. Also the former director of homeland security who blew whistle on Obama Islamic agenda and his cash payments of millions to Iran was found shot dead in California yesterday in Pelosi district. He was not only exposed by democrats but also illegally fired by Obama after blowing the whistle on the cash payments to Iran.
By overeight [Ignore] at 24,Feb,20 18:05 other posts 
Well Phart looks like they are finally going after democrats and Obama admin. For lies to FISA court to get warrant to spy on Trump campaign. FBI uncovered that the AG under Obama lied on the application for the warrant. Now they are looking deeper into the Steele Dossier and irs origin and where it originated. Since they let Carter Page go without any charges he is now been approved to sue the democrats for millions. The lies on the application as it turns out are about collusion between Trump and the Russians. The democrats have tried to keep it quiet that Carter Page was clears of all charges and that he did not have any ties to Russians. He was clears 3 years ago but democrats have been referring to him as the known connection between Trump and Russia and are still claiming that there was collusion. Page finally got approval to be able to sue the DNC,Obama DOJ,and Hillary Clinton for setting him up and lieing on Fisa Court paperwork so they could spy on Trump campaign. The investigation has been in the hands of the FBI nut now will also need CIA agents because most of the information is from outside the US.
By overeight [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 19:56 other posts 
Reported by American Wire publications Last nights debate scores Elizabeth Warren a super pac support. She agreed to accept donations from Persist Pac a communist super pac formed by socialist and communist activist. She also complained today on 6 media outlets that she is being shut down by misogynistic men and shut out of the media to silence her. Hahaha 6 media outlets in one day means your being shut out of the media by misogynist men huh? Go bitch elsewhere Pocahontas. Who said ill never take a super pac money. Hahaha
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 20,Feb,20 19:58 other posts 
Putin backing Trump.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 05:55 other posts 
I see you claiming everyone is working at fast food places and no good jobs. I know of some good paying job they can all get. Free training and the will get paid while training. You sure do worry about them fast food people. So ask them if they want a better paying jobs. I got a new car last year. Just for fun I got one of those robot vacuum cleaners. You see them yet. This little robot drives around the house and vacuum the floor. Then it go back to recharge. Do you think most people in the world have enough money to get one ?

I got some home automation stuff people can buy for home. A thermostat and some internet connect speakers and lights. I can turn lights on just by talking or change the thermostat temp. Now I just have the lights set to come on automatically at sunset. If I have to pay for someone else college education I would not have these thing.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 07:14 other posts 
Great. Tell us about this good paying job with on the job paid training. What's the name? Hey, every one will get a new car, a Rumba, Alexa, and appliances. Great, really great. Er, how do I get a quarter pounder at Mickey D's now?
Do you know the guy you'll be paying for the college tuition? Will you send him a monthly check or make direct payments to the college?
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 09:52 other posts 
You can't say their are no good paying jobs and everyone working fast food is stuck in the job. Then if they get a better job now nobody will be making the hamburgers. Not everyone will want to do the job. Because not everyone working fast food are victims of Trump or the economy. They choose not to move on for some reason.

I'll tell you about the job because I bet most people won't do it. They will choose the fast food job because is more easy and less hours. The job is Truck Driver. They have free training and will pay them during training. You will work 70 hours a week and live and sleep on the job. You will work 3-6 weeks. It pays lots more then fast food. Most people won't do the job. Training for the job pays more then fast food job.

So you should tell them to get out of that fast food job. I can tell you of some companies that need driver and will train then if they are really interested. Here the thing. It Friday morning, do you think I'll be home this weekend or working ?? I don't know myself. That how the job works and why I get paid lots more then fast food. They will pay ME not to work. If they don't get me home. I get paid regular pay, plus I get $100 extra not to work on Sunday. They are going to pay me $100 not to work. They need more drivers are willing to pay. Let see who want out of that fast food job.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 11:58 other posts 
I didn't say that, but, lets do some research because I've got several long distance driver friends. Truck driving had gotten really lucrative. The reason was that there was a shortage of drivers. People did not want to drive a rig for 16 hrs or more( yeah, I know about the daily time limit and how log books are altered), be away from home for days, and work weekends and holidays. Those that accepted the work made good money. After some drive time they were able to clear between $50k and $70k. All well and good, but, Mr Trump came along.

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Truckers voted for Trump in droves. Now they say his trade war is 'killing' their ability to make a living.

Morris Coffman has been a truck driver for 35 years. And he's been a conservative for even longer than that — his whole life.

"That said," Coffman told Business Insider, "[Trump] is absolutely a moron. His idiotic ideas will tank the economy even further."

Truckers, like Coffman, lean conservative. A Verdant Labs analysis of Federal Elections Commission data found that nearly three-quarters of truck drivers are Republican — one of the most conservative jobs in America, along with surgeons and farmers.

But a sharp downturn in the trucking industry and a slew of tax changes have hampered their ability to make a living. And many connect those two trends to Trump's economic policies.

Trump's tax reworking in 2017 led to many truck drivers having to pay hundreds in taxes this year, thanks to a change in per-diem laws. Dennis Bridges, an accountant who specializes in doing taxes for truckers, told Mother Jones in April that 75% of his clients saw an unusually large tax payment, and about 20% had to fork over more than $5,000.

That might've been bearable in 2018, when trucking capacity was tight, the industry was raking in cash, and truckers saw their pay jump. But now the trucking "bloodbath," as Coffman and other truckers describe current transportation conditions, has meant low rates and low pay for truckers. Trucking has been in a recession since late 2018.

