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Trump/Pence or Biden/Harris...Which do you feel will prevail???

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 09,Sep,20 03:45  other posts
Trump has been somewhat erratic at times...But look at Creepy sleepy uncle joe...Pence pretty clean, but not totally...Harris, now I wonder like I do with uncle joe...??? (I agree it is about 50/50 with the flaws concerning both parties)...༼☯﹏☯༽

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Mar,23 06:11 other posts 
Let's talk about Meatball Ron:
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Mar,23 05:06 other posts 
Marianne Williamson for president in 2024! Let Biden retire.
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By tecsan [Ignore] 20,Feb,23 00:03 other posts 
Give it up, libtards are ALWAYS right, atleast in they're minds anyway.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Feb,23 03:38 other posts 
When you don't have any arguments for your opinions, you are always wrong,
even when some of your opinions are correct.

It's like a math test; if you said 'x=5', without showing how you got there,
you still got 0 points, even when x was really 5.
By tecsan [Ignore] 20,Feb,23 03:51 other posts 
I just said you are always right.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Feb,23 03:54 other posts 
Because I give arguments, I at least have the option of being right.
Because you don't, I am always more right, even if I'm not right.
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Feb,23 00:59 other posts 
Was that a fucking word salad or what?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Feb,23 06:19 other posts 
It's not word salad, just because you don't understand it.

To go back to math:
You just say 'x=5', without showing how you got there. (your lacking arguments)
Even when the answer is correct, you get 0 points for that.
The teacher will say; "We are not doing guessing here!".

I do use arguments to substantiate my opinions. I present my thinking process leading up to the answer, and I show how it is supported by verifiable facts, data
and logical argumentation. I also point at logical fallacies that others use.
Those are like the steps leading up to an answer in that math test.
Even when I say incorrectly 'x=3', I'll get points for every correct step before it.
I might get up to 8 points, even for an incorrect final answer.
Then the teacher will put a circle round the step where I made a mistake.

Now we are in an argument about a math test, where I say 'x=7' and you say 'x=8'. You want everyone to trust you on the answer, by just calling me wrong.
Meanwhile, I'm showing my steps leading up to my answer and pointing at the chapter in the math-book that explains your mistake.
Who should people trust to have the correct answer to this math test?
By tecsan [Ignore] 23,Feb,23 00:28 other posts 
Of course everything a person with common sense says is a logical fallacy to you, right? And no one should ever trust a socialist with all their BS. Come on you would do anything to prove you are right when you know you are wrong. I however; do not really care what you think because you are two faced.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Feb,23 07:46 other posts 
Common sense doesn't exist. People disagree on literally everything.
What is common sense, when there are people who are absolutely sure
that the earth is flat?

And even if there was some common sense, how can you use it as an argument?
Telling a flat earther that it's common sense that the earth is spherical,
will not convince them. Neither will the common sense argument convince anyone.

I can tell you that it's common sense to have single payer healthcare.
Does that convince you?

If I can prove I'm right, then I am. What else is proof?

But do explain why you think I'm 'two faced'. Have I claimed anything different
to you in the private chat, than I've claimed in the topics?
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Feb,23 01:56 other posts 
And if you cannot? Think about your last question. What do you believe in etc?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Mar,23 06:29 other posts 
Two-faced: Someone who is two-faced is not sincere, saying unpleasant things about you to other people while seeming to be pleasant when they are with you.

Do you have reason to say that I say unpleasant things about you to other people, while seeming to be pleasant when they are with you? I think I'm just as blunt to you in person as I am in public. I might even be more of a dick to you sometimes in person. I only do it when I think it's called for and I don't mind you being a dick to me back. I think you even like it that way. Or would you like us to tone it down a bit?


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Feb,23 07:50 other posts 
Liar, Liar Network On Fire: The Legal Case Against Fox News
The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast:
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There has never been such a clear case of 'Actual Malice' before, in media law cases.
According to the law professor, this case would be too easy to use as a test example
for law students to argue if the laws describing 'Actual Malice' are applicable to the
example's case.

There is first person communication evidence, where Fox'News' executives, staff and hosts are explicitly stating, that they know Trump is lying, and where they called everyone who pushed that lie fucking crazy and dangerous, but that they had to help Trump spread it, because Fox'News' is dependent on viewers who want to hear that lie and they don't want them to go to OAN, Newsmax and other competitors, who were spreading that lie with even more enthusiasm.

