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POLITICS...Pertaining to the United States of America.

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 13,Sep,22 03:10  other posts
Your views, thoughts or simply opinions. The Economy is not well (understatement). I know there are some here that will try to link the country they are residing in as problems of the USA. Sorry the USA cannot be responsible for 100% of the problems in the world nor should they be expected to help repair all problems.
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By #681164 30,Oct,23 10:23
Auto workers strike is over as union and GM reach potential deal
The United Auto Workers strike is set to end after it agreed to terms of a new contract with the third member of Detroit's Big Three.

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Is this good or bad?
By phart [Ignore] 30,Oct,23 14:21 other posts 
Not good for the consumer .Increased cost of vehicles .As if it is not already about impossible to afford 1.
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Before i could finish specing a truck to closely match what i currently use, the cost was already over 55,000 dollars.
It went to see dealer for cost soon after that. Only 6 exterior colors?
Gee,let's see here what a NON union company offers.
only registered users can see external links, 53,000 and that was everything speced!
By #681164 30,Oct,23 17:08
Most likely. Now, two things will happen. Either everything will continue as before or the vehicle prices will jump up. If the later, they may price themselves out of the market. That’s the way it is.
Why do you never worry about the price of the product,
when management and the shareholders are taking too much?
Some products have a 95% profit margin. Isn't that bad for consumers?
By phart [Ignore] 30,Oct,23 18:18 other posts 
Who is worthy of the responsibility of deciding how much is to much?
Why in the world would you invest in and build up a company, NOT to make a profit??? what a waste of time.

time to build plants in non union states or over seas, and AUTOMATE.
By #681164 31,Oct,23 09:53
Right on. Export more jobs. It’s what every worker in this nation wants.
By phart [Ignore] 31,Oct,23 10:32 other posts 
It is not what they "want" , but it is what they are going to wind up with.
Sometimes a half full glass of water is better than dehydrating.
There was a reason the little story of the goose that laid the golden egg was told to kids at a young age.
It teaches that greed will not get you good results.
perhaps a cost of living raise should be put back in place. But the 32 hour week with 40 hour pay and a raise? To much,that is called GREED.
Your answer always comes down to one thing; workers are entitled to nothing,
but the almighty employer/investor is entitled to everything.
Who is actually making the products?
Why are the people who are actually making it NOT to make a profit?

How about we create a system where workers don't need investors to profit from their labor? How about we invest as a community, and take the profits from our own work, as a community, instead of enriching a few useless ass-holes further and further?
By phart [Ignore] 31,Oct,23 11:16 other posts 
For whatever reason, you keep calling the people with the money that take the risk to invest as useless. without them, there are no jobs.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Oct,23 16:03 other posts 
Because you are really overrating that risk.

I'm trying to explain to you an alternative where we do not need private rich people to invest in things. We can organize humanity to develop public capital and then we elect independent specialist representatives, who decide which investments benefit society the most and creates the most well-paying jobs.

I'm calling them useless, because we don't need some wealthy people who only care about becoming more wealthy, to decide what priorities humanity pursues.
I want to have that decided democratically, not dictatorially.
Those wealthy people answer to no one. That's not democratic.
By phart [Ignore] 31,Oct,23 22:14 other posts 
What you propose leaves little motivation to do more than just enough to get by.
In your system, innovation would be little if any.
No gain from it for the person that has a idea or method to improve something,you pretty much would be doing away with patents, tradmarks, protections for the inventor-innovator.
THus over time, taking away any motivation to become either.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 07:56 other posts 
Nothing but dumb propaganda.

You want all the workers in America to get 'just enough to get by'.
Any time a worker fights for what more than that, you lambast them.
Their motivation is not getting rewarded in YOUR SYSTEM.
What I propose is democracy, which does reward people for doing well,
because that is what people want. Only the small minority, that you are part of, wants only the people on top getting all the rewards.

I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society. You want rich people being rewarded for using their money to just further enrich themselves, no matter the consequences to society.
My system improves society, your system just rewards selfishness.

You are leaving lots of smart people in mediocrity, because they don't have the money for a good education. Innovation requires education. We don't live in the time of Edison anymore. The light-bulb and phonograph have already been invented. Innovation requires actual hard science now. And your education system is so expensive that most people only can afford what's necessary to become head of the burger-flippers. That's making talent useless.
By tecsan [Ignore] 02,Nov,23 00:54 other posts 
You just want something for nothing except when it comes to you sharing with others that want something for nothing.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Nov,23 04:34 other posts 
I just explained what I wanted. Where do you read that I want something for nothing?

Why would I want to share with people who want something for nothing?
Or is that you referring to people who are unable to work
or are at an age that they should expect to can retire?
I want to share with people who NEED it.

And I want all people to share in democratically controlled public capital,
so we don't need to rely on wealthy people for investments anymore.
Then everyone benefits from those investments, not just the wealthy.

Your head is filled with straw-men. Why don't you actually read what I'm saying?
By tecsan [Ignore] 03,Nov,23 01:32 other posts 
I do believe you participate in capitalism, oh tired of hearing I have no choice. Sure you do, you choose to participate in capitalism because it works for you. I do read your bullshit, but most of it is just bullshit as stated. Your socialism shit will never work and you know it, but you are welcome to keep up with your pathetic endeavors. As for straw-men, think you may have a few straws too many surrounding your brain.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 03,Nov,23 04:15 other posts 
Explain my alternative way to stay alive, without 'doing' capitalism then,
while I still participate in supporting (more) socialism.