NOW, I CAN SEE YOU SAYING, "FAKE NEWS" BUT THERE'S ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE SAYING SO. AND, MORE IMPORTANT, MANY LARGE TRUCKING COMPANIES GOING BANKRUPT OR OUT OF BUSINESS. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IF YOU ARE HAPPY, MORE POWER TO YOU. IF OTHERS PREFER TO STAY BURGER FLIPPERS, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. BUT THINK ABOUT THIS. THE GREAT MAJORITY OF FAST FOOD EMPLOYEES ARE STUDENTS AND SINGLE MOTHERS. THIS LAST GROUP WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME BEING AWAY FOR DAYS AT A TIME WHILE HER KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL AND A CAREGIVER
By phart [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 12:45 other posts 
shortage of drivers because not enough people can pass the damn drug test.
Much as I dispise railroad workers attitudes, that is a good line of work to.pays well.and no real hard work.
Sometimes the hourly wage is not what people should look at.
A lower hourly wage,say 12 instead of 16,would turn most folks to the 16.But then, the 12 dollar a hour person has paid vacation and sick leave and insurance.All that the 16 per hour person has to pay more for out of pocket or does not have.
If I were coming out of high school right now, I would probably head for the oil industry out west.Putting in pipeines or drilling. Hard work but pays well.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 12:50 other posts 
So true, baby.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 16:47 other posts 
The Trump tax law change that most driver complain about was the Per Diem change. Now O/O could still claim it. Company drive can still get it if the trucking company pays it. All they have to do is a little different in payroll and driver still gets it. Most driver did not understand it, even trucking companies. So a good company today will pay Per Diem. They don't actually pay it. They just take it off your payroll so it not taxed money. Then they add it back at Per Diem tax free money. They have to have little program to count the days driver get Per Diem. So drivers that did not understand how it works all claimed they were paying more taxes. Some probably did pay more. Hopefully by now they understand how the Trump taxes change and work for a company that pays Per Diem.

O/O get to claim Per Diem and they get a new 20% pass thru tax off the top or something like that. I would have look that one back up. The rates for trucking was the best in like 50 year for 2017 and 2018. So they have to go down back to normal rates.

I'm making some of the best money ever in trucking. I got pay raise, the trucking company is looking to expand the fleet even today they want more drivers. I have made more money every year for the last 3 years. So the idea the Trump is killing trucking it not true. I did not get $5,000 tax increase

