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What do U S citizens think about Trump's comments.

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Started by Andthisisme [Ignore] 15,Jul,19 15:08  other posts
The world in general,I think, was appalled by President Trump's initial racist tweets. True to form he doubled down on those comments today in a press conference.
Are these really the views of 'The greatest nation on Earth'
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By #588327 16,Jul,19 07:04
I would like to see someone who likes AOC and some of her idea explain how YOU are going to pay for it. Having an idea is easy, paying for is the hard part.
By #578610 16,Jul,19 07:14
Petro, ideas are a starting point. Paying for it would be done by a very radical way. We call it "taxes". You know, like the way we would pay for a wall at the Mexican border.
By #588327 16,Jul,19 17:01
So how much in taxes do you think we should pay ? We don't even pay for what we currently have. We are like 23 Trillion in the hole. We don't even want to pay that. We should admit we can't afford it or keep spendingoney and we can pay for the wall also.
By #592419 18,Jul,19 00:52⤴
Send her back.
By #578610 18,Jul,19 06:47
To where? Queens? If you feel that way, move to Queens and vote her out in 2020. That’s how we do it in the USA.
By #592419 18,Jul,19 11:14
No she grew up in the bronx.. Don't even know her?
By #578610 18,Jul,19 11:46
The district includes the eastern part of The Bronx and part of north-central Queens. The Queens portion includes the neighborhoods of Astoria, College Point, Corona, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst, Jackson Heights, and Woodside. The Bronx portion of the district includes the neighborhoods of City Island, Country Club, Van Nest, Morris Park, Parkchester, Pelham Bay, Schuylerville, and Throggs Neck. Roughly half of the population of the district is of Hispanic or Latino heritage, making it one of the more Latino districts in New York. Before redistricting for the 2012 election, much of the area was in New York's 7th congressional district.
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District 14. If you notice, Queens is part of it
By #592419 18,Jul,19 12:26
I don't have to move to NYC.. First of all I lived there and its done, dead infested with rats and roaches. 2nd she already dug her own grave when she wants to get rid of cows that fart.
By #578610 18,Jul,19 16:42
According to you she wants to get rid of Jews that fart in a land full of rats and roaches. But, Godzillas, it's not always about The Jews
By #592419 18,Jul,19 19:40
The leftist agenda's propaganda always focuses on the Jews. The blacks that support the Left with their vote doesn't get much in return, yet ironically there are Jews that are false to their ideologies that do support the left due to business purposes..
By #578610 18,Jul,19 20:39
Why is there always a "leftist agenda" but never a "rightist agenda"? Don't you ever stop to think that every person has an idea how a country should be governed? Tell me about the Kosch brothers. Are they the victims of a left wing conspiracy? The Bible belt does not want to bring down pro choise? The left and the right are just people with ideas to make the country better. People who believe that there's a conspiracy behind every door are the ones responsible for all the hatred in this country
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 18,Jul,19 08:22 other posts  ⤴
To where????? 3 of them were born in the U.S and the other clearly has qualified for US citizenship to be able to stand for the House. These are all US citizens.
By #592419 18,Jul,19 11:01
To hell where they came from
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 07:39 other posts  ⤴
I agree that having a policy is easy and working out how to fund it is not, However, that is no reason not to have ambition if a policy is worthwhile.
However personally abusing people because you do not like their policy or politics is not a good way to go.
By #578610 16,Jul,19 09:03
I would have to agree with you Anthisisme depending on weather I do the abusing or the one being abused.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 14:15 other posts  ⤴
You are correct,AOC needs to learn that abusing Trump is not a good way to go.

Also,Pelosi could use some schooling as well.
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By #588327 16,Jul,19 17:31⤴
So how do you want to pay for it ? I think if you see the numbers you might not want be taxed that much. I don't, we can't even pay for what we have now. So how much more in taxes do you want to pay ?
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 12:45 other posts 
Get rid of the free loaders and there would be pleny of funds remaining out of the taxes already being paid,
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 12:49 other posts 
How about we also go after those who don’t pay the tax that they should. Generally ordinary everyday folk do, but the rich, well connected or criminal minded seem to be able to avoid huge amount of tax. Chase them.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 16:52 other posts 
Well, I feel sure some rich folks get out of paying taxes.BUT Hum,where does the money come from that is used for endowment funds and the large donations to hospitals and so forth? The poor? No,the rich.They get a tax break if they give the money straight to where it is needed instead of to the government to distribute.
Who employees the everyday folk? Other every day folk? No,the rich. The less tax they pay,the more wages they can pay. Granted,this is the way the system is designed but some do take advantage of it.So yea,take a look at those folks. But to group all the rich into 1 lump and tax em,tax em hard,no, most are doing ok as things are.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 17:10 other posts 
I was not lumping all rich folk together. Just making the point that some wealthy people have the ability to find dubious ways to avoid paying the taxes that they should.