Understand that it is impossible to do socialism by yourself,
if you don't understand that, you don't understand socialism.
By tecsan [Ignore] 03,Nov,23 22:34 other posts 
That is why socialism is so great it takes too many dumbasses to make it work. Thankfully there are not that many dumbasses in one place.

You always like these libtard policies, I guess that is because you do not have to be subjected to the consequences of you're ludicrous ideology.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Nov,23 04:30 other posts 
Can you be a capitalist by yourself?

Socialism depends on COOPERATION and SOLIDARITY.
Yes, those things require other people to work.
But cooperation and solidarity uses combined strengths,
to improve the capacity, above everyone just working alone.
That's why 'socialism' has the word 'social' in it.
How can anyone be 'social' by themselves?
Who is the dumb-ass, for not understanding that?

Explain what's ludicrous about cooperation and solidarity.
By tecsan [Ignore] 08,Nov,23 01:57 other posts  ⤴
Ananas2xLekker remember SOCIALISM is your way. If you feel so strongly about it, then surely you can provide for yourself. I get it though, you would not have the comfort of all the amenities that capitalism provides. Go get a shack 100 miles from no where and provide for yourself.
By tecsan [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 02:48 other posts  ⤴
Remember Ananas2xLekker the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed. Now the almighty employer/investor has put up all of their money whether it is successful or fails. I believe the people making the product do have a little to gain, it is called a 'PAYCHECK'. Pays bills right and keeps food on the table for their family.

Wake up and realize, you become wealthy if you incur risks, otherwise you work to make a living. Yes it was possible when joey was not the pres. Many will figure this out and vote to fire his sorry ass.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 08:17 other posts 
"The wealthiest 1% holds 53% of stocks, worth $19.16 trillion. If you expand to the top 10%, that group holds 88.6% of stocks, which have a value of $28 trillion."
Most of the profit is distributed over those stock owners.

Those risks the wealthy take are only in favor of themselves.
If they win, some people might benefit from it too,
but mostly the ones 'taking the risk' win AND society looses.
And even when those risk-takers loose sometimes, the losses get
distributed to society too. Just look at those risk-takers who own banks.
Who bails them out again and again?

I want society as a whole to take those risks and reap the rewards.
Because those risks are already passed on to society, but we do not
reap the rewards. Only the 1% to 10% does and the rest of us get scraps.

Amazon is one of the most successful companies, but it destroys small and medium size businesses, doesn't pay well and doesn't pay taxes. They are not even much cheaper for the consumers, but they destroyed the income of many consumers, by destroying jobs in small and medium size businesses. This reduces your economy, but it mostly favors Jeff Bezos, Andrew Jassy, some managers and the shareholders which are mostly the wealthy.

Whether a company succeeds or not is only dependent now on how much people want their product or services and how much the company maximizes the exploitation of resources, like employees, suppliers and nature.
The company doesn't have the goal of feeding its employee's families or to benefit society, its only goal is making money for the investors, which is for the most part a tiny group of wealthy people.

Stop with you absolute bullshit about Biden or Democrats.
They have not laid one finger on capitalism.
They have only improved it, a bit.
The wealthy are making record profits.
By phart [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 10:35 other posts 
This the way innovation is "rewarded" in europe.
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There are reports of a minor incident in 1771, when the second prototype vehicle is said to have accidentally knocked down a brick or stone wall, either that of a Paris garden or part of the Paris Arsenal walls, in perhaps the first known automobile accident.[6] The incident is unrecorded in contemporary accounts, first appearing in 1804, thirty-three years after the alleged accident. Nevertheless, the story persists that Cugnot was arrested and convicted of dangerous driving, another first for him if true.[7]
Later life
Following the French Revolution, Cugnot's pension was withdrawn in 1789 and he went into exile in Brussels where he lived in poverty. Shortly before his death, Cugnot's pension was restored by Napoleon Bonaparte and he eventually returned to Paris where he died on 2 October 1804.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Nov,23 05:10 other posts 
You are talking about 1771! Innovation depended on just a few people with a good brain or being part of the science community. That innovation increased the living standards for people, but mostly for a few and the rest of the people were just slaving in huge factories, from age 12, until they died. Those people have all been replaced by robots. That was INNOVATION. It made jobs better, more productive and paying better. The wealthy people still invested in people back then, because they needed educated people for more difficult jobs and they needed people with money, to buy their products. Still, innovation was simple. Some guy in a shed could invent the 'next thing'.

For a country to succeed nowadays, they need mostly educated people.
All those jobs that don't require any education, don't pay shit.
They don't pay shit, because it doesn't contribute much to society.
It's nice that you can eat a burger, but it adds NOTHING to society.
It's low quality, unhealthy food, that creates lots of pollution.
The only reason to do this is capitalism; it enriches a few people
and it keeps all the people working there in poverty.

I have recently listed many fields of study where innovation is still possible.
All of them require higher education. All the jobs resulting from those innovations
require a higher or at least a good education. Your country doesn't have enough of those people anymore. That's why your good jobs are getting outsourced.
It leaves your country with a few good jobs for the children of rich people who could afford a higher education and it leaves the rest of the people with shit paying jobs, in the services and food sector.