You are correct someone with kids would probably not want to drive a truck. That's their choice. Someone flipping burgers, may not want to drive a truck. It's their choice, but they are not stuck in a fast food job. They can't blame Trump for that. They should not claim we now have pay for their health insurance because they flip burgers. How about they get a better job that pays better just like me ? People should be able to tell us how much national heath care will cost. If it's close to what I'm paying now for heath insurance maybe we can do this. But if its a crazy number because we are going to insure everyone and people want to keep flipping burgers without heath insurance. Then I'm not paying for them or voting for someone who keep say claiming it's not big tax increase. They are talking like 2 or 3 Trillion a year tax increase. If your flipping burgers at minimum wage it not a problem. If your making ok money driving a truck that can get expensive.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 17:58 other posts 
Let's start with the basic problem. A woman (it can be a man too) who graduates from high school and comes from a low income family usually is expected to get work. The choices for her are, clerical, retail or hospitality. In all three they start at the bottom at minimal wage. As women, they usually don't think construction, professional driver, welder, auto mechanic any more than a man thinkind hair dresser, nail tech, nurse, or care giver. Social mores prevent that. Some few individuals break through that barrier, but very few. So, getting back to these people, once they are in the rat race, it becomes almost impossible to change course. Imagine you, working paycheck to paycheck, taking six weeks to get your CDL licence. Or 18 months to become a nurse. Usually, once they are in that life, they are there for life. But, being human beings with human desires, they fall in love, get married and have kids. The pregnancies are hard both medically(they have to work till the last possible munite) and financially. Having a child is very expensive, even with health insurance. But, they muddle through, but the strain is much. Arguments start. He walks out and even if he tries to help, he can't support himself and give money to his ex. What is she supposed to do? Give the kids up for adoption? She applies for food stamps, free school lunches, medicaid, anything that will give her some help.
Ok, granted, you are not to blame personally, but, in a general way, you are. Did you know that most of these people can not afford the insurance the employer offers? But, the minute they get medicade and they are in the Wick program, they get it for free. It's not as flexible as private insurance, but, guess what? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT.
My question is, "Why not fix Obama-Care or get something similar and provide this for everyone. The ones that can afford to pay a monthly premiunm does and the ones that can't don't.
By phart [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 21:21 other posts 
Ocare needs fixing BAD
Question is,where do you draw the lines on who can afford premiums and who can't? Think about this.a fellow making 12 bucks a hour and gets insurance is told he will no longer get the company insurance. Ooops,suddenly, he has to go to Ocare, It turns out to be expsensive but,with his income he gets a break and it is free!. Well the 16 dollar a hour guy down the street suddenly has to pay 400 a month! He would be tempted to take a pay CUT to get the free insurance would he not?
if 10 people need insurance,and 5 are paying x amount of dollars for all 10,would it not be fair to divide it all up evenly? All 10 pay the same?
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 21:46 other posts 
Don't you think that would be a personal choice? Right now, to get food stamps or medicaid, you submit your monthly expenses and your income. The amount of help is calculated on a sliding scale taking into account the local cost of living. Electricity and other utilities, medical/meds costs,and transportation for work are accepted expenses. In other words, goings out to dinner doesn't count. It's a fair way and insurance could be the same way. You keep trying to say it would be fair for some and not others. You are, at all cost, insinuating that most people will cheat the system and you will be left holding the bag. My Dad taught me to believe in people. To give to people in need without expecting a thanks or anything in return. To believe in the honesty of people. It's served me well throughout mylife.
By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 08:35 other posts 
Most people sorda fit the trustworthy catogory but as you should know,it only takes a few to screw things up.
By overeight [Ignore] at 21,Feb,20 23:42 other posts 
Yeah Phart I've seen lots of roofs go on old empty houses being flipped I've flipped four myself. The plant here can't hire enough people have 60 available positions listed help wanted signs in every store. The nursery has 30 positions open. Construction going on all over additions,roofs,remodels,new cars. Can't keep up with the Jeep place. They can't keep jeeps on the lot. Go by in the morning come back that afternoon five are sold. Chevy place if you see something on the lot you want better pull in or it might be gone the next day. Grocery stores have help needed signs up. Department stores too. WalMart parking lot you have to park out by the highway and walk to get to the store because the place is full. People buying tvs,microwaves,electronics,intapots,clothes,watches. Guys aren't standing on the corners all night and day. I live near a car wash and it stays full with people washing and cleaning those new cars trucks and jeeps. The owner told me business is up 300%. Convenient stores guy near me said he has made more money since Trump took office than he made the last 20 years there. And he is middle eastern. People are buying houses around here faster than they can be flipped.5 empty houses in my neighborhood have sold. A few blocks away 3 more. Realtor says they sell couple of houses a week here. Farms are hiring on average 6 people a week. Things are booming. Only places that sells are slow is the used car lots most folks are buying new so used sales are down. Three commercial buildings have sold for new businesses moving in expecting to employ 30-40 people each. Marijuana plant just built 5 new buildings and bought 3. A new laundry mat being built. Furniture store making record sales for its history here. 3 new businesses planning to come in and hire 150 people and pay $18 an hour. Marijuana plants are paying $12-$16 an hour. Lots of growth.
By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 08:37 other posts 
Yea in a nearby town I know of about 8 empty houses that were in a 2 block area,all bought and being fixed as I type.
There is money coming from somewhere,and it was NOT there before Trump came along as things were falling down.
I am hopeing the cost of a used Dodge Magnum with 5.7 hemi and all wheel drive comes down to a point I can get 1 in about 4 more years.
By overeight [Ignore] at 23,Feb,20 10:38 other posts 
Former director of homeland security who blew whistle on Obama Islamic agenda and cash payments to Iran found shot dead in California in Pelosi district yesterday.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 08:55 other posts 
It's undeniable. The Florida Panhandle are is going through a boom that started in 2017. Large developers are investing large amounts of money to turn around a moribund economy. This boom is trickling down to the work force. Overeight, congratulations. I believe you said you lived in that area? This is good. What I don't believe and what many economists assert is that Trump is not responsible for this. You may wish to deny this and vote for Trump in the 2020 elections (that's your right), however, the economy is not the only issue to address with a new administration. Even if he makes every person in America rich, he's still a sexual pervert, a wife cheater, an obstructionist, a liar, and a cheat. Not for me. I rather be poor.
By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 09:56 other posts 
And Kennedy didn't disappear for hours at the time in his personal Lincoln convertiable leaving the secret service scrambling tryin to find him as he was off fucking someone besides his wife? I saw his car in the mueseum,and got the story on it.It was sitting beside Bill Clintons Mustang.Both similar color of blue. Bill was getting a blow job in the white house as folks waited for him to attend important meetings. several of the eary presidents owned slaves,like Thomas Jefferson.
I could go on for hours if I did some research because there has NEVER been a saint in the White house.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 10:12 other posts 
But, Phart, under your reasoning A serial murderer should be forgiven because Bundy and Gacy did it too. Why would I be concerned about the Kennedy brothers, Big Willie Clinton, or whomever. Why should I care if Washington, Adams, and Jefferson owned slaves? I live in the present and worry about the FUTURE. Yes, you could go on for hours, but, what would it solve? Instead of wasting your breath, tell me why I should ignore what this PRESENT president is guilty off? Come on. You guys are always bringing examples of bad behavior by others. Excuse HIS BAD BEHAVIOR on his merit. Why is it ok for him to grab women's pussies without asking permission? Why was it ok for him to cheat on his pregnant wife with a porn star? Why was it ok to pay off the same porn star to stay quiet on the eve of the 2016 election? Why did he do a Quid-pro-Quo with a foreign government? Why does he feel it's ok to lie so much no one believes him anymore? Why did he do everything he could to stop his impeachment trial to be a fair one? I'm waiting on your response, not on the Kennedys, not on Big Willie. On Trump.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 12:47 other posts 
Your personal opinion is just that. You act like your personal opinion is somehow special. If you don't like Trump don't vote for him. They did not remove Trump from office because they did not have enough proof. So why not stop complaining about that. Like YOU said stop living in the past the impeachment stuff failed. So now move on.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 15:55 other posts 
No. They did not remove him from office because the trial was a sham. And everything I listed is true, not an opinion. I'm not voting for him. I'd rather cut my hand off with a dull knife. My personal opinion is given when I can't prove something, but it's just as valid as yours or anyone else's. And you shouldn't talk as you spout lots of Trumpo's accomplishments without a lick of proof.
By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 14:14 other posts 
Just as it is not "OK" to ignore the good he has done.
So suddenly,just because you don't like this particular President,we should expect different behavior from him as opposed to previous 1's? You have ignored Fast and Furious,Bengazzi,and etc but suddenly,now that a pres is in there you don't like,the standards should change? Um, strange,where have you lived your whole life? where was all these morals about cheating on wives when Clinton did it? ETC.
It all goes back to the double standard thing.As long as it is a democrat doing it is ok, but let the conservitive do it,and it is WRONG.Bull shit,just plain bull shit.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 16:35 other posts 
First, you don't know what my reaction was to those past events so don't place me were you don't know anything about. I'm going to ask you AGAIN. If you have any BALLS left, perhaps, just perhaps, you can be honest and answer these.

