 | So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the US. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the Revolutionary War to Iraq.
It is true that gun ownership is in the US constitution and it is true that most people argue that guns are not the problem. The problem is those who use the guns irresponsibly. If 1.4 million deaths occurred by, say, a million people in the US, what does it take to make those people responsible gun owners? |
Wish all Americans were like you.
Many are. But, alas, you also got those who, ignoring even their own interests, have fallen victims (=brainwashed) of those who are in control of the money. (President Jefferson would never recognize the America of today.)
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Don't give up on us, Leo. This country is full of good, smart people. The stereo type is not the true spirit of this country. One day, like many times before, the silent minority will rise and fix this too,,,
One more statistic,, When the nazi's outlawed guns to Jews then rounded up and killed 6 million of them.,
Gun holders that are l egal don't go out shooting people compared to people that are breaking laws on guns murder people. Not the other way around..
This is a Left Wing Political tactic to strip us of our guns then to control us and invoke socialism..
I suggest that you look at the people responsible for many of the mass shootings recently. Many of them legitimately held the weaposnt they used to carry out the massacres.
I ama also curious aboout why civilians need to have assault weaposn designed for the military. Surely not for hubnting, that would hardly be fair. So why?
that many Americans are
utterly religious fundamentalists.
All of them have guns because they believe in absurdities.
Thanks.
The country is big and is diverse... Europeans until recently were more mono-cultural than America but you can see that it is now under invasion by its own government.. They don't give a shit about the people there that paid taxes for many generations. Now they are just food for the slaughterhouse.
You have no idea why Americans have Guns.. I live here. We protect our land, property and lives. That is why we have 2nd amendment... What you are is a liberal but you call Trump a liberal so you don't know what you are talking about..
Any more questions?
.Someone mentioned Americans being religious fanatics.
I could not help but laugh as I aint been in a church except for a funeral in 30 years.It is my opinion you Europeans and others have way to much FAITH in your government and polic#.Way to much.A bobby with a billy stick or a citizen with a gun,which stands a better chance of defending you?
Someone ask why people need or want "assault" weapons?
1 thing you might consider is what gives the criminal the right to "outgun" his victims?
As I have said before,someone with criminal intent has thought out their crime,and intends to catch the victim,that by the way could be YOU ,by surprise. So to protect yourself, you need more or better weapons than the criminal.And you need training to use them so you can effectively diffuse the situation.
Strange how when I was in high school gun safety was a course we took. Now,it is taboo to mention a gun in school. DUMB.Of course we learned how to balance our checking accounts and cook and repair things to.
Frankly,I wish the antigunners had their own state or country to reside in so all the soft targets would be consolidated.The rest of us would be safe as the crooks would know they would be shot back at.
And in the country, there are alot of empty fields and backhoes! So keep your criminal activity in the "crook safe" areas please . Diesel fuel aint cheap!
Folks over there give to much faith to their government and l@w enforcement.
There is no real evidence that gun control works .
Where I sit at this moment,if a incident occurs,I would of course try to dial 911. But regardless if I was being assaulted ,experiencing a heart attack or had fallen from the front porch, response time from any of the emergency services is about 10 to 12 minutes. Now obviously a gun is not going to help with the heart attack or falling off the porch,but if I was being assaulted, 1 bullet could respond to save my life in just a couple seconds.
As for the crook,fuck him,he is a crook.Someone who places no value on life or property and deserves nothing but putting out of the worlds misery.
How accurate are your shots in a panic situation? The assailant is aware of what he is doing,he planned for it,you are caught off guard and have to think quick.5 or 8 shots could be fired before the 9th hits home. The 1 thing in your favor if you are out arming your assailant is he is not expecting that.He will probably run out before you do if you have 30 rounds. Now if he has 30+ rounds, and you have 6, well,you better be cool under pressure and good stance or have a will made out.
And besides, some folks feel secure with a cell phone and a blanket.Some of us feel secure with more.No one is running out and telling the person with a phone and blanket to get a gun. They in turn should not be telling us to give up our security.