That will result in a decline of your whole economy. People who get paid shit don't have money to buy stuff. The US is already mostly a consumption economy (68.1 % of its Nominal GDP), not a high tech economy, even though you have the biggest high tech companies. However, those high tech companies will either fail or outsource all the good jobs, to countries like mine, where people still can afford good education. That leaves you with the burger flippers and declining number of shelf stackers (because no one has any money to buy stuff) and some people servicing the few wealthy people. It's not a viable method to keep an economy thriving. Just look at the signs; 57% of Americans can't afford a $1000 emergency and nearly 4 in 10 Americans can't cover a $400 expense.
Between 55% to 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Poor people are horrible consumers. They only buy what they need to survive.
Their percentages will only go up and consumption will go down.
There goes the backbone of the American economy.
By #681164 01,Nov,23 09:44⤴
Tecsan, you really believe this?

“ the employee is not out anything if the company does not succeed.”

Maybe you are so well off that you don’t need a job, but, before retirement, a job was the most important part of my life. My family depended on me working.
By phart [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 10:21 other posts 
If mcdonalds failed tommorow, the burger flippers walk over to burger king and get a job. they have lost nothing else because they invested nothing else.
I know mcdonalds is not failing but just a example.

"I want motivated people doing worthwhile work, being rewarded for contributing to society.'

that reward is MONEY dummy. And what are they going to do with money? they will want it to grow into more money, so they will invest. in what though?
If they are making alot of money in a mediocre job,why would they invest it in a better education?
By #681164 01,Nov,23 10:40
Ok, let’s work with the “burger flippers”. They are in the low income bracket. If they get laid off today, it will take them at least two weeks to find a new job, pass pre-employment rig-a-morol before they start the new job. That’s, like I’ve said, at least two weeks. Then they have to wait, on the average, certainly in a big “burger flipping” company, two weeks before they get their first paycheck and, if they started in the middle of the pay period, they get only ONE week’s pay. Now, think about this employee that barely makes enough money per month to pay his bills and buy food and gas.
You don’t see this as the employee being out of something? I know I’ve got a much longer employment history than you and most have been with Fortune 500 companies. Believe me when I tell you, career employees do care for their jobs and strive to be the best. Not all can be the best, but, they all try. What gave you the idea that all people are lazy? Don’t answer that you see it all around. If you do, then you have a very narrow field of vision or a very small sample of life.
By phart [Ignore] 01,Nov,23 10:44 other posts 
Now hiring signs posted on business's everywhere I go,100 miles from home or just down the road,
A new restaurant is set to open a few miles from here, can't open yet, can't get anyone to come for interviews
By #681164 01,Nov,23 11:02
Yes, but, what I’ve just described is real at everyone of those places. And if there’s a shortage of workers, we’ll, that’s better for people looking for work. That is a problem for a business, but, it equate to laziness of the work force.


By tecsan [Ignore] 08,Nov,23 01:52 other posts 
I bet when Trump walked into the court room in NY, he said what the fuck is this hippie sob doing in here. Now Arthur has has lewd pics on the net. A supreme court judge should not do that kind of shit.


By phart [Ignore] 07,Nov,23 06:19 other posts 
When sleepy joe signed away the pipeline on his first day on the job folks like cat said it would not have helped oil prices for several years!
Well,it has been 3 years, and check this shit out.
Did you enjoy 1973?
We could be in for a repeat.
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If that pipeline had not been stomped out, it would be almost finished now and we could have told opec to go fuck themselves.
By dgraff [Ignore] 07,Nov,23 06:27 other posts 
I remember the gas rations of 1979 you could only buy gas certain days according to your license plate number and i still have a box of hat pins that say Iran 🇮🇷 sucks
By phart [Ignore] 07,Nov,23 10:18 other posts 
yea my dad was stuck out of town for a extra day because he couldn't get gas tto go home


By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,23 22:23 other posts 
biden-fetterman 2024! It's a No brainer!
By sherryann [Ignore] 22,Sep,23 23:09 other posts 