You guys are always bringing examples of bad behavior by others. Excuse HIS BAD BEHAVIOR on his merit. Why is it ok for him to grab women's pussies without asking permission? Why was it ok for him to cheat on his pregnant wife with a porn star? Why was it ok to pay off the same porn star to stay quiet on the eve of the 2016 election? Why did he do a Quid-pro-Quo with a foreign government? Why does he feel it's ok to lie so much no one believes him anymore? Why did he do everything he could to stop his impeachment trial to be a fair one? I'm waiting on your response, not on the Kennedys, not on Big Willie. On Trump.--------------------------------------- added after 5 minutesNO MATTER IF THE LAST 44 PRESIDENTS ACTED BADLY. WE ARE NOT ON THEIR DIME. WE ARE ON TRUMP TIME NOW. GROW SOME COJONES, BOTH OF YOU. STOP ATTACKING MY OPINIONS. STOP TELLING EVERYONE THAT JOHNNY DID IT TOO. STOP TELLING ME THAT IT'S OK BECAUSE YOUR POCKETS ARE BETTER OFF. JUST ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS,,,,,,,W I T H-------- F U C K I N G------- P R O O F.
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By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 18:01 other posts 
I answered the fucking question.
You ask why is it ok this and that and I told you. The others set a presedent and to expect Trump or anyone else to suddenly do different is a double standard.
The pussys he grabbed were of women putting themselves on the "casting couch" for fame and fortune,they only suddenly gave a damn when they thought they could cause damage.Had Trump never ran for President,we would have never known or remembered it.
Who says he cheated on his wife? That has been porn star he gave some money to sign a contract to shut up and get out of his hair? What crediablity has she got? Or did you miss it last week on the news about her former lawyer that represented her getting in Big trouble for trying to goug Nike out of a bunch of money? So if she hired or fucked that snake to get him to work for her,that sheds a light on how crediable her words are.Also considering she made good money off her Make America horny again tour or whatever it was. Why do we need to send money and weapons to a corrupt country without some questions answered? If he did quid pro quo,it was in the best interest of the tax payer.
Why did he get involved in his impeachment? He didn't want his staff being drug thru the mud like he was.So he Ordered them to stay out of it. IF they got drug thru the mud it was becaus they disobeyed orders.
I have balls, if I didn't I would be like some of the other assholes that just call you names and or ignore you.
I honestly don't know what kind of a answer you are looking for. You should be able to add things up,figure things out,I mean you are using a computer,you obviously know how to google, use those skills to LEARN another side of the story besides the fantasy island you live on.

Oh wait, "De plane,De plain!"

You know,straight up,I am begining to think Maby,now I am saying Maby, YOU may be part of the interference into our Elections.Your post and other similar on other websites and forums are what spread hatred and misguide people into making bad desicions. I doubt this is the case,but it is odd how you bounce in and out like a butterfly,make a stink and run.Come back under another name and so on.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 18:17 other posts 
The others set a presedent and to expect Trump or anyone else to suddenly do different is a double standard.
FOR REAL? SO BAD IS OK IF SOMEONE ELSE DID IT FIRST? WHY DO YOU COMPLAIN IF FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS CHEAT? OTHERS DID IT BEFORE.
NEVER MIND, BABY. IF YOUR MIND CAN'T GET AROUND IT, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TRYING TO EXPLAIN. YOUR BRAIN IS IN DENIAL OR YOU DON'T CARE FOR THE RULE OF LAW IF IT DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOUR IDEAS. MY FANTASY ISLAND IS SHARED BY MORE THAN HALF OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE REASON HIS APPROVAL RATING IS IN THE LOW 40%. ARE YOU GOING TO QUESTION THIS AGAIN. THERE'S TWO SIDS TO A STORY, BUT, LET ME REMIND YOU, ONLY ONE SIDE IS THE TRUTH. HISTORY WILL TELL.
By phart [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 19:23 other posts 
NOPE, 3 sides, the truth,and each person involved's story.
I can wrap my head around the law and such.It just seems mighty strange that folks have sat back thru all these years and just SUDDENLY they want their president to act like a saint.Although they sat back while ALL others smoked dope on top of the white house and so on.All that is water under the bridge.Now that Trump is in,lets change the standard,lets hold HIM to a higher standard than ALL others before him. Yea,that sure makes sense.Politicly motivated anger is all it is.The dems didn't get the wicked witch in office and they are still throwing tantrams.
By overeight [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 14:14 other posts 
Phart Bernie Sanders as much as I hate to agree with him about anything he nailed it on the head last night in his post debate interview. He said why is it I can make the exact same statements about the same exact thing that Obama did when he was president and just because I'm an old white guy I get torn to shreds over it. I get raked through the coals. All I said about Castro and other communist leaders is the exact same thing Obama said about them but I'm being criticized for saying it and he was praised. Why is that?
By phart [Ignore] at 29,Feb,20 14:25 other posts 
Bernies tv ad last night said he wants to legalize pot. That would be enough for most decent Americans to turn away from him right there.
By overeight [Ignore] at 28,Feb,20 00:36 other posts 
Betsy Devos uncovered a mock college that was accredited and received accreditation under Obama admin. The college named Reagan university in Souix falls was when checked by FBI agents an old dilapidated abandoned building completely locked up and has been for many years. However it never once in its history ever had one employee in its faculty and not one student ever but received millions under Obama admin. In student loans and millions in grant money for research and received millions in government funding for facilities and construction and upgrades. Many universities that opened under Obama admin. And received millions in student loans during the time he was president closed shortly after Trump won the election but can't prove they ever actually had one single graduate who received a degree from those colleges. The FBI is currently investigating all of these colleges,their existence and findings and checking student loans for validity.
By overeight [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 23:31 other posts 
Today an ABC veteran reporter was fired after a secretly recorded conversation he had with someone was released. He admitted on hidden camera that the entire goal of the associated press media outlets was to make the public hate Trump and only report and insinuate anything negative that you can about Trump. He was also caught saying we aren't even allowed to report one good thing that he has done without being reprimanded and fined or suspended. Said he has done lots of great things for the country even though I dont like him. He created so many jobs,peoples pay is going up and people have more to look forward to but I am only allowed by my job to only report against him like he us the devil. Its like we are the voice of the democrats now and he not only has to fight the fake things the democrats are trying to set him up and take him down on but we have to report lies to the public to make them believe the democrats,its so wrong I feel like a snake in the grass or dirty slimeball. Its just so unfair that we can't report the truth. This was reported today on the independent online paper. So like I said the associated press and media are part of a plot to try and take Trump down any way they can.
By overeight [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 14:08 other posts 
Oh yeah and his impeachment hearing in the house was fair right. If it was so fair lets ask this. Why was his lawyers not allowed in the secrecy questionings in the basement,why were no Republicans allowed in. Why did Adam Schiff make a statement the first day saying they were not allowed to say Burisma and any time they wanted to respond to Burisma it must be substituted with the Bidens. Why were the Republicans not allowed responses in the hearing. Why did they write the articles of impeachment one day before Trumps lawyers were scheduled to have their turn questioning witnesses. Why was Adam Schiff allowed to have a private meeting with the whistleblower before they blew the whistle and allowed to control the hearing and allowed to testify. How many times have you ever seen a Judge get down off the bench and testify in a trial they wet providing over,ill bet never. You know why,because that constitutes bias. So they didn't allow any rebuttal,the judge presiding testified and ran the hearing,and had secret meeting with witness,secret meetings and testimony by all witnesses without allowing defense questioning or rebuttal. How could they not succeed with impeachment stacking the deck against Trump like that. It was completely crooked and underhanded. Then they claimed it was imperative to impeach him so fast that they held the impeachment for 31 days before they sent it to the senate because they wanted to control the senate hearing and not allow defense or rebuttal by Trumps lawyers again. In any court anywhere in America if your not allowed a lawyer,not allowed to defend and not allowed to rebutt anything at all your automatically guilty. All your allowed to do is sit there on your hands tape on your mouth and hear them lie about how guilty you are. Thats pretty much exactly how his hearing in the house went. And they want to claim his hearing in the senate was unfair because he was allowed lawyers and allowed to argue points and allowed a defense. I watched every house hearing and every senate testimony. The only one that was fair was the one in the senate.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 16:06 other posts 
Oh yeah and his impeachment hearing in the house was fair right. If it was so fair lets ask this. Why was his lawyers not allowed in the secrecy questionings in the basement,why were no Republicans allowed in.