And that was just the evidence that was so far permitted in court. Fox'News' successfully litigated against other evidence being fully available to law professors and such, because it makes their 'journalists' look bad. So there are whole pieces blacked out, with just a lawyer's remark under it, stating that it's even more explicit evidence for 'Actual Malice'.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Feb,23 07:40 other posts 
Sidney Powell used as evidence for Trump's big lie, an email that she received
from a person who described herself as an 'internally decapitated time-traveler'.
She collected evidence that the election was 'rigged', by time-traveling as a ghost.
That evidence was convincing enough for Sidney Powell to send to Fox'News'
and then Fox'News' invited her to come over and talk about the 'evidence'.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Feb,23 10:08 other posts 
Fox News Is Absolutely Screwed After Internal Documents Reveal Their Corruption
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No one at Fox believed Trump's bullshit, but they still all parroted it.
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By phart [Ignore] 09,Jan,23 23:37 other posts 
MY goodness, lookie here why don't ye?
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By #610414 21,Jan,23 11:26
And do what?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 12:32 other posts 
Well,it would help to explain to some of us why his having papers in the garage is so much less of a issue than Trump possibly having papers locked in his home?
I also read this morning that biden caused problems for jimmy carter not wanting a appointee that had misshandled documents back in the 70's .So why ,if it was such a problem for him in the 70's that someone else misshandled documents,and it is ok for him to have them??
Makes no sense all these double standards coming out of the woood workes.It will soon become all but impossiable for the democrats to hide these double standard- Do as I say do not as I do situations.
By #610414 21,Jan,23 13:02
It would not help in your case. Those of us that actually follow the events and try to understand have tried to explain it to you and you refuse to understand. Trump KNEW he had these papers and tried to prevent it's return to the National Archives. Biden did not know he had these papers, and he certainly proved it that he doesn't approve this mishandling of classified documents by his stance in the Carter affair. The possession is unlawful and both should be fined for it. Trump, though, went to a higher step and committed a crime willingly. That is the difference. This is not a double standard. It's apples and oranges.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 16:48 other posts 
So let me try to understand this.
You don't know what is in your closet?
You don't know what is in your garage?
Biden doesn't know what is in his garage?
or his closet or his "whatever".
He is filling the chair of the president of the US. He or someone should know where ever mouse turd is for security reasons.
And it is perfectly ok for there to be documents there?
What ever the outcome of this is ,I hope some new rules are put in place to prevent this from happening again.
By #610414 21,Jan,23 18:00
Phart, I have boxes in the attic with tons of papers I've collected at one time or another. When I stored something important, I did so with the intent of getting back to it. So, let's look at a possible scenario. I have a government office I have to vacate. I'm the vice-president. Does it sound right that I would pack and load all that in a Uhaul and move it myself? I had classified materials in my office. It's legal. It ended up, first, at a private office and then, in my garage. As soon as it was discovered, the National Archives was notified.
You want the world to work in a perfect way. It just doesn't. So, now, what do you suggest? Do you want him to resign? You want Harris to take over? Do you want him to share lawyers with Trump?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 18:23 other posts 
Might save money if they both use the same lawyer Trump can negotiate a better deal on a 2 fer.
It is just annoying that 1 man is crucified and another man is not for having documents in their home period,
Hell no I don't want giggles for prezident.
By #610414 21,Jan,23 18:29
Okay....👍
By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 19:20 other posts 