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I believe once they stole 2020 all future elections will not be worth voting in. They'll just do it again.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,23 23:19 other posts 
It will be difficult to trust the results.
At least our state got voter id.
So that will help a bit
By sherryann [Ignore] 22,Sep,23 23:23 other posts 
Yes. I hope I'm wrong but the truth is there for us with eyes wide open.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 11:04 other posts 
By tecsan [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 05:14 other posts  ⤴
My state has voter id, last time I voted, I showed them my ID without them asking and they seemed surprised. Guess they have arguments with many about it.
By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 12:33 other posts 
I went to visit a dying friend in the hospital yesterday and had to show my ID to get a pass to go to his room.
Alot of things require a ID, these folks that object to having a id to vote are hiding something. have to be, otherwise they would Want a id to be able to function in real life.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 17:58 other posts 
Phart, that's BS. It's the way you think because that's what you'd do. No matter how many times it's explained to you, you just refuse to see it. ITS THE COST IN TIME AND MONEY THAT MANY PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND.
By phart [Ignore] 14,Oct,23 07:57 other posts 
How long does it take to go by a local dmv and get your mugshot on some lexan? not so long it is time prohibitive to someone with no job
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 14,Oct,23 13:01 other posts 
I'm not talking about someone with no job. The DMV is not open after normal business hours. Someone that works but has no vacation/sick time offered in their job, would loose several hours of work/pay. The Office of Vital Statistics, is open during regular business hours and that's where you go for a birth certificate. Both cost money not to mention transportation to and from. Now, do you think an unemployed person would have a bigger incentive to do this than us employed person?
The people that have the least money to spend are the very people Republicans don't want to vote as they are mostly Democrats. I don't have a problem with voter ID. All I'm advocating for is a free and easy way to do it. Example: make election day a paid holiday. Make birth certificates be on line and make polling places able to access your birth certificate and able to give you a non-diving picture ID on polling site.
Is there a problem with that?
By phart [Ignore] 14,Oct,23 22:20 other posts 
ONline,no,to much chance for hacking.
But yes,free id, legal id,photo taken in person,not photoshopped and sent by email.
By #681164 15,Oct,23 06:26
Ok, so there are ways. Then, why won’t they?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 15,Oct,23 08:49 other posts  ⤴
How do you hack a birth certificate?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Oct,23 08:58 other posts 
if it is online, it can be hacked. IF it is printed at the hospital,and handed to the parent,kinda hard to hack that.
Besides, why didn't the hospital give the parents a birth certificate when the baby was born? I have mine in the safe,a little slip of paper,
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 15,Oct,23 11:40 other posts 
Did it have a picture of you as you look now?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Oct,23 11:56 other posts 
No but when I got my first license ,I had to present it,so it is on file that i have 1,and my current class a cdl has a picture of me,and yes I do make a face for the camera as the license are 125 bucks so i put a shocked look on my face when the camera flashes.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 18:18 other posts  ⤴
I really, really hope all Repuckers truly believe that the 2020 election was stolen and that it’s not worth voting ever again. It makes our job so much easier.
By dgraff [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 18:41 other posts 
It will be a cold day in hell before I will let you liberal creeps walk all over me the democrats in my neck of the woods are all ready feeling my wrath
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Night time reconnaissance missions if you get my drift
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 24,Sep,23 10:09 other posts 
You’re just a pussycat with a “look at me” attitude.🤣😈
By dgraff [Ignore] 24,Sep,23 10:40 other posts 
Sure what ever you say you don’t have to live in my neighborhood and that’s a good thing you would not last
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 25,Sep,23 09:10 other posts 
Haven't you heard? I go to skinheads meetings. 🤣🤣😈
By dgraff [Ignore] 25,Sep,23 11:33 other posts 
Hahaha i knew it i thought i seen you at one of the meetings
By #681164 26,Sep,23 11:48
Not a joke, Bubba.
By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 16:06 other posts 
I’m more of a KKK fan myself
By #681164 27,Sep,23 07:20
I used to be a Playboy member. Now, I’m lucky to say I’m a “boy” member.
By dgraff [Ignore] 27,Sep,23 08:15 other posts 
By sherryann [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 19:12 other posts  ⤴
well so be it, because it's crooked here anyway regardless if it's a vote for president or just local, we call it Crook County for a reason
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 24,Sep,23 10:10 other posts 
As I’ve said, “Thank you “.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 25,Sep,23 14:23 other posts  ⤴
Don't blame it on us if you guys breed crooked politicians. It's probably all that cold snowy weather
By sherryann [Ignore] 25,Sep,23 21:13 other posts 
CAT, I love my change of seasons and wouldn't like living somewhere warm all year. But then again, if I was born into that climate I'd probably like that better.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 09:18 other posts 
If I aint mistaken don't you live somewhere in a stone's throw from chicago? I aint got enough ammo to live near that place. A local fellow met a woman and they wanted to marry but she didn't want to leave her home in chicago, so he sold his place here and went up there. about 4 months ago,he was back ,He said fuck that place. he told her DIVORCE or move back here, so he is single again.
By sherryann [Ignore] 27,Sep,23 18:05 other posts 
Phart your statement "ain't got enough ammo to live near that place" is right! And those that do are not legally allowed to own a Firearm or carry.(but they're the main ones who are armed) Sadly it's the worst state for a legal gun owner or a potential gun owner just wanting to defend themselves. Your friend did the right thing and the gal was actually lucky someone cared enough about her to venture in the shithole.
By tecsan [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 20:59 other posts  ⤴
It was stolen, but I think we know how they did it and can combat it for now. Hell, I bet joey votes democrat for another 500 years.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 24,Sep,23 10:11 other posts 
Sure “Tex”, Jan 6 again?
By phart [Ignore] 15,Oct,23 11:58 other posts  ⤴
I know ,slow response to this post, but We do feel it was stolen or at bare minimum,there was issues that were never addressed to our satisfaction. BUT it will not prevent most of us from doing our civic duty and voting.
By tecsan [Ignore] 23,Sep,23 01:15 other posts  ⤴
phart I need to correct you, it is fetterBUM.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 11:56 other posts 
Your politicians make believe that they support the working class and completely show themselves to be lying elitists pricks, who shit on the working class.

