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Started by #460385 [Ignore] 13,Nov,15 22:05
Our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and families in France. Fucking scumbags continue to prey on the innocent. Until all leaders in all countries grow some balls this shit will never end. I spent 6 years fighting only to be held back by Rules of Engagement. We that served always second guess ourselves. Did we do enough, did we make a difference, could we have done more. I feel inferior right now, I feel that I failed. I am sorry for that. War is not glorious it is not pretty it is not fair or without casualties. If we have to eliminate these fucks one by one so be it. I can only speak for the US. But dammit, enough is enough. 158 dead. How many more need to die before we handle this. Just like 9/11. Innocent die. At what point do we take their innocent. I know that sounds barbaric. But we are fighting evil. We are fighting the devil. Fuck it has to be an eye for an eye at this point. Those poor souls that were just out for dinner and a good time will never go home. The mothers, the fathers, the brothers and sisters, and all family members that were lost. What if they were yours. The fight has to be without pitty.

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By #455846 18,Nov,15 07:33
quite honestly when they catch suspects they should be torchered what ever it takes to make them reveal secrets. I think the 'authorities' in France are handling the situation well at the moment!
By #444412 21,Nov,15 16:10
Yeah! Let's stoop to their level!
By #455846 23,Nov,15 16:31
not sure how you mean that but anyway what s done is done. I think the world new how france was going to react on this, like it or leave it. and neither you nore i could change that , could we ? Do you think you could. I mean you wouldn t change my opinion . I also think that "they" as in "their" dont have any "level". Its all about how cowardly you can be and how arrogant you are in thinking you can take on the world with an AK 47. Thats the part i d like to see an end to, and why I congratulate the French in dealing with things the way they did, and if Europe and Brition didn t think it was a good time to start a war I don t thinki they would "Wars come and go...what remains is only the values of 'culture'"
By #444412 24,Nov,15 14:46
The fact that war occurs is not an argument that validates the atrocities that occur in war.
By #455846 25,Nov,15 19:36
well , no thats definately not an arguement. I guess nothing can validate these "atrocities" either


By #494679 16,Nov,15 17:33
Hmmm...
I was reading through this thread earlier today and was drawn to a number

of points mentioned in different posts and, unusually for me, I found myself

wanting to pick up on a few things from different posts.
Most importantly and along with the other people who feel the same way

here, my heart goes out to the people of France and their loved ones who

are victims of this tragedy, and to all other victims caught up in any acts

of **** and hatred such as this in the world. Both warfare and

terrorism are guilty of unjust heartbreak and grief. Mothers, fathers,

ch!ldren and friends all become victims when they're forced to grieve and

face the rest of their lives unable to give their love to a s0n or d@ughter

they lost due to war or terrorism. It doesn't matter which side of the

fence they stand on, they're innocent in it all!
It worries me to know that so many of us seem to believe they have the

right to judge which people are more or less worthy of life than others

and who's lives are more important than others. Who decides on how that

scale is measured and how can you possibly establish a tipping point where

good becomes evil in that way of thinking?

I don't "belong" to any religion and I don't believe in any form of God(s),

but I don't disregard or disrespect any religious groups or movements and

the followers of them. Although I haven't found faith, I still respect the

rights of those who have (along with adhering to any reasonable codes of

the culture, such as removing my shoes in a mosque or wearing a Yarmulke

in a synagogue, because these things have religious significance and I like

to think that showing some understanding in our differences is healthier

and friendlier than anything else. After all, I've never met a Jewish person

who has a problem with people from other faiths for working on a

Saturday.

JohnS, does my attitude towards things place me in the "Do-gooder or

suchlike" camp in your view so far? I am genuinely interested to know what

you think because I notice you seem to focus a "blaming" kind of view at

Islam for all the current tension in the world at the moment, as well as

hinting at their religious beliefs and maybe even the lives of Muslims being

less important to you on that hypothetical scale I mentioned earlier.
You're out of order saying that kind of thing about Islam. I've known plenty

of Muslims over the years and not ONE of them was comdemning or had

any ill feeling towards other races or religions. Oddly enough, the majority

of other people I've known over the years have been (so-called) Christians

and more than half of them have been anti this or anti that, racists,

sexists.... VERY sad.
I'm very aware of the huge number of others worldwide who would agree

with you. It's understandable and I do actually share some of the same

views myself, but not unreasonably and not with any condemnation of Islam

as a whole because that would mean very unfairly including a ridiculous

number of innocent, respectful and righteous citizens around the world.

