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A Transgender too far?

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Started by Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 17,Apr,22 11:16  other posts
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Just a few paragraphs from the article. Funny how everyone demands to be treated equally... and in the next sentence demand special treatments... This trend has to be one of the most egregious things pushed by the lib left...

“I worry that people will accuse me of setting the train in motion, as part of those who advocated the affirmative approach to gender in youth, even though that’s not a reasonable account of what happened.”

She believes that the dramatic rise in teens seeking treatment is likely driven by peer pressure as much as wider acceptance of trans issues.

“A fair number of kids are getting into it because it’s trendy,” she previously told the Washington Post. “I think in our haste to be supportive, we’re missing that element.”

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By phart [Ignore] 17,Apr,22 18:59 other posts 
I am sorry but I feel like a responsible parent would not allow medical treatment or surgery's on a child under 18.
Once surgery take place ,or medicine takes away hormones, the damage or changes are done. Regardless of how the person feels later in life .And it seems that depression and suicide rates are high in transgender people as well.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Apr,22 11:33 other posts 
Could it be that depression and suicide rates are high under transgender people,
because they are not accepted?
By phart [Ignore] 20,Apr,22 12:32 other posts 
Well bear with me, what does being accepted mean now adays?
If it means using the same roads,the same stores ,paid the same for work and so on,I can't see there being a issue.
If it means a obvious male wearing a skirt and lipstick walking into a female restroom,I can see that being unacceptable for many reasons.

I feel like alot of the issue is underlying. As in, they can't accept who they are themselves ,and that the mental issues surrounding that are amplified by the fact that others don't accept them for what they think they are.
Accept who and what you are born as,and move on.
cutting 1's dick off does not make you female. It makes you a mutilated human being.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Apr,22 16:55 other posts 
"obvious male wearing a skirt"
That's why they want the puberty blockers! They need that medical treatment.
So they can stop becoming a man, until they are old enough to choose.
They need that, because cutting 1's dick off does not make you female.
You are saying it yourself! Do you understand the problem now?

They want to be a woman and you force them to be a 'obvious male wearing a skirt'.
That is not accepting them and that causes the depression and high suicide rates.

By saying "they can't accept who they are", you are not even accepting their existence. It's just a mental health issue to you.
By phart [Ignore] 20,Apr,22 20:25 other posts 
Well, prove it is not a mental health issue?
There is no more proof that it isn't than there is proof it is.
So therefore, for the safety of the person involved,nothing should be done until they are old enough.
If they are male,dress as male until old enough,as in 18.
We don't ask 14 year olds to go to war,we don't allow them to drive a car,we dont' allow them to drink and etc,because they are not mature enough. Why suddenly are they mature enough to change their bodys design?
If you look at the issue from all sides,there is to much room for error to allow things to happen to kids to young.
If a kid says it can fly, do we give it wings? If a kid age 5 says he fly a plane,do we give them a pilots license? No,they are not mature enough to understand.
So why is it when a boy says he is a girl,do we suddenly think it is ok to pump them full of medicine? Can you not see how there is contradiction here?
When a kid is under 18,it is the responsibility of it's parents,So if the parents push a boy to take medicine to be a girl,and wear skirts,and it becomes 30 years old and wakes up wondering "what the hell happened to me and why?" ,will that person be able to sue the parents, doctors and so on for the harm done?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 04:27 other posts 
If it is a mental health issue, it is one that has affected many millions of people all over the world, even in countries where that can get them killed, with historical references dating back thousands of years. There were cultures where those people were accepted or even honored. It's just religion who invented the idea that those people should be shunned, repressed, banished or murdered.

It is mostly biological. Many animal species show similar behavior.
However it only affects about at maximum 10% of the population.
Off course there are also people who just like to experiment. There are men, who feel 100% manly, but like to dress-up sometimes. There are also men who don't feel any attraction to men, but still like cocks. There are women who are straight, but just think men are stupid animals and therefore prefer women. Some men get mostly aroused by women's feet. People get their sexual arousal from different things. Should all of that be BANNED, BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT?

You are always talking about people's own responsibility. This is part of that.
People should be able to make up their own mind. That's FREEDOM!

Do you understand that waiting until they are adults, ruins their chances to fully transition? You understand 'just cutting of your dick' doesn't make you a woman.
That's true, if they don't start taking puberty blockers, before their bodies start changing to that of a man, they will never be able to transition fully to a passable woman.

It's the responsibility of parents to understand the needs of their children.
Do you even have examples of parents who pushed their child to transition?
Even if you can find a few, there are many more examples of transsexual people who were not supported by their parents and therefore became what mockingly call an 'obvious male wearing a skirt and lipstick'. They have been denied the opportunity to make their decision, even if they had it when they were the arbitrary age of 18.
Why 18? Why not 16, when they can drive a car or 21, when they can drink?
Why can children get married in some states with parental consent?