At least John Fetterman is the real deal. He doesn't just really support the working class, he also dresses like the working class. He's not just showing that he craps on those elitist pricks, he's also triggering them, to make them show their true colors.
And you are dumb enough to help him make that point.
By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 16:12 other posts 
I heard John fetterman is wanted by the FBI for murder and **** he’s accused of killing time and fucking the state of Pennsylvania
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 16:29 other posts 
Obviously a very trustworthy source.
Why don't they arrest him then? They know his whereabouts.
By dgraff [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 18:44 other posts 
Yeah the mental hospital seeking attention for depression
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 13:23 other posts 
He had his problems, but he's much better now.

Do you understand how much voters disliked Dr. Oz, to prefer someone
who was a definite risk of not being able to represent them?
That's a clear confirmation that people like a working class representative.
The voters understood very well that Dr. Oz was an elitist prick,
who was only acting to care about the working man.

If all Democrats were real populists like Fetterman, Republicans would
never win another election. That's why you dislike him so much.
By tecsan [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 04:06 other posts 
See your little shining star bum ( Ananas2xLekker ) was wearing a suit last date.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 13:09 other posts 
Oh no, did he. I know he has one, I saw it before.
But, I hope he doesn't cave and starts wearing it all the time.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 11:05 other posts  ⤴
fetterman has some college education but he sure does not act like it NOW and a man that has a issue with even DRESSING for the job he was put in, lacks what it takes to be a leader.
If you read about him on wilpedia, he has been charged with tax evasion and chasing down a BLACK Man with a shotgun.
He aint a saint by no means.
And although I have said it more than once,I can appreciate his desire to provide community service,he should NOT be where he is,his mind is not up to the task and he is actually a distraction and harms the democrat party in being so.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 13:25 other posts 
Chasing a black man with a shotgun and evading taxes is
sort of a prerequisite to become a Republican politician.
Do you like him more now?

I'll have to look into a bit more. It might make me like him less.
I think his mind is up to the task now, but I agree it was tricky.
Giving the choice between him and Dr. Oz, that's an easy one.
A potato is a better choice than another elitist prick hurting people.

I thought his outfit would be just a distraction hurting the party,
but it turns out not to be. It triggers the right-wing media and
Republicans to show their incredible hate for the working-class,
which will turn off most hard working Americans, except for you lot.
It might finally show some Fox'News' viewers how fake their populism is.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 14:22 other posts 
Working class people wear the clothes suitable for their jobs.
And a SUIT is what is SUITABLE for congress.He knew that congresmen wear suits on the job before he applied.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 16,Oct,23 12:57 other posts 
Working class people were clothes that are practical or a necessity to do the jobs safely. When people ignore that, people can get hurt.
Congressman wear clothes that are customary. It's good to challenge customs every now and then, to investigate what purpose they serve. If that purpose is to elevate themselves above the rest of the people, that should be challenged, because democracy should be performed by people who serve the public trust, not the dominate the public to serve themselves.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Oct,23 14:11 other posts 
Why would a leader want to look just like the followers?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 17,Oct,23 11:59 other posts 
When you're talking about a 'leader', is that democracy?
I want the people that I vote for to represent me not lead me.

Understand that I'm not disagreeing with some clothing standards for politicians. However, what I saw hear was an incredible disdain over someone who disagreed with your standards about appearances, calling him disrespectful, while your politicians show no decorum at all. When a Republican disrespects everything that used to be good manners, you like it, but when a Democrat just wears the clothes of a normal working class person, all of your party shows how they hate normal working class people. That was a very useful demonstration and it's very possible that Fetterman intended that. If he did, they all walked into his trap, like very dumb rats.

Actually I have criticized one of my elected representatives once, for being too casually dressed. I thought it was useful that he got noticed, as third of a small party, but when he kept dressing too casually, it became an unfavorable distraction. Every time he opened his mouth, the chairwoman addressed his clothing, which was cutting into his speaking time. He only got noticed for his looks and not his words. So I wrote an email to my party, asking them to buy him some clothes, to make him comply with the dress code, while still allowing him to look as cool as possible. I just wanted him to stand out, without getting interrupted. I added that it would be good strategy, because he didn't get noticed anymore for looking shabby, so next he could get noticed again for looking cool within the rules. They answered me that they would forward him my email, but that it would be all up to his own responsibility.

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By phart [Ignore] 17,Oct,23 17:20 other posts 
Working class people don't dress like fetterman did while on their jobs. that is getto 'hood style dress of gangsters,hoodlums and people up to no good,I seriously doubt he actually "represents" many people as far as how they look. he was voted in to get help get pot and dope legal
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 18,Oct,23 07:12 other posts 
Oh, thanks, I'm wearing a hoodie, right now, while working.
From home, so I don't have to be presentable.

Always focusing on how gangsters and hoodlums are dressed.
The biggest criminals were the nicest suits. They don't steal a car radio for a line of crack, they steal the pensions of a million old folks or sell opioids like candy. They cut some costs for brakes on trains, so a whole town gets poisoned when the train derails. Or they bribe politicians to allow high levels of lead and mercury in drinking water and conceal it. They kill more people than all hoodie wearing gangsters combine. They just do it more slowly, giving people cancer. Then some other suits can make billions raking in the dividend for all those overpriced cancer treatment.

The worst criminals also never go to prison for any of their crimes,
against the whole of humanity at once.

Sure, you have a point that Fetterman was too casually dressed.
And I would have agreed with that point, if that point was made, instead all the hate for the common man came out. It really was a nice spectacle, showing what they are really all about. They represent the billionaire class, not the average guy.