This going back and forth on whose right or wrong is inevitably pointless as everyone has a point of view that opposes someone else and won't back down because each feels they are right. Again people will always find a way to kill another person regardless of means. Make guns **** and the killings will become more brutal and sinister.
Virtually any other method of killing people takes far far longer. A crazy man with a semi automatic could kill 10 people in 20 seconds or less, to kill 10 people with a knife or any other method would take far far longer.
youar right though people have entreched views on this subject and are unlikely to change them.
My point is banning this or that solves nothing. If you look at human history it's filled with self created ****. Without changing the way we act, all that's done with be in vain.
I see the point you are trying to make. That is remove ALL weapons from the planet. I don't that any government will agree to that. Weapons have been on this planet, being used by law bidding individuals and criminals alike since their conception. Regardless of whom is allowed to have them or not, criminals WILL get ahold of them and use them on everyone.
Now, let's say the majority of people say the want the 2nd amendment removed from the bill of rights. There's your only defense of having the rest of those rights removed also. You no longer are allowed to protest, speak up for yourself, wear what you want, do (as allowed by law) as you want. Food for thought.
AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I think we both agree that the National Guard and the military can protect this country without any help except to get conscription.
I feel if we repeal it i would still be allowed to wear a bikini,,fuck the President, call my boyfriend a cunt and pray to the Goddess of love,,,
Is this before or after you or your loved 1's lost their lives to the crook?
I would want the cops to go after him and exact revenge for me. I'd be praying the piece of shit would fight the cops so he would die. And if not, I'd like to see him rot the rest of his life doing hard labor in some desert prison. But, even today,,,with all these guns available, Criminals also have guns,,so what's the point??
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I heard on the news yesterday in the US there is a mass shooting EVERY DAY. I hope that is not true.
Politics is a lie and so the one that can lie the best will get elected.. The most charm and convincing. Reagan won because the county was fucked up by Carter big time people had enough of him. When they tried to kill Reagan suddenly he started going more to the left with the Iran Contra Accord then praised the Nazi's.. This really pissed off the Jews. Did I support Reagan? Not really, he was popular by many because he was a good actor. He was strong but he was not the best president by far... Many of his base was disappointed but then the 2 Bush's were a total disaster...As you can see I am not Left or Right.. I want to do what is right... I'm a moderate democrat because it creates different ideas although I honor our constitution. In my opinion Lincoln was the best president, Washington was number 2.. I will listen to people on the left but it doesn't mean I will agree or disagree with them. I feel for what is right and fair.. I was born in America and I broke my ass here. I don't think its fair to support i llegal immigration because it is not l egal.. Why support it when there are americans that are homeless and starving?.. One's that come home from the War but are too injured to work because of their injuries... I will never forgive both Bush's because they are bastards,, yes republicans but the misrepresented ... Most of the Republicans in the senate and the House are a bunch of lying pussies.. I don't have any respect for the 2018 democrat at this point..
The democrats are so far to the left it is not reasonable. They are liars and have no agenda on for the American citizen, only i llegals.. You are all the way to the left so it doesn't make sense I can understand..This is just going in circles.. First define a moderate and compare it to extremism..
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to protect us from invasion.. Like I said in different words.. democrats live off of I'llegals..that's how it works.. conservatives support the constitution,, rhino republicans are democrats but are worse because they pretend to be opposed then vote democrat.. they get their cut.. That's how the business runs.. There is only a handful of conservatives that are senators handful in congress.. we are outnumbered 95-5 the rest is liberal... you really have to identify who is who and you don't know
They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more
To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.
What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..
How does this document help "US" as compared to government? Why are the democrats furious with Trump which you need to have a clear objective as to why !!! Why is FAKE NEWS fake news? As you say,, PEOPLE LIKE YOU or people like me believe in justice and living under laws by the people, not to the people.
Democrats live off of il legals..Plus minorities. Yes. There is some truth that il legals go into labor that americans prefer not to work but it only accounts for 5-10%. The other 90% are either free loaders stealing from tax payers, supporting chi l d sex trafficing or terrorists just like 9-11 where they only wanted to fly a plane, not to land it !