You have to admit,judgeing from the link I posted on another thread of this subject, it will become harder to keep this routine up before finally "SPLATT"
By #610414 21,Jan,23 20:46
Please remember, one is The President, the other is just a rich citizen with no office behind him.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 21:47 other posts 
Uh,Yea, I remember,1 is a career politician and the other was a rich citizen that lost a fortune trying to save America.
By #610414 21,Jan,23 22:36
That's complete BS. Come on, when are you going to clear your eyes and mind? By all other standards you are a reasonably smart man. Why this fixation on Trump?
By phart [Ignore] 22,Jan,23 09:58 other posts 
Not a fixation as much as knowing it is all that is up for grabs for something better.
If Trump can't run for Prez,I will vote for the person he supports.
I can't support the current bunch, idiots, all of them. idiots.
By #610414 22,Jan,23 10:20
Does that include Republicans?
By phart [Ignore] 22,Jan,23 10:44 other posts 
That 1 that lied about his mother being in the tower on 9-11 and alot of other shit, i can't support him,and I hope they root his ass out ,but it don't look like they will.
By #610414 22,Jan,23 10:51
He is a problem and, I do agree, whatever his party affiliation, someone like him has to go. The real problem is what are the Republicans thinking of doing about it?
What is your point of that link? Should or shouldn't the Justice Department investigate improper keeping of classified documents?
And when should improper keeping of classified documents be prosecuted?
-When it was intentional or also when it was unintentional?
-When the person keeping the classified documents tried to hide them or also when they found and returned them at the first request?
- Does the classification level of the classified documents matter?
- When classified documents appear to still be missing, would it justify more investigations, until it's clear where they went missing to?
- When the classified documents were kept in an unsecured drawer or also when they were kept according guidelines?
- Does Biden have the same ability to declassify documents as Trump is alleged to have?

Why didn't you want the classified documents issue of Trump investigated?
And are you now calling to investigate Biden's classified documents issue?
What's the difference, other than partiality?
By phart [Ignore] 10,Feb,23 09:50 other posts 
Well, I think at the time I posted this ,I was trying to illustrate that cat's idea of the perfect president was guilt of the same thing as the other guy was being accused of.
Frankly,I can't see how this shit happened under any president. It shows how lax our security really is. I would rather see the people who allowed these documents to be held in the wrong hands dealt with as they are not taking care of the paper work as they should be.
By #610414 10,Feb,23 11:18
Phart, this happens. It's called a mistake. I agree that the people who do the work should be more careful. It's serious but, I don't think it was intentional except, maybe, in Trump's case. He's know to be be unforgiving and vicious and wouldn't surprised me he wanted those documents to have leverage. That's the difference. Getting fined for the procession is not a major problem for anyone, especially an ex-president or his previous staff.
It wasn't the 'same thing'. Trump had boxes full, that he hid for years, lied about many times and obstructed all efforts by the National Archives to get back those documents, while he was secretly moving them. That means he had a reason to keep those documents and that reason was big enough to break the law over many times.
The people need to know that reason. Also, there are still documents missing and there is evidence that those secret documents were scanned and in the hands of campaign organizers. There is evidence of serious crimes, much worse than for any of the other politicians, who were in the possession of documents that they shouldn't have.

What you are doing is 'false equivalency', which is common for right-wingers.
They are used for example as:
- comparing apples to oranges
- bothsidesism
- whataboutism
A true master at this is Ben Shapiro, but because he does it at 200% normal speaking pace, he often gets away with it.


By tecsan [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 03:36 other posts 
Jill is very lucky and I bet many women agree with me. Joe says lets make love she says "we just did".
By #610414 21,Jan,23 11:22
That pre-supposes that “Jill” doesn’t want to be “moved”
By tecsan [Ignore] 21,Jan,23 23:58 other posts 
Keep trying to twist it?
By #610414 22,Jan,23 00:07
Always, baby.🥰
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Jan,23 01:06 other posts 
That is why I love you.
By #610414 22,Jan,23 09:49
Love you more.🥰😈
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 03:26 other posts 
Jill is still very lucky. Hell, she could be caught cheating and joey would forget about it in 60 seconds.
By #610414 24,Jan,23 10:39
I've always wondered if First Ladies (First Gentlemen, too) get it on the side and the Secret Service runs interference. Milania comes to mind.
By tecsan [Ignore] 24,Jan,23 22:25 other posts 
Kennedy comes to mind I think and Clinton. I know they are not first gentlemen which makes it worse.
By tecsan [Ignore] 10,Feb,23 03:23 other posts 
Funny thing that you mention first gentleman here. Remember Tuesday.


By tecsan [Ignore] 14,Jan,23 02:02 other posts 
We are closer with McCarthy, maybe all this nonsense crap can slowly start to dwindle. I know that we cannot go to the past or future. But why do we keep digressing to the past? We tend to live the past now, why?
By #610414 21,Jan,23 11:25
You can’t go and CHANGE the past, but, you can plan for the future. Your party, the GOP, seems to be stuck in a time loop. That’s why liberals are said to be “progressives”.