(Working..., when I'm not procrastinating, by commenting on these forums.
Better get back to it now, or I won't get in my 8 hours.)
By phart [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 11:11 other posts 
-Why would you be wearing a hoodie? Are you trying to hide your identity from someone you are stealing from? Trying to keep people from seeing the evil in your eyes?
Hoodies are used for that reason.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 11:47 other posts 
OMG, are you living in 1950?

They are just casual fashion. I never wear the hood of the hoodie.
It's just difficult to find a sweater vest without the hood.
By phart [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 17:42 other posts 
No I live in a time when thieves and thugs put their hands in the pockets of the "hoodies" and have the hoods pulled tight around their heads so you can't see them to Id them while they commit crimes ,like break in to cars and so forth.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Oct,23 02:58 other posts 
Fetterman never wore the hood pulled tight around his head.
There are millions of people wearing hoodies just for comfort.

There are actually lots of people working in my office on site wearing a hoodie too. We all got one with the company logo on it, and because the air-conditioning is often turning the office into a fridge, that warm hoodie gets used a lot. There are not many people walking around in suits. When someone is wearing a suit, they are most likely having meetings with oversees clients or the FDA. I wore a suit to the office twice, for internal job interviews, and that was overdressing. They asked me if I wore a suit often. I made the joke that I have one, paid a lot of money for it, so I wanted to still get some use out of it.

If you think everyone wearing a hoodie is a gangster, I understand
your anxiety. You wouldn't feel safe in my company's offices.

When I say that the biggest crooks wear the nicest suits, I don't turn it around and assume everyone wearing a nice suit is a crook. However, when I require a financial service, I get more on guard the flashier the suit is that they are wearing. It's not just the suit though, I can tell when they are trying to use their image to make you decide on trust. That's what the crooks do, but I don't make my financial decisions on trust.
If you do, you are getting fooled.
By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 01:35 other posts  ⤴
Ananas2xLekker Maybe Palestinians in Gaza should follow your advice.

When you're talking about a 'leader', is that democracy?
I want the people that I vote for to represent me not lead me.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 11:54 other posts 
They definitely could use my advise, but it wouldn't be of much use to them.
Palestinians don't have a democracy. Hamas is not an elected party.
Just like the Taliban in Afghanistan isn't an elected party.
As a citizen, you either accept their rule or get murdered.
Do I really have to explain things like this? Isn't it 'common sense'?
By phart [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 17:43 other posts 
We aint had any trouble out of the Taliban lately though have we?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Oct,23 03:11 other posts 
Who are the 'we' you're talking about?
The Taliban controls the whole of Afghanistan.
They told the Afghans they would be nicer this time,
but it's one of the strictest versions of sharia law now.
And because the west is sanctioning the country very strictly,
the only way for any Afghan to get food is through the Taliban.
The Taliban mostly fund themselves with opium production,
but they also get 'charity' from the gulf states, your oil buddies.

Unless you don't have heroin addicts any more, the Taliban gives you
lots of trouble.
By tecsan [Ignore] 29,Oct,23 01:50 other posts  ⤴
I really thought that Hamas beat Fatah 44-41% in 2006. Was that corrupt like here in 2020.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 31,Oct,23 16:10 other posts 
How many dictators do you know that were democratically elected?
Putin was elected. Now he just has some sham election every few years.
Even North Korea has elections where the Kim family always wins.
It's called a 'no-choice' parliamentary election.
Palestinians do not even get a sham or 'no-choice' election.

Unless the Palestinians have election periodically and alternatives to vote for other than Hamas, you can't say that they support Hamas now.
Have you done an anonymous poll?
By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 01:37 other posts  ⤴
I am sure fetterbum is right by wearing practical and necessary clothing.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 09:41 other posts  ⤴
You don't fully recover from mental problems, your symptoms are kept under control.
By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 01:32 other posts 
He phart biden is a perfect example of what you stated.
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By tecsan [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 23:53 other posts  ⤴
Ananas2xLekker when are you going to learn that it is hard to prosecute a lib. You and I both know the libs bury evidence with red tape. I do not know how it works in the Netherlands and obviously you do not know how things here work either.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Sep,23 04:31 other posts 
Bullshit, there are just as much conservative judges as liberal judges.
It's just the victim complex talking that you have been indoctrinated with.
Isn't Bob Menendez now getting what he deserves?

It's hard to prosecute a lib, WITHOUT EVIDENCE! That's how it should be.
Get the evidence and libs go down just as hard.
So why is there no evidence? Either they are not doing it or they are just smarter.

Your problem is that you want to prosecute libs, WITHOUT EVIDENCE!
That's you not caring about LAW AND ORDER.

If there is someone using red tape to its maximum, it's Trump!
If he's so innocent, then why is he constantly delaying and obstructing?
Trump can justify every action, IF HE SHOWS THE EVIDENCE about the election being stolen. He hasn't provided anything! And he had 60 court cases, to do so.

However, all the evidence shows that Trump is guilty of massive election fraud,
and he planned his election fraud WAY AHEAD OF THE ELECTION.
Trump didn't believe that there was going to be fraud by Democrats or their voters, he was doing it HIMSELF. The accusations towards Democrats were just part of the plan, to get his stupid followers to help him.