OMG.. I hear this a lot, how the employed and poorer folk really benefit from the huge amounts of money that rich folk make, and how they should be really grateful.
That may be the case sometimes but there are way too many people I imagine, as here in the UK, who are employed by corporations or companies that make huge profits but who are payed the lowest possible wage. I would guess that some of those companies will even use illegals as they are even cheaper.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 12:47 other posts  ⤴
So I am guessing that you are against wasting money on ‘the wall’ for that reason.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 16:53 other posts 
No,I am not against the wall.It would HELP, slow down the free loaders coming in.Also it would provide some jobs for people building it.Once finished,they could take jobs left open by the illegals thrown back over the wall.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 17:04 other posts 
Are you sure that once the 'illegals' are removed that the population left behind will actually want to do those jobs?
One of the problems in the UK is that while there are many who want to slow or stop immigration the fact is that employers have struggled to find people within the UK to do these jobs - in hospitality and agriculture in particular. Many locals just do not want to do those jobs.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jul,19 00:16 other posts 
Let's think about this a minute.Does anyone "REALLY" want to go to work? I mean,we like to feel worthy and productive but very few people have jobs they love.Most do a job because it pays a wage and supports them and their family.
It is not a matter of the people wanting the jobs,it is a matter of them not being given a choice but to go to work if a job is shown to them and they able to do it safely and productively.
If a person gets hungry,they will do 1 of a couple things.steal or go to work.
By #578610 18,Jul,19 08:49⤴
PORK SPENDING IN 2018. SOME EXAMPLES
earmarks in 2018 totaled $14.7 billion, an increase of 116.2 percent from $6.8 billion in 2017.

Among the most blatant examples of pork flagged by the group:

-- $65 million for “Pacific coastal salmon recovery.” According to its website, the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund “was established by Congress in 2000 to reverse the declines of Pacific salmon and steelhead, supporting conservation efforts in California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Alaska.”

-- $11 million for an “aquatic plant control program.” The group said that since 1994, there have been 24 earmarks worth $58.1 million for aquatic plant control projects.

-- $663,000 for a “brown tree snake eradication program.” According to Citizens Against Government Waste, the snakes are “native to northern Australia, Indonesia and many islands in Melanesia, and have caused damage to the ecosystem of Guam, where they were likely introduced by the U.S. military following World War II.”

-- $10 million for “high-energy cost grants” within the Rural Utilities Service.

- $2.8 million for the National Capital Arts and Cultural Affairs grant program, which funds arts and cultural institutions in Washington, D.C.

NATIONAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, FEEDING OF THE POOR AND HOMELESS, BETTER CARE FOR VETS, NATIONAL EDUCATION, THESE ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS SNAKES OR ART.
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LETS DO AWAY WITH SOCIAL SECURITY (OLD PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE SAVED MORE). DO AWAY WITH FOOD STAMPS (PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO EAT) NO MORE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE (THE RICH WILL GIVE THEM JOBS). NO MEDICARE ANYMORE (DYING IS EXPENSIVE, THEY CAN PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES) THINK HOW MUCH LESS OUR TAXES WOULD BE.


By #336173 18,Jul,19 14:13
Just because someone disagrees with a person of colors politics doesn't necessarily mean they are being racist. If that is the case then there will never be any resolutions to political differences.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jul,19 15:24 other posts 
That is so true.
The word Racist is being used alot and incorrectly by some.As for exmaple a person is racist for not liking a religion.Totaly wrong use of the word.
By #578610 18,Jul,19 16:38⤴
You really don't see the difference between saying "Your ideas are wrong and should not be voted for." and "Go back to where you are from."?
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 18,Jul,19 17:20 other posts  ⤴
You are 100% right. I totally agree with that.

What makes a disagreement racist is when the points made by one side focus on colour or ethnicity as an argument and the original Trump tweet did exactly that by saying that these Representatives should go back to the failed states that they came from.

Even now he is not articulating the flaws in these four Representatives political arguments he is cheerleading 'Send Them Back' at a rally. Although it may be he realised that with that he had gone just too far.


By admin [Ignore] 15,Jul,19 23:07 other posts 
Did you actually read his tweet or only what liberal media said about it?

This is what was actually tweeted:

So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.


I.e. it's not about race at all. There is literally nothing about race. Neither he suggested to them to be gone for good.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 15,Jul,19 23:27 other posts 
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 03:23 other posts  ⤴
How can 3 women born in the USA go back to where they came from. They are currently living in the country where they were born. How is that not about race?
By admin [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 07:54 other posts 
There are 14 congressional members who were born outside the United States, all of whom are Democrats, who became U.S. citizens. As you can see in the original tweet Trump is not mentioning someone by name. AOC and several other usa-born congresswomen triggered but it's on them, not on Trump.