By phart [Ignore] 31,Dec,22 15:40 other posts 
Trump impossed travel restrictions on china in 2020 and we are still hearing how "racist" he was for doing so.
BUT looky here why don't ye?
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Whats the damn difference???????
By sherryann [Ignore] 31,Dec,22 17:41 other posts 
they called him racist for everything, never in history has a president been treated so badly before.
By #610414 06,Jan,23 12:29
Sherryann, they called him racist for everything because he was racist for everything. You think he was treated badly? How about him saying Obama was not born in this country during 8 yrs of Obama's presidency? Are you going to seriously ignore the racist way the Obamas were treated because he is black? By any standard you want to use, and I don't mean the amount of rabid supporters, Trump is an egotistical failure. He is uneducated in the real sence of the word, ie, ignorant. An ignorance that makes a fifth grade student seem like a mental giant. And, what did he bring to the office of the presidency? A spanking by a porn queen while his wife was expecting. A devastating trade war with China. China, the country we buy so much from that if they wanted to, they could paralize this country. That happened in a partial way. Did he bring health safety to you and me? You tell me. Sherryann, the only thing he brought to us discord, lies, misogynism, and discrimination of many different nationalities, religions and societies. And you wonder why he's treated so badly? Come on.
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By sherryann [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 15:22 other posts 
Listen cat, I'll tell you what's racist Clinton saying years ago there won't be a white majority soon and how glad he is! Biden said the same thing. That live coverage on tv right now about January 6th is racist! What's racist is the white men locked up, beaten and treated worse than any non white is racist. A black "officer" killing a white woman on January 6th without being held accountable is racist. If that were a white officer killing a black woman we'd still be hearing about it on the news! True blue white nationalist 's don't even like Trump and those who are white nationalist/separatists know he's far from being a racist. To clarify: a white nationalist is what you would call a "white supremacist". Why is it if whites want to be separate it's "racist " but if any other non white race wants to separate its not racist? Double standard.
By #610414 06,Jan,23 18:57
Sherryann:

In 2021, the U.S. population expanded at its slowest rate in history, and for the first time, the majority of its population growth came from immigration. So, despite four years of former President Donald Trump’s policies limiting the admission of foreigners, the United States is on track to reach its anticipated 2044 “majority minority” milestone: the moment when the majority ethnic group, non-Hispanic white people, becomes one of multiple minorities.