Trump just didn't understand that Mike Pence is a REAL believer, who believed helping Trump to crush democracy would send him TO HELL, FOR SURE.
Pence wasn't going to sacrifice his soul for Trump. He knew Trump lost
or he would have surely helped Trump to get his win.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 21:27 other posts  ⤴
Yea, look at biden marching with those over paid auto workers. While the pizza delivery guys and the carpentors and the trash truck drivers could use a raise ,he goes and supports people already making plenty of money wanting EVEN MORE and wanting to do LESS to get it.I am looking forward to the companys getting their ducks in a row, and saying "ok here is you a raise and etc". And a few months later, "Ok folks if you would please program your replacement robots!" You will no longer be needed,hope you can learn a new job to earn a living!"
By tecsan [Ignore] 26,Sep,23 23:56 other posts 
Hey phart did you notice joey needed a megaphone to talk to that small crowd, probably so he would be heard over the 'fuck joe biden' chants.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Sep,23 05:03 other posts 
Did you see Joe lately? We know he can hardly make audible sound.
But his ability is not consistent what what you make him out to be.
He's still being more coherent, than your narcissist failure ever was.

They probably gave Joe some Adderall, but he's doing his job.
The actual Pro-Worker Party voters want him to support strikes.
Republicans show their true colors again. They hate working people.
By tecsan [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 03:49 other posts 
Come on Ananas2xLekker, I bet you are waiting for the old fart to fall again like all of us are waiting for the same.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 13:33 other posts 
I think your democracy is dependent on him doing well.
Or deciding to stop now and announce a primary election.
But, if Biden is the candidate, I need him to do his best,
because any of those Republicans, I saw on stage, winning in 2024,
would be devastating for everyone. They are all evil morons.
Even the ones I dislike the least would be disastrous.
"over paid auto workers"?
Damn you are cucked by the wealthy, always picking their side.

When the car manufacturers almost went bankrupt, all those auto workers
took harsh pay-cuts, with the guarantee that they would get back the pay,
when the car manufacturers were back on their feet. Now they are making
huge profits again and the CEO's gave themselves a 40% increase in pay,
while not delivering on their promise. Fuck them then; STRIKE!!

If car manufacturers can automate more, they will do it.
It doesn't matter how good of a slave their employees are.
Until then, they should pay a good wage, so their employees
can send their kids to a good school, so they can be less
replaceable by robots, than their working class parents.
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Trump says that the UAW should endorse him and not Biden,
because somehow Trump thinks he's more pro-worker.
Now he's going to hold a speech to the auto-workers too,
NON-UNION truck parts supplier (Drake Enterprises), after being invited by their management in an event organized by
the National Right to work Foundation, an anti-union organization.

"Biden Makes History With UAW While Trump Applies Clown Makeup"
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By phart [Ignore] 27,Sep,23 15:02 other posts 
Under the current contract negotiated in 2019, full-time unionized factory workers start off at around $18 an hour and can earn up to $32 an hour. UAW base wages have risen an average 6% since their last contract in 2019, the union said.2 days ago
That is damn good money for installing a lug nut or welding a short bead on a metal joint as something moves along to the next guy.
Those jobs are so simple and "safe" they could do them in their sleep .No real education needed either.
By tecsan [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 03:52 other posts 
You know the wages you stated above are pretty high and I bet an average high school grad would love to do the work they do for the pay they get.

Hell, I know many that would take their striking asses jobs. But, remember they are striking because of you know who and the ass shows up to try and show support (just for a photo op). I think we all see through his so called 'bidenomics'.

Could someone please explain 'bidenomics' to the fool.
As I understand most autoworkers work in shifts.
Then I think $18/hour is pathetically low.
$32 isn't bad. I would make about the same, if I went back
to work in production, in shifts. My job would have a bit more
skill requirements, but it would be way less physically demanding.

And it depends when they get that $32/hour. If that is the absolute maximum,
they would reach that just before they retire.
Or they would need to be supervisor.

In any case, you are arguing why workers don't deserve what they get,
but their CEO's make $20 - $40 million per year. Why do they deserve it?
They recently almost destroyed the whole car sector in your country.
The tax-payer had to cough up money to save all their asses.
And they can hardly compete with European and Asian car manufacturers.
They are not making, inventing, improving or solving anything.
The only thing they are doing is squeezing out maximum profit for share holders.
By phart [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 15:31 other posts 
what is wrong with shifts? It keeps the factory machinery productive 24 - 7 if need be, no over time needed to get the same work done that would require it with normal 8 hour days.
NO need for equipment to sit idle 16 hours a day when it can be making money. 18 a hour is good money for a new hire, longevity is what gets you to the 32.Incentive to stay and give the company back something for what it invest in you, workers comp ,insurance paid leaves and etc.NO free rides.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 15:33 other posts 
"what is wrong with shifts?"
You die younger. I did it for 10 years and still suffer some consequences.