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This independent think tank says:
There are many compelling reasons why having a large undocumented population is a problem for society. It undermines law and order, permits a shadow economy that is harder to regulate, and is simply unfair to the millions of immigrants who have come here legally. Yet, while the undocumented population frequently comes under fierce criticism, the data shows that a large number of the 11.4 million undocumented immigrants here are working, paying taxes, and even starting their own businesses. They also play an integral role in our economy, often filling jobs in agriculture, construction, and hospitality that would otherwise remain vacant.
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Most undocumented immigrants come to the United States because of work opportunities. These individuals are far more likely than the rest of the population to be in the prime of their working years, ranging in age from 25-64. Studies also indicate that undocumented immigrants are not displacing U.S.-born workers. Rather, they are filling jobs that few Americans are interested in pursuing.1 One sector, in particular, offers a striking illustration: Undocumented immigrants account for 50 percent of all hired field and crop workers, making them essential to the success and continued viability of American farms.2
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86.6 percent: Share undocumented males working
$100 billion: Surplus generated by undocumented immigrants in the Social Security program in the last decade.
$35.1 billion: Surplus generated by undocumented immigrants in the Medicare Trust Fund
48 percent: Decline in U.S. violent crime rate from 1990-2018, a time when the undocumented population tripled.
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Seems to me you are wrong,,,
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Godzillas, you said:
They target people in poverty with limited education. They welcome them to the promised land give them welfare off of taxpayer money, limit their education and job opportunities by taxing small business more
Despite financing and licensing obstacles, undocumented immigrants frequently start their own businesses. In 2014, almost 10 percent of the working-age undocumented population were entrepreneurs. In more than 20 states, they boast higher rates of entrepreneurship than either legal permanent residents or citizens of the same age group. These self-employed workers frequently create American jobs. Their companies also generated $17.2 billion in business income in 2014.
Wow,,maybe we should be calling them to come here
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Godzillas you said
To define honest and fair you have a unique point of view..I want you to do something for me. Don't count on my word then attack with "People like you" comments. That's generalizations and stereotypes.
People like you means exactly that. If describing a type of people and you are one of those than "people like you" is a proper identifier. If you feel it's an insult then you feel that your point of view is an insult.
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Godzillas, you said:
What would be prodective for you is to find out why America exists. Then find out why we fought for our independence from English rule... Then find out why we wrote our constitution.. Was it because we want to sell books like the lies from Hillary Clinton "What Happened"? Or is it a document that supports us as a nation based on a key word "sovereignty"...Why did we write it? What was the reason? What are amendments for? The original document had flaws and was either enhanced or modified by 27 amendments...Get smart, objective. Stop judging and judging me like Leo does.. I had to whip his butt for being a total asshole just before..
First, however you and Leo like to play, that is a personal matter and hope you got plenty of whatever you wanted from Leo. It's not my business.
As far as why America exists, it exists because people wanted it to exists. And because, in our country, we have freedom of expression, Hilary Clinton (you people really are fixated on her) has the right to write a book. And guess what,,,you have the right not to read it.
Our forefathers wrote the Constitution to establish the rules that a new nation would follow. A new nation that was breaking away from an oppressive one (England). That it has 27 amendments is a sign that this document is a living document. It allows our people (yes,our people who use the vote to elect representatives to govern us) to change it to fit the direction the nation is going.
And, finally, I am just as judgemental as you are and based on facts. Not "fake" or "democratic" or "extreme left" or "socialistic". Just straight facts.
BUT, I BET YOU WILL TELL ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S OK. EVERYONE ELSE WILL READ THIS EXCHANGE AND REASON (that's what smart people do)
How and why you are writing these circular books over and over is your choice and right.. If you want to believe Hillary Clinton is the angel from G_d almighty then believe it.. So what do you want from me?
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You know, like the other day?
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Fair enough.. Sent you love with an apple pie to enjoy.. My cock for you to see...There ...
lets get Communistic,,,sorry,,Socialistic,,
Not sure about the 'Absurdities' comment! Seems biased, and controversial, at best. . .
Could you maybe add some kind of profanity, maybe some racial slurs, to be MORE OFFENSIVE, with such an ignorant post, based on nothing but personal bias??