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Why is this racist? "live coverage on tv right now about January 6th is racist!". It's coverage of a historical event that happened two yrs ago today. DiSantis was re-elected in the last election and it's in the news. Is that racist? And how many non-whites did you see taking part in the January 6, 2021 insurrection? How many of those got arrested and are now being beaten in prison? BTW, if you are a cop, and you see a mob coming at you, and you shoot your weapon to defend yourself, does it matter if you are black or white or whether the perv is a black or white man/woman? I doubt it and whatever comes after is just that, what came after..
I call a nationalist someone who wants to support his country even at the detriment of other countries. A white supremacist is not that. That person wants other ethnic groups to be discriminated against. That is not good for his country. Wanting to be "separate" is a choice and no one would object........until that person starts to want other ethnic groups to ride in the back of the bus or demand a "white" and "non-white" public water fountain, public pools for whites only, public schools for whites only, and so on.
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By sherryann [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 20:03 other posts 
Welcome to my world CAT. Where I live I'm already the minority.
Why J6 is racist is because white men were incarcerated (while inside denied medicine/health care, beaten) for petty insignificant so called crime while we had looting riots massive destruction by BLM & their supporters during a pandemic that didn't get any negative coverage in the news. It was actually encouraged. But the J6 was "historical" because they were all white and Trump supporters. As far as the white woman getting killed by a black cop that was never held accountable is racist in my book. You have your own belief CAT and the majority of people believe exactly like you do. I don't care either way what happens.
By #610414 07,Jan,23 12:36
You call an insurection a petty, insignificant crime? The overthrow of our democratic form of government is an insignificant crime? Threatening the life of a vice-president is an insignificant crime? Destroying property in a federal building is an insignificant crime? What do you consider a significant crime? There are close to 1000 people identified by the FBI as having taken part in J6. Over 600 pleaded guilty and the rest are waiting on trial or indictment. Are they .the ones beaten and denied meds? Did this happened while they were out on bail? The black cop did have to go through an investigation. He was exonerated. It's funny that you feel this is racist but when a white cop murdered a suspect by kneeling on his neck for over 9 minutes you did not. Your views are yours to bring out. So are mine. Sherryann, I believe you are racist. I don't care. I don't like it but, I believe you have your reasons.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,23 14:47 other posts 
the fresh prince of no air had commited a crime and large enough to harm officers. BUT where the cops screwed up was taking him back out of the car once he was in it, shoulda left him in there with the air conditioning on until the ems arrived,let THEM deal with the health issue.
As for the gathering at the capitol ,I hardly call a bunch of folks with flags and funny hats a Inserection.
More guns would have been there,more people would have died,and a couple doors would NOT have stopped the group from their goals.
I can't say they were right in damaging things but that black cop was WRONG and RACIST and misogynist and he took advantage of a opportunity to kill a unarmed woman.
I would be happy to pull the switch on his electric chair,but I am sure the line for that job would be 10's of 1000's of people long.
By #610414 07,Jan,23 15:40
Phart, either you are an ass or you need glasses. We all saw what happened on J6 thanks to tv
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,23 00:57 other posts 
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cat, see if a white person in your family can get a scholarship to these schools.
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Ok, what does naacp stand for? Would you be welcome in that group Cat?
I am sure your membership fee would be but would YOU be welcome?
BUT, look,
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HUM< appears it don't work anyway?
By #610414 07,Jan,23 15:38
Why should they? My daughter has several scholarships she's used to U of M and FIU.
By #610414 07,Jan,23 19:05
Would a black mother be accepted into the Daughters of the Confederacy?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,23 08:05 other posts 
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complicated as it may be, no reason they shouldn't if they meet the criteria
By phart [Ignore] 07,Jan,23 00:50 other posts 
thank you,
The unarmed woman shot in the capitol building was murdered ,she was no threat .UNARMED
Had she been armed, I would look at it a bit different but others around her were armed but that black officer singled her out, I guess because she was half in, half out a window and defenseless ,unable to protect herself from him.
By #610414 07,Jan,23 15:34
This from someone who said and I paraphrase, "If someone tries to enter my home unenvited will end up dead."
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,23 08:06 other posts 
they would not be entering my home to protest a election.they would be entering my home to do harm or steal.Big difference.
By #610414 08,Jan,23 08:10
Would the vice-president be there and in danger of being hung?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jan,23 11:44 other posts 
Do you honestly think they would have?
No, they were trying o instill fear, in turn get some results.
1 of the fellows I talked to that went was gathered near the gallows and had several photos of it.
looked sturdy enough but the folks were not armed that were near it, and some were eating hotdogs and having a good time.
I don't think the "threat" was real ,but good acting to try to instill fear in our leaders and remind they represent US and WE wanted a fair election.
What pisses me off is the fact our constitution says we have a right to a speedy trial. There are STILL people in jail,2 years later, denied bail ,healthcare and so on. WHY?
hell if what they "did" was so bad,why not move them to
Nuremberg and get on with the progra?>
By #610414 08,Jan,23 13:26
Gee. I was so wrong. J6 was just an afternoon grilling burgers and dogs. Why can't the Justice department, Congress, and 90% of the people realize that.
By tecsan [Ignore] 31,Dec,22 22:50 other posts 
You know, I have been wondering the same thing. Go figure.
The difference is that Trump banned people from China from entering the country completely, while Biden is just asking them to do a test. If I want to enter into China,
I have to be tested for Covid too.

Calling Covid the 'China virus' and 'Kung Flu' is racist.
Restriction on people entering the country is not necessarily racist,
but if you have different policies for different skin-tones/races, that's racist.

I do agree that China pulls the racism card way too often.
The best way to react to that is telling them that it's not because they are Chinese,
but because their government is a bunch of authoritarian liars that we cannot trust.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 10:55 other posts 
banning completely was far more secure than just asking for a test, made in china.
By #610414 06,Jan,23 12:11
You asked for a difference. Now that you've got it you want to backpedal your post?
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jan,23 13:59 other posts 
NOt back pedaling,Trump did the right thing. Closed the border to china. biden just ask for a test.
that the chinese made,


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