"NO free rides." Except for CEO's and share holders.
By phart [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 15:39 other posts 
HOW? You go to work and you leave work,a set number of hours. Some work nighs,some work days. THe annoying thing is when the company switches people's shifts on a sequence. Left to work 1 or the other, people adapt and do well.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 28,Sep,23 16:56 other posts 
sleep deprivation from having to ignore your internal clock all the time is very unhealthy.
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My internal clock is damaged. I need melotinin tablets every evening to be able to sleep. However, my internal clock is slowly healing. Years back, I needed 5 tablets to sleep and now I'm down to two. If I take more, I sleep faster, but wake up earlier. I do this sometimes when I need to get up early.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 13:01 other posts  ⤴
I worked the graveyard shift for a while (hospitals are a 24 hr operation). I was always tired. The bedroom was never dark enough. Family time was inconvenient. Some things have to be done during normal hours. It was a mess. I was paid a substantial pay differential but I gave it up. Not worth it.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 17:41 other posts 
To you personally, it was not worth it perhaps but the 3rd shifters I knew, they made it just fine for 30 years of it. the folks that work second shift,they actually seem to have the better of both worlds,they can run errands,go by the bank and so forth,still get some sleep and then go to work. The drive is safer,less traffic and so on.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 08:22 other posts 
You don't know that. Doing it for 30 yrs doesn't mean they liked it
By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 17:35 other posts 
if they didn't they would have changed. I do know for sure 1 of them did it so he didn't have to sleep with his wife!
He said so! he used the daylight hours to run a barber shop. Made a killing doing that.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 17:54 other posts 
You knew one. Working in one of the biggest hospitals in the nation and in the department I worked in, I knew thousands of employees. The night shift people mostly didn't like it. Seniority and job availability was a huge reason for working it but few liked it.
You're definitely right about the advantages of shift work.
Since I left the shift, until the pandemic, traffic was murder.
Getting up before 6 am every day also takes its toll.
But, that still was better than shift work, that was clear to me.
Leaving the shift was a pay cut for me too, that took years to gain back.
And I had to work more hours too. But my health was worth all of it.

However, I mostly left the shift, because of a way more interesting job.
Now I really have the best of all worlds, working from home.
I can even procrastinate a lot and still get my work done to satisfaction.

Shift-work is tough, even while I was able to sleep well after the night shift.
In my previous house, I made plywood shutters in front of my windows.
In my current house, I invested in electric blinds immediately.
My bedroom is very dark, even at noon in the summer. It helped a lot.
By phart [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 11:13 other posts  ⤴
Well the companys are laying off employees, so that is helping to fix the real problem.no need to keep em around if they aint going to work.
I just read yesterday GM is backing the electric pickup deal off for a year.I think the Lighting from ford taught them a lesson, don't bring out a truck that cant' "WORK" like a truck.I am hoping they are investing in more automation as well so they can lay off more of these lazy strikers.
By #681164 15,Oct,23 06:35⤴
Mr Phart, I don’t know what you are used to but, $18 to $32 per hour is crap. I took my two grandkids to Burger King and we had two kids meals and one regular meal for me. Total was $28. The wages you are quoting are wages they used to pay in the 1990’s. It doesn’t matter how easy the work is or the education of the employee. If he can do the job, then he’s the one needed. If the work is so easy to do, then, why doesn’t the factory hire new employees?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 29,Sep,23 11:36 other posts  ⤴
Bullshit, Phart. If the pizza guys get an union and decide to strike, if they are big enough, then I could see Old Joe walking with them too.
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 10:10 other posts 
Yea, and people will just order subs and chinese take out and let them walk around till they get hungry and they will go back to work.That is the way common sense would deal with the issue
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 13:04 other posts 
Are you trying to be dense? If customers stop buying pizza, THE OWNERS OF THE PIZZA JOINTS will settle. Why do you only contemplate the obvious and ignore the consequences and eventual outcome?
By phart [Ignore] 12,Oct,23 17:38 other posts 
since bankruptcy is ok if Trump doesn't do it, so what if the owners go bankrupt? If i ran a company and the workers tried to unionize, I would purposely sell to the chinese just to make damn sure they got screwed back
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 07:06 other posts 
And that is called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Sorry, baby,
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By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,23 17:36 other posts 
Yea, it's fucked up for sure,but it would damn sure show the lazy fuckers wanting to strike for even MORE money they already make that the employer does have the final say. as they can take away the jobs and send them away elsewhere.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Oct,23 12:20 other posts 
Why are workers lazy if they want more money and not employers?
If employers cannot make a good profit, while paying their workers well,
than those employers are too fucking lazy, to manage their business right.

Pay good wages, get good employees and destroy the competition,
that's how a competent business person does it. They are rare, but they exist.
They are rare, because most of them were raised to think they own people.
That's why the billionaire class is so damaging; all spoiled useless idiots.
Just because their parents made it, doesn't make them any good at business.
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 03,Nov,23 10:32 other posts  ⤴
It looks like the employer did not have the final say
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 03,Nov,23 10:34 other posts  ⤴
It looks like the employers did not have the final say.
By tecsan [Ignore] 14,Oct,23 00:36 other posts  ⤴
We have to fight the lazy left. Use they're own tactics. Seems fair to me. Just look at what is presently happening. Do these people even have a brain?
By CAT-2 [Ignore] 14,Oct,23 10:25 other posts 
Do you?
You are lazy, with your arguments.
You cannot do anything but fighting straw-men.
It's the laziest argument the right-wing has.

You don't even know why you have the ideas that you have.
If you would know, you could argument your ideas better.
It's called 'intellectual laziness'.


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