Parents cannot decide by themselves that their child should be another gender.
They are obligated to seek professional help. You always see the worst in people, thinking they would do something like this against the will of their child. Being 'woke' means being 'awake'! It means listening to people, when they tell you something.
It means when a boy plays with dolls from young age, tells them he isn't a boy, shows girlish behavior, even looks like a very girly boy, talks about 'liking' other boys, wants to dress like a girl and keeps that up until early teenage, you should not force that boy to become more manly, start 'liking' girls and become a man. That would be against their NATURE, because nature isn't precise in making people with XY chromosomes into men who want to have sex with women and people with XX chromosomes into women who want to have sex with men. In humans, about 10% gets a mismatch in their development. THAT IS PROVEN. Don't you know? It is an issue in sports, because women with XY chromosomes could be stronger than women with XX chromosomes. Having the 'wrong' chromosomes is just not the only way people can have a mismatch with their genetic sex. That's where the whole LGBTQIA+ originates from.

If there were parents who forced their children to be something they didn't want to become, that is child abuse and that person could sue their parents. How about if they didn't support the child's wishes then? Should they sue their parents?
And what will that change? It's too late when they were kept waiting until 18.

Or how about if conservative law forces children to become the gender they didn't want to be? Should they be able to sue the lawmakers?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 10:40 other posts 
no,you just said,they are only 10% of the population at most,so why can't they understand that the majority rules?
these boys that transistion from youth,get married as a woman, what is going to happen when they turn 40 and have prostate cancer? How will they explain that to the husband that married them as a woman that they have a MALE disorder?
Waiting to long to change,yea, look at bruce jenner, ugly old man,now a ugly old woman in a dress,BUT Even he agrees that males don't belong in womens sports,and him wearing a dress while saying it.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 11:08 other posts 
"why can't they understand that the majority rules?"
Because it is about personal freedom and it doesn't affect anyone else.
People also have freedom of religion, even if it's a religion of 10% of people.
I might not agree with Christian fundamentalists, but if they don't bother anyone else with their religion, it's their personal freedom. Even though it's very harmful
for their children's mental development.

Do you think they wouldn't tell their partner? Off course they will. They also need to explain why they are not able to get children. And sorry, but those operations are not (yet) good enough, that you won't be able to see.

All your last arguments are all up to their own personal freedom.
They are not affecting other people enough to justify denying them that freedom.

Bruce Jenner didn't get puberty blockers and was a man for a long time.
All his male characteristics were fully developed and therefore his transition
was not the most successful.

That 10% includes gay people. Would you deny their right to exist too?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 10:55 other posts 
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The only thing that is more saddening than a person who is confused about themselves is a society that encourages that confusion
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 11:27 other posts 
Even if it was just confusion, people have the right to be confused.
How about flat earth believers? Should they be 'treated' for their confusion?
By phart [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 12:00 other posts 
they are beyond help
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 12:10 other posts 
No they don't, they need puberty blockers, hormones and surgery.
And then most live happily ever after. But you don't want to listen to them.
By the way, flat earth believers are not that far removed from climate change deniers.

Climate science is a bit more recent (about 2400 years) than spherical earth science, but it's not less concrete. It just takes a little bit more brain-matter to understand modern science than ancient science. However, the principles of science haven't changed for 2500 years. It's still drawing conclusions based on empirical evidence.
Interesting that you still could watch this video, because I read it was taken down for "violating YouTube's policy on spam, deceptive practices and scams."

"Helena Kerschner began taking testosterone at the age of 18. She was lured into the realm of trans ideology, and believing that she was not female, after delving into online fan fiction communities."

What a weak brain you need to have, if someone can tell you you're not a woman, but a man. I don't believe her. She made that choice, regretted it and now blames others for her mistake. And now she's trying to make money of telling right-wingers what they want to hear. Right-wingers love ex-trans, ex-gay, ex-liberal or ex-anything they hate. If ex-black was a thing, you would see them all over FoxNews. Now we just have the self hating black people, because you eat that up too.
By phart [Ignore] 25,Apr,22 08:18 other posts 
What a weak brain YOu would need to have to believe the stuff you just typed!
You look at a male bovine, "cow", it has a penis and testicals. You look at a male horse, a stud ,it has a penis and testicals. You look at a male human being it has a penis and testicals. You look at a male dog,well by now you SHOULD see the point.
How can you not look in your pants and NOT see what you are in PLAIN SITE??????
Now the issue comes in when others don't explain simple physical anatomy with their kids.
It is not in the mind,it is obvious on the body.