White House counsel Pat Cipollone falsely suggested Republicans were barred from the closed-door depositions conducted by the House intelligence committee. But members of three committees — both Democrats and Republicans — participated.
Jay Sekulow, President Donald Trump’s attorney, falsely said, “During the proceedings that took place before the Judiciary Committee, the president was denied the right to cross-examine witnesses … the right to access evidence and … the right to have counsel present at hearings.” The committee chair invited Trump and his lawyers to participate, but they declined.

YOU REFER TO THIS AS A TRIAL. THIS WAS NOT A TRIAL. THIS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF A GRAND JURY. IT'S WERE A DETERMINATION IS MADE ON WEATHER A CRIME MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED. IN A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, THE PROSECUTOR RUNS IT AS HE SEES FIT. THE OBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF DURING THE TRIAL (THE SENATE).
The constitutional right to a lawyer comes from the Sixth Amendment, but it only guarantees a lawyer in criminal proceedings – usually after a defendant has been indicted or otherwise charged with a crime.

CHECK IT OUT WITH NATIONAL JURISPRUDENCE. SO, SCHIFT WAS RIGHT, EVERYONE ELSE IS FULL OF SHIT.
NOW, HOW MANY TRIALS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT WHERE THE JUDGE (McCONNELL), BEFORE THE START OF THE TRIAL, DECLARES THAT HE WILL NOT ALLOW THE DEFENDANT TO BE FOUND GUILTY? HOW MANY TRIALS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT WERE THE PROSECUTOR CAN NOT BRING WITNESSES OR EXHIBITS? I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ONE.
NOW, IF HE WAS INNOCENT, WHY DID THEY FEAR WITNESSES AND EXHIBITS? AFTER ALL, HE HAD A ROOM FULL OF LAWYERS AND SENATORS THAT PROMISED NOT TO CONVICT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES?