Muslims who respect me just as much as I respect them.
THAT is exactly why brought up the examples about shoes in mosques and

Yarmulkes in synagogues. It's the comments and jokes made about the

"little things" like those, or the nicknames disrespectfully given to them by

people not from those faiths that cause the beginnings of religious tensions

in cities everywhere because it's only a matter of time before the jokes

start to become sneaky opportunities for backhanded insults:

("...aww come on, Ranjeet, where's your sense of humour? I only said I

wanted to dry my hands on your Turban 'cause there's no paper towels left

in the toilets, hahaha!").

Have you heard some of the chants sang by supporters at football matches

in the UK? That's a mass of thousands of predominantly white British men

proudly belting out a "humorous" stream of backhanded, racist insults aimed

at one of the players AND the whole thing is also very often broadcasted

on international television. It's amazing how broadcasting guidelines in the

UK ban any programmes containing "bad language" or references to drugs or

alcohol being shown before 9pm, yet they feel it's totally acceptable to

broadcast racist insults?
Sadly, a small number of the supporters in the stadium will be k!ds, caught

up in the excitement and feeling proud to be part of the thousands of adult

role models who are demonstrating how there is nothing wrong with a

little racial stereotyping. The k!ds will join in singing the chant, most of

them probably not understanding the jokes or slurs in the words, but it's

still the beginnings of Britain's next generation of casual racists taking

shape.
Statistically, if you wanted to find an average cross section of the

supporters at that game, calculated how many you would need to select at

random and then asked each of them about their religious backgrounds, I

bet you any amount of money that a small percentage of them would say

they weren't religious, and at least 90% of the rest would answer either

Christian or Church of England, but of course they "claim" to be Christians,

but I'd say the only times pretty much all of them will have been inside a

church was when they were invited to a Christening or wedding.
I don't recall learning about ANY Christian values that say casual racism is

OK.
By the way, JohnS, don't forget that all those years ago when pilgrims

were arriving in the newly conquered lands that they were doing it all in

the name of God. All those natives who were shackled and suddenly the

property of Christians to be treated like shit, beaten, r@ped and killed.

How very Christian is that? I don't recall hearing about any other religion

who believed they had a right to act like that.
Was Hitler a Muslim?

I was brought up by parents who taught me to be respectful. They were

normal, working class people who worked damned hard, scraping by to

raise a family of 4 k!ds, not "hippy types" or "new age liberals". They just

understand the importance of respect and friendship.
I grew up in Liverpool and was a teenager during the 1980s.
England wasn't exactly flourishing at the time. It's economy wasn't healthy

and unemployment was at it's worst since before the Second World War,

so any towns and cities with large populations had an air of tension about

them, especially amongst the younger adults frustrated because they were

unable to find work after leaving scho0l.
If you were a young black guy in Liverpool, your job prospects were even

more bleak due to the institutional racism that clouded workplaces, so

unemployment within the black community was significantly higher than

anywhere else in the city, the same pattern showing in other towns and

cities with established black communities.
There was a history of tension between the black community and

Merseyside Police that was growing too. Young black men were frequently

stopped and searched by police without any justified reasons, and the

police had a reputation for being "heavy-handed" in their approach, so a

whole community of people had now become understandably more

alienated and distrusting of the police ****, who's vocation was actually

supposed to be protecting of them.
In July that year, a young black guy was stopped by police and arrested,

but the police used their heavy-handed approach, physically going beyond

their needs which forced the guy into needing to protect himself, but the

police continued being unnecessarily brutal with him. The arrest was

witnessed by a nearby group of black guys and so the built up tension and

frustration created by the actions of the police leading up to then reached

it's tipping point with fighting between the police and the black guys

kicking off as the the group came to his defense.
This was the start of 9 days of rioting in Toxteth, and it was down to the

actions of the police, but it wasn't a blatant action. It was an undercurrent

of racial abuse over years causing a community of people to feel like they

were "2nd class citizens".
The disrespect of religious and cultural differences over years and years in

seemingly insignificant forms such as jokes, football chants or

heavy-handed policing will only result in those at the receiving end of the

abuse considering themselves as 2nd class citizens because they're a

minority up against the majority. That majority must already consider the

others to be 2nd class citizens if they believe it's acceptable to disrespect

them for their religions or their skin colour!
If the shoe was on the other foot and white Christians had been subjected

to life as 2nd class citizens instead, what would you say then?