Why is it when folks break into ancient tombs and find mummys that they are only male or female?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Apr,22 11:19 other posts 
I was talking about people who could be 'lured' into believing they are trans.
It is your argument that people who are thinking they are trans are just indoctrinated by woke parents who want to damage their kids.

I understand that people can be indoctrinated to believe almost anything, but not to believe they are trans or gay.
Do you think you could have been convinced you are trans or gay, if your parents would have wanted to do that?

It's not a large group, but you completely ignore people who are not born with the complete parts for a woman or a man. Nature fucks up sometimes. I imagine you at least support reconstructive surgery, so they can be fully man or fully woman, instead of somewhere in between.

You can tell children only what you want them to hear, but then some of them (ca. 10%) would still know they don't fall in love with the opposite sex or they don't like being the sex they were born into. Off course you can repress them, even throw them in prison or reeducation camps or just kill them, but why?
Is that for their own best interest? Or just for your insecurities?

You think that mummy story is convincing, but even that one is wrong.
Some people have been different for thousands of years. It's natures way.

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By phart [Ignore] 25,Apr,22 14:11 other posts 
If parents do their jobs ,they teach the kid the right way to do things and so forth .As I have explained, there is male, and female .That is defined by physical design and ability's to recreate .
While you are trying to say it fine to teach kids men can have babies ,the chinese are teaching their kids math and skills,Gee I wonder why they are rising so fast in the wordl??

IF gender is not real,why teach it at all? Why bring it up at all? Apparently it is real,some jsut want to defy.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,May,22 18:42 other posts 
Why is that the 'right way'? Why is it right to force people to be something against their will? Or do you still believe in the fantasy that parents make that up? You have such a low opinion on people; the like torturing their children, they are lazy, they are too stupid to use a condom, they think of viruses and vaccines to subjugate people, they start a conspiracy around climate chance to ... eh...why exactly? Well that's another topic.
But then you want to tell people what they can and can't do. That's not right! People should to be free to do as they want, unless it affects other people.

There is not just male and female, there is a minority of people who are both from birth. People with a vagina and XY chromosomes exist. People with a small penis and a vagina, but without a womb exist.

"defined by physical design"? What design? Do you support intelligent design? Were people designed just like this or evolved from the common ancestor of us and apes or mammals, or fish or single celled organisms? What do you actually believe that support your idea that our 'design' matters?
We were not designed with tattoos or rings through our ears, nose, nipples, dicks or whatever people do. Do you want to forbid that too.

Some women can't have babies. Are they not women?

Does telling kids that there are people who are gay or trans make them incapable of learning math? Actually your conservative ideas are helping Christians push teaching intelligent design or pure creation as a theory and prevents teachers to teach evolution, logic skepticism and the scientific method to kids. Those are way more important than math. The Chinese are outperforming you, because they don't have all that religious baggage weighing them down.

Sex is real, it's just not as 'either, or' as you make it out to be. Gender is a just sociological construct that boys get a blue romper and girls a pink one. It's learned behavior. That is 'designed' by culture. There are no biological reasons for that. In fact pink used to be a color worn by men and blue worn by girls. only registered users can see external links

If parents do their job, they just listen to their kids. Sometimes (around 3%) it's a phase, than it will go away. If it's not, your ideas will not help, but harm them.
They will only end up transitioning without their parents support later, but then their transition would be less complete and you will be confronted with 'men
in dresses' a lot more.

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By bearcub [Ignore] 13,May,22 17:25 other posts 
The only proven treatment for gender dysphoria is transition. That's it.

If you're thinking "if we just gave them therapy..." then believe it or not, that has been tried. The suicide rate for trans people only goes down with affirmative medical care, ie transition.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,May,22 19:15 other posts 
The conservative are all so concerned that parents would change the sex of their children. Strange hobby that. Also a very expensive hobby in the US, with their for profit healthcare system. But they at least have not much trust in that healthcare system, because they think surgeons are so greedy that they would operate on a kid that was dragged in while crying and screaming "No, I don't want you to cut my willy off!".


By MY_Guy [Ignore] 13,May,22 01:02 other posts 
I have some friends, in their late-30s and early 40's and for over a DECADE, they have been seeing various counselors, that seem to be the ones who decide if they can be who they really are!
Some people are obviously trans, from birth, and how they play, and interact with other children, as they grow up.

Some, now, it seems like some 'Fad' and some popularity thing, as there is so much of this, and just crammed down the public's throat!

The ones, I know, just want to be who they feel, and don't want anyone to celebrate that, or have parades, or any BS, but just be who they are, and be accepted, as they really are!

Today, so much drama, and BS on some channels, and so sick of BS being just crammed down on me in commercials, or shows, with so many just wanting their 15 minutes of fame!!