OVEREIGHT. THE TRIAL WAS NOT A FAIR ONE. YOU KNOW IT, I KNOW IT, THE SENATE KNOWS IT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW IT, BUT, SADLY, IF YOU OWN THE SENATE, OWN THE JUDICIARY, AND EVERYONE IS CHICKEN TO STAND UP TO CORRUPTION, WELL, THEN HE'LL GET OFF EVERY TIME. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE FOLLOWING. IF HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE YOU STILL BEMOANING THE IMPEACHMENT? IS THIS LIKE "LET'S BLAME OBAMA AND HILARY" CRAP?
By overeight [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 21:46 other posts 
Yeah right I guess you didn't complain when they helped Bill Clinton,you didn't complain when they helped Obama and you didn't complain when they helped Jimmie Carter. So why are you complaining about them helping Trump. They have been interfering in every election for over 40 years. The only reason democrats are complaining now is because George Soros is pitching a temper tantrum. Thats why he has demanded Mark Zuckerburg and Sheryl Sandberg be removed from Facebook because they decided to stop banning conservative post. They now are claiming Putin paid Zuckerburg off to help Trump win in 2020. Truth is both of them donated maximum amounts to Hillary. However they also decided that people should actually be allowed their constitutional right to free speech and little Georgie doesn't like it. He can't control what people post on their on facebook pages and true information is finally able to get out and around without being reported by the biased associated press. Democrats hate that Facebook,yahoo and all social media sites can't block someone's political opinion. They can't shut Americans down from speaking their own minds. Truth is they now have lawsuits against Yahoo,Facebook,Fox news and 32 other conservative publications for printing the truth and people being able to voice their on opinions to the public the same way the associated press gets info out,now people can get their info out. Being able to control the press and what the public is allowed to know has always been the biggest advantage the democrats have had since Soros bought those 200 plus newspapers and got control 90% of the media in the US. But people don't wait and only watch ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC,CNBC and all the other cable news. Now people can actually go online and look up their own media outlets or get them sent to their emails or read any conservative outlet they want to access. So Soros no longer has control of the media and control of peoples minds like he used to. People aren't his puppets anymore they can make up their own minds and not only follow his biased outlets. Its actually freedom of the press and free speech now. Not you can only know this and if you speak your mind its treason. So if all you do is follow associated press outlets its all carbon copies of the same news written different but same old story. Now people have the right to read whatever news they are interested in and he can't control it. That means now those stories about how crooked democrats can get out just like it can about conservative politicians.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Feb,20 22:03 other posts 
I guess you have nightmares about Soros. I wonder why? He's super rich and supports liberal ideas. That must be it. To you everything is a conspiracy. Well, if that's your opinion then it must be so. Woe is me. I've been manipulated all my life. I was not as smart as you to resist the black hand of the press. Thank you for fighting for us. Now, I'll go to bed.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 23,Feb,20 07:28 other posts 
Look at the economy, you don't want to give Trump the credit. It seems you hate Trump so much you won't give him the credit for the economy or you really believe this is Obama ?

You won't answer the hard questions. We will put you in charge. So tell us how much money national heath care will cost? How are you going to pay for it ? If you are going taxes people or corporation. I don't think that's a good idea but it depends on how much more we have to pay.

If you want cut government spending or other programs to pay for it. That something I could go for. I already know the answer is nobody want their favorite government program cut. If you think you can list the ones you will cut to pay for national heath care.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 23,Feb,20 19:20 other posts 
It's true, the economy is doing well, but During 2014 under Obama it was doing better. And the DOW has been climbing steadily since 2010 except in 2019 when, due to the trade wars it had a few wobbles.
THE COST IS NOT EASY TO GET EXACT. BUT HERE'S A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL AS BERNIE SANDERS PRESENTED IT IN 2017
"In addition, former Social Security and Medicare Trustee and current Mercatus Center fellow Chuck Blahous estimated that Medicare for All as proposed in Senator Sanders's 2017 legislation would cost the federal government $27.7 trillion through 2028 assuming steep provider cuts and $32.1 trillion assuming no provider cuts (these estimates, like most others, assume immediate implementation).
THESE COSTS ARE SPREAD OUT OVER A 10 YR PERIOD. YOU CAN READ IT HERE
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HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING,
"The totals also do not represent debt impact, which would depend not only on the cost to the federal government but also on any funds the government might choose to raise through premiums, taxes, or both. For example, Senator Sanders's campaign plan included roughly $11 trillion of tax increases, which COULD FUND MORE THAN ONE THIRD of Medicare for All."
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 23,Feb,20 20:54 other posts 
That about the same number I hear. So 27.7 Trillion for 10 year is 2.7 Trillion a year. How are we going to pay for that ? Don't say corporation tax or something that can change because corporation can move or they can just add the tax on to the stuff they sell. So we end up paying the 2.7 trillion. Let's just all pay for it or cut some government programs to come up with 2.7 Trillion.

I did a quick Google search and it say in 2018 we had 156 million people working in USA. That's $17,300 per working person. We can taxes the really rich people more. At $17,300 that's almost Six time what I'm paying now.

If Sanders compaign plan is 11 Trillion more in taxes. I don't know were that money is coming from. I guess Corp taxes. You can tax corporations and the people. I don't see how anyone can afford it. Just looking at we are 22 trillion in the hole and can't even pay that back yet and we refuses to balance the budget. Adding even more sound impossible. That cazy, it so complicated you can't tell me how much we have to pay or percentage of taxes increase. $17,300 is more then I want to pay, so people can flip burgers and have free health insurance. Just make them get job like me or a different job that include some heath care. I don't think you can afford this idea. Maybe if we cut the illegals and their kid out of the heath care syatem we can bring the price down some.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 24,Feb,20 08:54 other posts 
IF WE HAVE MEDICARE FOR ALL, THESE PROGRAMS BELOW WILL NOT BE NEEDED. LOOK AT THEIR ACTUAL COST IN 2018. NOW, I'M NOT SO NAIVE AS TO THINK THERE WON'T BE SOME EXTRAS TO PAY FOR. THE GOVERNMENT BEING THE GOVERNMENT, THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO FUCK UP SOME PART OF IT, BUT, IT'S DOABLE.

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National Health Expenditure grew 4.6% to $3.6 trillion in 2018, or $11,172 per person, and accounted for 17.7% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

Medicare spending grew 6.4% to $750.2 billion in 2018, or 21 percent of total NHE.

Medicaid spending grew 3.0% to $597.4 billion in 2018, or 16 percent of total NHE.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 25,Feb,20 21:32 other posts 
So if we just dump Medicare and Medicaid we are looking at 3.6 Trillion to cover everyone. They seem to say it would be $11,172 per person. That means they are saying their is 327 million people in USA. That all sounds about right to me. I would have guessed the 2.7 Trillion would have covered everyones, 3.6 Trillion is a lot of money. The problem is not everyone is working to pay their $11,172 part.

So we have to pay it for them. Their are about 160 million people working in the USA in 2018. 327 million-160 million is 167 million people we have pay for. Their are more people taking the heath care money then are paying into the system.