Only CRAZY FCKERS kill people and ****!! There was a mass-stabbing in China, a few months ago, and some NUT JOB stabbed and killed 9 kids, with a knife.
Maybe we need to "Proactively" ban KNIVES!!! We don't want that to happen here in the US!!
Get a grip, and post this biased nonsense on a relevant site like the NRA site, or 'Dudesthatloveguns.com!'
Most folks with common sense have no desire to kill. It is the nut jobs that have been allowed to flourish outside the insane asylum and reproduce that are the real issue.But the liberals just want to medicate them and try to understand them while they continue to kill with whatever tools are handy.
In the UK we are indeed attempting to control knives as they have become the weapon of choice for teen hooligans and druggies.
However the difference is that a knife cannot be used from a distance, from the top of a multi story hotel to kill innocent people attending a concert.
Seems that there are two sides, in this controversy: One side says it is NOT THE WEAPONS, but the lack of enforcement of the laws that already exist, and the crazy people that steal, or kill, or illegally get the weapons that they use, to do these INSANE ACTS!
The other side seems to think that a TOTAL BAN, of all weapons is the only solution. If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!!
And, BTW, don't think you can compare other nations with the US, with regards to culture, and weapons/hunting. That's just BS! Cultural differences,alone, make those just stupid arguments!
Your final paragraph really does make perhaps the most important point, US culture is totally different to that of the UK or indeed anywhere else and comparisons are pointless.
This is exemplified by this story -
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I am not taking sides or commenting, the story and the cultures speaks for themselves.
The response to a goofball was shooting and killing him.
It could happen in Europe too, but it's much much rarer because people don't carry guns in their cars.
In The US it's the other way round.
Guns are everywhere and so they're being used.
I agree with many Americans who say: ban the guns and you'll see an increase in fatalities.
That's because there's gazillions of guns and bazookas in the first place.
They've been there forever.
The problem is endemic.
It can't be solved by laws.
The solution requires change of attitude and education.
For now, guns is a religion in America.
Religious people suffer from inability to take criticism for their beliefs.
That's exactly the case with gun owners.
You can say anything in the US, it's a wonderfully free speech society, except criticise guns.
Gun criticism, to Americans, is like god criticism to a religionist.
The problem is not solvable.
It will remain until that society collapses.
(All societies collapse, sooner or later. Iy may take 500 years, sometimes more, but they collapse.)
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors.
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.
France too had a revolution from a tyranny, that of the emperors.
And yet, the French don't go around carrying bazookas any more.
If you ban everything, for citizens with legal rights, those that follow the laws, only the criminals, the ones THAT IGNORE THE LAWS, are going to still have guns, ILLEGALLY!! We've tried that, and it failed, horribly!! First, we never outlawed guns entirely. Second, lawless people already own guns and they certainly use them to hurt or kill people while they commit crimes. If we do outlaw guns and some keep them illegally then obviously, these are people who are prone to lawlessness and they should be hunted down to take their guns away.
But, right now, while the 2nd amendment is still the law of the land, how many people die because his neighbor got mad or the guy in the car next to him got mad? how many women die because they were unfaithful to their husband or boyfriend?
And how fast are you with a gun if a mugger pulls a gun on you??? Will you move to Florida where stand your ground laws allow a gun totter kill an unarmed man because the guy pushed him?
The BS comes from you with your poor arguments. Arguments that are old and proven to be false,,,,,not stupid,,
I was at a restaurant about 6 months ago,,this guy bumped a chair and the guy sitting got up and got in the other guy's face. He punched the guy that was sitting. That happens all the time. It's part of humanity. We control our hunter's instincts, but, in a moment of panic or anger, we react before we think. Perfectly sane, good people, in a moment, can kill. If there's no firearm, it's that much harder. Someone mentioned a knife, maybe you did. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to slice flesh in a fight. To feel as you cut someone like you cut a steak is not easy. A gun is impersonal, you squeeze a doohikey and it's out of your hands. Try feeling a cut artery spray you with the other person's b l o o d,,maybe on your face and mouth. I know,,i've worked in a hospital for over 20 yrs. All the arguments in the world will not change my mind. Firearms are not needed. You have your ideas,,fine, but, if you think that in this country everything is done by the vote, then let's do a national vote and the popular vote determines if we ban firearms or not.
religion.