By phart [Ignore] 02,May,22 15:42 other posts 
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Parents should not be left out of something like this.

This is just to much.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 07:13 other posts 
"A public university in Ohio has agreed to pay $400,000 to one of its professors after it rebuked him for refusing to use a student’s preferred pronouns."

Oh, sure, I have to believe that professor only refused to call that student by their preferred pronouns? It smells like another twisting-of-the-truth job.

I know the US has a sue culture, but trans people get denied their preferred pronouns every day. I'm sure he is an awful bigot and he hurt that student in lots of other ways.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 10:34 other posts 
Where is all the evidence of the "hurt"? No bruises,no cuts,no bleeding,no physical aliments. so it's all in the mind eh? So is the rest of it.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 12:36 other posts 
Weren't you defending Will Smith for hitting Chris Rock?
Did Jada have bruises, cuts, bleeding or physical ailments?
So you understand words can hurt. And that was just one joke.

If a teacher ridicules a student in front of the class, that can cause tremendous harm.
It could lead to violence from other students, isolation, mental abuse and reprisals to harm study results. Those high depression and suicide rates are not just caused by the personal struggle, but often more by the emotional abuse from other people.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Apr,22 17:45 other posts 
The fact the joke was made was justification for the slap far as i am concerned.
When someone realizes they don't fit in, and blatantly refuse to do anything to even try, what gives them the privilege of expecting to be immune to ridicule?
Being different has it's repercussions.
Accepting those repercussions is part of the being different.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Apr,22 06:13 other posts 
You assume that people 'blatantly refuse to do anything to even try' to fit in, but that is completely baseless. I have never heard any coming out story, where the person didn't go through the most difficult struggle of their life.

In your conservative community, the percentage of people finding out they are gay or trans is exactly the same; around 10%. They surely face repercussions and ridicule is the least of them. They often lose their family over something you think is a decision. It is not, it is their nature. Many people try to fight their nature. Some even convince themselves they are ex-gay or they just convince others and live a lie.
Do you really think Milo Yiannopoulos isn't gay anymore? Maybe he even believes it himself, but I think he is just convincing you lot, for the money.

The only reason to ridicule people who don't fit in is religion and narrow-mindedness and both are results of indoctrination. They idea of 'shut up and do as you're told' is vital to the people in power. The funny thing is that they have managed to convince you they are the voice of resistance. They put that in to your brain every day.
You have 'the freedom to work' without a union representing workers rights or during a pandemic so you can die for the profits of your employer. FoxNews is always criticizing 'the mainstream media' for being propaganda. That is true, but FoxNews
is the worst one. It is just a narrative told you by their millionaire anchors. It is the biggest and richest network, completely paid for by big companies and political activist Republicans. It is not just the most-mainstream media, they are the most explicit propaganda. The only thing that makes them the RESISTANCE, is that they are helping the POWERFUL RESIST THE PEOPLE, fighting for their RIGHTS AND FREEDOM!

Why do right-wingers even say they value individual freedom?
That freedom obviously doesn't include the right to be different.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Apr,22 12:51 other posts 
Right to be different? as in living in a confused state of mind all the time,freaking other people out all the time walking around in a pink skirt?
I mean really,you have the right to be different but move along and quit shoving it in my face and telling me to accept it as normal.Normal for you,not for me.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Apr,22 12:36 other posts 
You are talking about transvestites. Some of them just like to freak people.
Most of them are doing it out of protest, because they are fed up with your
archaic morality. And yes, I completely support that right.
You are the snowflake for actually being freaked out. They cannot freak me.
Offense is taken, not given.

You have probably walked past many transgender people, without even noticing.


By phart [Ignore] 19,Apr,22 18:11 other posts 
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"all they really needed was a little time to grow up"
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Apr,22 06:58 other posts 
Did you read "The Testosterone Hangover"?
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Where are the stories of parents forcing those children? All of them decided for themselves they were trans and most of the parents were NOT supportive. These were all stories of trans children who wanted to be trans themselves and decided later they made a mistake. Besides that, it's not a balanced story, it's very one-sided.

[Bari Weiss leaves the NYTimes citing: "New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are."..... After some research on her, I understand why they call her a liar and a bigot.]

There are more stories of trans children who continue being trans later. The ones that are supported in their choice, can get puberty blockers and have better success in finally transitioning, when they're old enough. The ones that don't get support, will have a hard(er) time transitioning, will never be accepted by the likes of you, because you call them 'men in skirts' and have much higher depression and suicide rates.

No one will end up happier, when their path is forced upon them by other people.
Even if someone made a wrong choice, it's better when it's your wrong choice,
than your parent's wrong choice.


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