167 million at $11,172 is 1.9 Trillion the working people have cover or makup for. That $1.9 Trillion by 160 million people employed in 2018 is $11,800 extra/ more taxes per working person we need to pay to cover the 3.6 Trillion bill.

Do you think that's asking to much ? See if we force them to work jobs like mine or yours then we don't have to pay so much money. We just need to FORCE them to work Ha Ha. Just the idea their are more people taking from the system then paying doesn't seem fair.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 25,Feb,20 22:13 other posts 
There's a fallacy to your numbers. The $11172/person is the average cost per head. The real cost per worker is $22500. But, even this amount is drastically wrong. You are assuming that this is paid strictly by the individual citizen. Huge amounts (not enough yet) are paid by the businesses of this country.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 07:00 other posts 
It's still the same amount of money in the end. Part of the problem is we try and hide the cost. We don't see the real price of heath insurance. When we don't know the real price people think we can just give everyone Heath insurance. It's only $60 a week. So why can't we pay for everyone, right ? Because like you point out it really a lot more. It really 3.9 Trillion or $11,172 per person. The people that are getting the free heath insurance today. Don't even think about it. They don't get a bill or anything. They just sign up and the government covers their health insurance

When people don't know the real price or don't care they probably think, let give everyone free health insurance. The rich people can pay or the government can pay for it. The business can pay for it. Once you take personal responsibility out of the deal. People don't care or even think about it. People don't care about the price anymore because they don't pay anything. The system get bigger and bigger and out of control and so complicated we can't even figure out wear the money is going. Then we start to get more people 167 million taking the free heath care and only 160 million people paying for it. The system will fail because the benefits are better then working. We also don't put ant limits on the health insurance. So people say cover all the illegals and their kids. When it really $11,172 for everyone we give free health care to.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 09:07 other posts 
But, aren't we paying a lot more in private insurance?
look at these figures for 2016, and remember, there was no national, single payer insurance program.

Last year, America’s total medical costs hit a new record of $3.4 trillion, according to the federal government. That’s about 18 percent of the country’s total GDP, meaning that one out of every six dollars we spent in 2016 went to health care. The national doctor bill dwarfs anything else we spend money on, including food, clothing, housing, or even our mighty military.

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Yes, we are trying to include everyone, but, aren't illegals and uninsured still treated in emergency rooms? Don't say no because my whole 25 yr career has been in hospitals and primarily in the ER. The costs show up in different ways. What these proposals are proposing is to consolidate all bills to one place. Why is that so hard to swallow?
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 22:04 other posts 
The hard part to swallow is the price. We are spending more money they we are paying into the system. You want me and another people to pay for them. I don't want to pay for illegals and the people scamming the health care system. Part of the problem will illegals is they go to the hospital and we have to pay for it.

I know of a older guy that gets pain pills. Then he sells the them for the money.

I have solution to the problem. How about we force any business that hire employees to pay the $11,172 average national health car cost. No matter what your job is the business will pay the national health care average cost per person. Then they can pay you regular pay what every that is. So someone flipping burgers will have free heath care just because they have a job. So they will want to work. The business will add that price the the hamburger or anything they sell.

Here is the good part. I can decide if I want to pay that price for a hamburger or anything. I won't be forced to pay out of my hard work. I can even have my 401k and not have some cazy tax on it. I won't care if they have illegals working for them because they will have health insurance. Just because they are working.

You can't just take away money from other people because you think is a good reason. I'm not paying for illegals or some lazy person who want to party on the weekend when I'm working. If people want to make me a hamburger and fries and include their health care and personal pay in that price. That ok, because I can choose if I really want that hamburger and fries.

If you think the government should just take money from people then I will tell the government you should pay a lot more taxes because you can afford it. Your rich
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 26,Feb,20 22:38 other posts 
That 1st paragraph was entertaining. You said,
"Part of the problem will illegals is they go to the hospital and we have to pay for it."
That is true, but, the part you did not mention is that the hospital that provides that service is almost always a public hospital paid by the city or county it's in with taxes collected from the community. Home owners being the biggest group taxed. One way or the other we pay for it.
You know that older guy that sells his pain pills? Ever stop to think why he does that? Think about it.
I get you don't want to pay a single penny more than what covers YOU. Ok, but, weather you like it or not, there's always going to be taxes. What it goes for you MIGHT be able to influence, but, I doubt it. And you know that BIG boogie man, "The Illegals"? They are approx. 3.5% of the total population or about 12 million. Really a drop in the bucket. And, when you figure that an often-overlooked fact is that many illegal immigrants pay payroll taxes and sales taxes. It can't affect the numbers that much. You've been brain washed about the "Great Hordes Coming Up From Mexico".
You seem reasonably smart. Think about this. There are traffic jams every day in every city and town of this nation during the morning and afternoon rush hours. Do you think all these people play all day long and suck on the tit of the Feds taking and not putting back? Not wanting higher taxes is normal. Citing your excuses is at best, laughable. At worst you are a bigot and a person that thinks very poorly of your fellow citizens.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 27,Feb,20 19:29 other posts 
You want to believe you can save everyones without paying for it. The illegals are just an example of how messed up the system is. Do you really think they are paying $11,172 in taxes to cover their cost. I have been to many places that only have illegals working for them. They are not making much money

I'm sure your know about the 22 Trillion national debt. So obviously people are sucking on the tit of the government as you put it. You only care about what you want. Only you can think 12 million illegals at $11,172 or 1.3 billion is small. I'm sure it seem drop in bucket to you because you don't pay the bill. Your not willing to stand up for what you believe.

We already paying taxes in case your forgetting about all the stuff the government already give out for free. If you want to pay for more stuff. You can write a check anytime you want to.