Trump is a skillful troll who makes broad statements that can be interpreted in different ways. It's actually interesting to watch who gets triggered by his statements and what they do.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 09:29 other posts 
You are totally right about Trump and the way he behaves quite deliberately. He may not mention anyone by name but I believe his intention is clear. He is playing to the innate racism of a significant proportion of the US population in the same way that certain politicians did during our own Brexit campaign. They claim not to be playing the race card of course. It is coincidental that people with racist views pick up on these comments and then vote for that issue or candidate.
Whats the expression...'plausible deniability'.
By admin [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 10:57 other posts 
People see what they see. I'm from a failed country (which has 99.9% white population so racism don't apply) myself and lived in other failed countries (with different colors of population but it does not matter), and I know that many people who ran out of there into Europe or USA then keep supporting (by voting, promoting or whatever) the same policies that ruined their own countries in the first place. So I see this Trump's statement literally, and it's totally correct. Those who did not achieve anything in their ways can't insist that their ways are right. Their color, nationality or race does not matter, only results do.
By phart [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 11:21 other posts 
By #578610 16,Jul,19 13:58⤴
There are 29 members of Congress born outside the USA. They are all from different countries. They are all US citizens as they can't serve otherwise. If your premise is correct, all these people come from failed countries (whatever that means). These people come from the UK, France, Germany, and Japan. Yes,some came from 3rd world countries and some had to flee from there (Cuba). Out of these people, not one has been critical of Trump recently except in supporting the party (Democrats) line. So, who was Trump ranting against? Who did he mean when he said go back where you came from?
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I don't know your country of origin and it may very well be a failed nation, so I'll not opine,but, even in an all white (99%) nation, there is discrimination. There's the rich against the poor. The landowner against the land worker. The Christian against the Moslem. And even the light brown against the dark brown. I won't touch the Indian Cast system.
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There are many problems to solve in my country. Yet, there must be something that brings the population of other countries to our doors. Some bring solutions, some bring disgrace to their country of origin, some are just regular folks trying to live in peace with their families. What I do know is that Trump, either by ignorance or meanness, is disrupting the moral fiber of a country that always protected the little guy. And it was always done by the opinions and actions of the regular folks, not a king wannabe like Trump
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 15:34 other posts  ⤴
I don’t know how you define a failed country but a successful country is one with a vibrant democracy and freedom of speech among other things. Freedom of speech is enshrined in the US constitution. You may not like the policies that some people advocate but the US constitution defends their right to advocate them. Calling people communist anti semites is just name calling nothing more not less and the tactic of a bully.
By admin [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 16:16 other posts 
So, you are saying those who call Trump anti-semite are bullies?
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 17:15 other posts 
I wasn't aware that anyone had made that claim; many others yes but not that he was antisemitic.
By admin [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 17:44 other posts 
There were multiple insinuations about Trump being antisemitic during his presidential campaign and in first year of his presidency. I remember it only because it seemed especially ridiculous to me, considering his grandkids are half jew.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 12:43 other posts 
I am not sure why you are focusing on antisemitism the original thread was to do with telling people, who were born in the U.S, to go back to where they came from. This line on antisemitism is not the point I was raising.
By #578610 16,Jul,19 06:25⤴
You are entitled to your opinion, Admin, but, all middle of the road newspapers, many congress members of both parties and a good portion of the US electorate thinks it was racist. I, personally, see this as one more occasion where this racist, uncouth, bully, sex offender and male chouvinist pig, has embarrassed my country once again in the eyes of the world. He should not have been elected. I'm hoping this will be remedied with the 2020 election
By admin [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 07:59 other posts 
Most people thinks GMO is dangerous and there is a bearded all-powerful dude living on the clouds, or worse - many think the government is an all-powerful friendly dude. If the majority agrees with something it does not really make it right.
By #578610 16,Jul,19 09:01
Nor does it make it wrong. It's government. The opposite is anarchy and I don't think that is better. New scientific procedures have had their detractors throughout history. Control is the key
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 17,Jul,19 12:45 other posts  ⤴
Now that I can agree with : the fact that ‘ you believe something does not make it true or right’ is a lesson so many people on all sides need to think about seriously.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 16,Jul,19 15:28 other posts  ⤴
The best comment that I have heard on this issue was from a US citizen living in a southern state and was that what President Trump has said ‘is unpresidential’. I like that, forget racist or anything else the way that he has behaved over this issue is unpresidential.
By #578610 17,Jul,19 11:07
I think that after the last few days, no one disputes Trump was tweeting about the 4 new congresswomen. He said so, too.
By Rocksalt [Ignore] 18,Jul,19 15:45 other posts  ⤴
Exactly, race wasn't even part of it.


By #592419 18,Jul,19 11:15
Bold... But it was comments that stired up this hatred from Jews and USA in the first place. If you don't like it here, leave..
By #578610 18,Jul,19 11:54
So, Trump, who is a white supremacist (a la Nazi Jew hating concentration camp type) was trying to help the Jews? Yeah, right. Trump only likes himself and money. Why not argue about what they propose to help us


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