The high capacity magazines are for when one is returning fire on a threat.
The second amendment has very little to do with hunting rights. It is about self protection from law breakers and law makers.
A gun serves two purposes
1 Do what I tell you and give me what I want.
2 Hell NO!
Trying to take guns here in the US by farce or Forc$ will be far worse than any war this country has ever fought.
This is not a logical statement.. Its like saying 1+1 does not equal 2.
The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says: ... Having just used guns and other arms to ward off the English, the amendment was originally created to give citizens the opportunity to fight back against a tyrannical federal government.Jun 28, 2017
Taking guns from people means the government wants more control over people. This is socialism, communism and fascism. Crooks will not care if it is right or not. They will just kill you with NO fear..
You can't argue with religious people.
The fact I don't trust our piss poor government with my safety and national security has nothing to do with religion.It is the simple fact they are impotent and incapable of doing anything right without fucking it up.
I fear my government almost as much as I do muslim terrorist.
1. Religion is not just belief in god or gods but belief in the irrational. The belief is so strong that no matter what evidence you provide the religionist against his/her beliefs, he/she will deny everything and get angry, roll up his sleeves and be ready to defend his beliefs by fist fight, and anger. This is what gun supporters (in the US) do. Their beliefs form a religion. Hitler was a religionist too. So was Stalin. So was Attila.
2. It is actually a fact that those who defend guns mostly, especially in the south, Texas, etc, are religious in the traditional sense, in fact, in a way that is worse than traditional: they belong to those medieval sects of christianity that characterizes US nowadays. I'm talking about the evangelical christians, the southern baptists, the pentecostals, and so on, all these primitive, backwards sects that define at least 35% of americans. Those guys are also gun owners and users. The higher the (american-type) religiosity of someone the greater the chance that he/she has guns. If you go to a typical pentecostal, say, church in the US you'll see that almost all the (deluded) individuals who go there also have guns.
The US, like Saudi Arabia, is a very backwards place as regards the religion, and they're both in top 10 countries in gun ownership in the world, the US being, of course, the number 1 champion.
I understand that you may not be a religious guy, you don't believe in gods, spirits and all that junk that most americans do, but don't judge from yourself.
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These are random references. But there's well-established research on the matters I'm talking about. Besides, it's common sense that the backwardness of the US with respect to religion is there, big time, and it has stOOpid consequences, guns notwithstanding.
Take a look at the following paper:
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Stephen M. Merino, God and Guns: Examining Religious Influences on Gun Control Attitudes in the United States, Religions 2018, 9, 189; doi:10.3390/rel9060189
Abstract: Mass shootings in the United States have generated significant media coverage and public
concern, invigorating debates over gun control. Media coverage and academic research on gun control
attitudes and reactions to mass shootings have paid little attention to the role of religion. Recent
research sheds light on the complex relationship between religion and guns, including higher rates of
gun ownership and stronger opposition to gun control among white evangelical Protestants. Using
nationally representative survey data, this study examines the relationship between religious identity,
gun ownership, and support for a range of gun control policies, including proposed remedies for
preventing mass shootings. Compared with individuals from other religious traditions, evangelical
Protestants are most opposed to stricter gun control laws and enforcement, even with statistical
controls for gun ownership and demographic characteristics. Rather, they favor individualistic
solutions and putting more emphasis on religious values in their social surroundings. I discuss how
these findings reflect the cultural tools evangelical Protestants use to construct their understandings
of social problems, including gun ****, and the broader implications for gun policy in the
United States.
Keywords: evangelical Protestants; Catholics; black Protestants; gun policy preferences; gun control;
mass shootings
But I must admit,my faith in my government has not risen any!
I hope you folks NEVER have to learn or understand why guns are important.I hope you can continue to feel safe with a "boby" riding a bicycle carrying a club and a 2 way radio.
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