Yes we can influence how taxes are spent. We can vote for someone who says no to free national health care.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 27,Feb,20 19:49 other posts 
I paid just over $16K last year. That means I am paying my share. Taxes are levied on a sliding scale. Those that make little money pay little or nothing. The system is not set up nor will it ever be a set and equal amount for everyone.

Only you can think 12 million illegals at $11,172 or 1.3 billion is small.

And only you can be so thick headed that you can't wrap your brain around the fact that the money has to come from the workers only. There is no explanation that you are willing to accept that the means are there. You have decided that it'will cost you more taxes and that's that. Well, either the nation will go ahead with health care for all or stay behind in it's present system as it implodes. Time will tell
The huge growers in the southwest that make oodles of money, hire almost exclusively illegals or seasonal workers. So what? Yes, we are paying taxes already. You vote as you like and good luck.
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OK PETRO635, LET'S PLAY ANOTHER GAME,

YOU
-You want to believe you can save everyones without paying for it.
ME
WHEN DID I SAY THAT? SHOW ME.
YOU
The illegals are just an example of how messed up the system is.
ME
SINCE WHEN IS ILLEGAL ENTRY TO THIS COUNTRY "A SYSTEM"?
YOU
Do you really think they are paying $11,172 in taxes to cover their cost
ME
DID I EVER SAY THAT? YOU ARE VERY FREE WITH WHAT YOU ATTRIBUTE TO ME. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT?
YOU
I'm sure your know about the 22 Trillion national debt. So obviously people are sucking on the tit of the government as you put it
ME
YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR EVERYTHING IT DOES, RIGHT? MILITARY, INFRASTRUCTURE, SOCIAL PROGRAMS, EVEN THE WHOLE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL FROM CONGRESS TO SWEEPERS ARE PART OF THAT COST. THE DEBT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO BORROW WHEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY. THAT IS NOT WASTED EXPENSES GOING TO DEADBEATS.
YOU
I'm sure it seem drop in bucket to you because you don't pay the bill. Your not willing to stand up for what you believe.
ME
HOW DARE YOU. I PAY A GOOD CHUNK OF MY PAYROLL TO INCOME TAXES. I'M WILLING TO BET I PROBABLY PAY MORE THAN YOU. FOR CERTAIN MY HOUSEHOLD PAYS WAY MORE THAN YOU. I AM WILLING TO PAY MORE SO MY FELLOW CITIZENS GET A BETTER DEAL FOR THEIR HEALTH CONCERNS. OBVIOUSLY FOR YOU IT'S ONLY "ME,ME,ME"
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
By Petro635 [Ignore] at 27,Feb,20 21:09 other posts 
You prove you want to save everyones by not letting them fail for their choices. You want everyone else to pay for their health care.

Illegals entry into the USA. The system of free health care and hospital will take care of them if they go and free high school education their kid will get. They will get food stamps if needed. That's the system you don't seem to understand. Because you can't say no to illegals and you can't say no to the free stuff. They just show up and they can get it. Then we have to pay for it. But we don't actually pay for it. We jus keep adding it to the debt. Are you blind ??? Look at the California they are something like 1 Trillion in debt.

Illegals and the $11,172 thing was to point out they probably pay some taxes but they don't pay enough taxes to over come the free benefits they are taking. Part of the problem is because they are illegals the people they work for won't pay them a good wage because they know. Nobody is going to say anything and they can't because they are illegals. So they get screwed and so does the USA tax payers because nobody won't say no or go after the business that employees them.

If the government would stop spending money when it run outs of money then people like you would wake up and see the problem we have. We can afford all the stuff we want. Then you would be forced to made a choice as to what programs you want the government to spend your and my and everyone else money on. But no you don't want to make a choice, you want to keep spending even more money and keep going into debt.


It not about me me me. I'm willing to admit we are running out of money and can't afford national heath care. Because we already spent 22 trillion more then we have. Let's pay the 22 Trillion off and let's see maybe we can afford national health care.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 28,Feb,20 07:22 other posts 
That is called balancing the budget. The last president to do that was Bill Clinton, a democrat. We know what happened since then.
By phart [Ignore] at 28,Feb,20 08:51 other posts 
Cutting defense to pay for health care,is like cutting off your legs to save money from buying shoes. Stupid.And that is where the dems want to take from.
What good is good health in a unsafe country?
There could be some trimming,like take away subsidizing from alchol fuels and we actually eat the corn and burn the real gas that won't gum up everything in a months time.
That would leave some money for health care.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 28,Feb,20 09:43 other posts 
Financial mismanagement is rampant at the Pentagon. And the Trump administration wants to give them tens of billions dollars more.

A staggering report by the Defense Department’s Inspector General last summer found the Army made $2.8 trillion worth of wrongful adjustments to accounting entries in one quarter alone in 2015, and $6.5 trillion for the year. The Army lacked receipts and invoices to support those numbers or simply made them up.

OF COURSE, BUILDING HIS ANTI-ILLEGALS WALL IS A MUST.
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PHART, if you put the cost aside, what do you think of medicare for all?
By overeight [Ignore] at 02,Mar,20 13:08 other posts 
Obama was president back in 2015 not Trump so thats on his admin. For not managing it or having the right management.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 02,Mar,20 15:19 other posts 
The figures are correct. Regardless who was president, they were correct. If it could be stopped you could pay for national health for one year. You don't know weather to put down Obama or argue against national health care.
By overeight [Ignore] at 02,Mar,20 13:10 other posts 
Yeah we do know exactly what happened he balanced the budget and took money from the military and national security funds and then 911 happened. Yeah we know exactly what happened.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 12,Apr,20 08:47 other posts 
And yet, now we are helping everyone and guess what, it's socialistic, and we CAN afford it.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 12,Apr,20 08:59 other posts 
It's not so much the cost. Look at what's happening. No business, no health insurance. Nationalized med means your insurance continues even when you loose your job. If the private sector can do it, the Feds can do it too


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