Now, having just read back through what I've written so far, I'm suddenly

finding myself worried that anyone who reads this post will think I'm trying

to justify the actions of terrorism or that I might somehow support their

causes. Believe me, ANY groups or individuals who carry out acts of

terrorism disgust me beyond words. I've used the word "respect" a lot

throughout this text. If someone were to ask us what our definition of

"respect" is, we'd all come up with slight variations of the same things

depending our upbringings and how we each learned how to show it, how

to earn it and, most importantly, the reasons why respect is given and

earned.

The resulting losses from EVERY act of terrorism are always the innocent

lives of people who were no threat to, had no political agenda against or

no weapons aimed at the groups responsible.
All the sorrow, pain and grief caused by war and terrorism is easily more

than enough heartbreak for me, but war is all about defending, protecting

or liberating and (hopefully) innocent civilians are never the intended

targets, are they?
Terrorism is essentially an aimless vehicle for showing, inciting and

spreading nothing but hatred.
What kind of mindset is someone in when they can rationalize and justify

whatever role they play in an act of terrorism? Of course, we don't know

how many of these people out there, but the laws of probability would

estimate at least 50% of them will be a parent, and I can't believe that any

one of those people wouldn't have an image of their own ch!ld or ch!ldren

flash through their mind at some point and not move them emotionally as

they're thinking about the affect of the terrorism they're part of. Worse

still, what about any terrorists who could willingly sacrifice their beautiful

son or daughter as a human bomb? That really is something I can't begin to

want to understand.

Sadly, a majority of today's terrorist groups will latch themselves on to a

true religion as a fundamentalist faction. As a consequence, the millions of

innocent people who belong to the true faith and denounce these factions,

particularly those living in the western world, are vilified and suddenly

become 2nd class citizens. Undercurrents of racial and religious tension

causes the new generations of people from those communities to localize

for the safety they feel in their numbers, but then that becomes

"suspicious activity" and, before you know it, the tipping point is reached

and **** is all that's left. The police arrive at the scene and head

straight for the 2nd class citizens first because the police assume they'd be

the attackers "because it was their lot who did the Twin Towers, innit!".

It's the sweeping statements and false information about races of people

and different religions in our countries that get thrown around after

something tragic and horrible like the attacks in France last week.
The more we continue to think it's OK to treat some races and regilons as

2nd class, the more we'll ALL be rersponsible for pushing those citizens

into the arms of terrorism because they feel no sense of belonging with us,

but more with the "promises" and "ideals" whispered into their ears by the

recruiters of those bastards.

I can't condone ****, but I do understand the evil necessity of it and I

HAVE to accept it. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you stand, it

will never truly conclude with the aim it set out to achieve - "peace". So

much is lost on so many levels.
I respect everyone and the points of view they've shared on this page so

far.
JohnS, even though you might think I was being a smart-arse with you

before, I honestly wasn't. I really do want to know what you mean by a

"Do-gooder" because the name suggests to me that it's a person or

organisation aiming to resolve a conflict that's claiming the lives of

innocent people. If that's roughly what you meant then they sound like

decent people to me, but only if their agenda is unbiased and transparent.
Countryboy54, I respect you and have so much admiration for you. It

saddened me when I read your words, "I feel inferioir, I failed...".
You did not and you have no reason to apologize for ANYTHING!
You could have so easily become a very different person after seeing and

having to do some of the things you did as a soldier for your country. You

could have turned into a complete monster and lost a lot of respect for the

sanctity of ANY life, but you haven't. You still show compassion for the

lives of innocents and **** the idea of having to hurt them.

I'm not saying we need to open our arms and show love to these people.

They're not the kind of people who understand what that kind of offer

should mean to them.
I do think we all need to think a little more before we add to a continuing

spread of disinformation about a lot of people regardless of which race or

religion they are.
We're not all right and we don't all have the answers... which is why we

become frustrated and spout incorrect words instead.

If you feel your beliefs are THE beliefs that everybody should share with

you, you need to be sure the reasons behind them are faultless, and I am

certain that NONE of us can hand on heart say that we can do this. If you

do think you can, back it up intelligently instead of just thowing your

words out there because the more that kind of things goes on, the more

ammunition you give to hatred, more people will continue to become

alienated and resort to terrorism and I for one **** the prospect of my

baby neices and nephews growing up to be surrounded by people who are

prepared to fill their heads with crap that could cause them to unfairly

condemn anyone.
By #495146 16,Nov,15 19:49
WTF! you don't currently speak German do you??? you deserve to be a slave of tyrannical dictators, OMG you are so fuckin' stupid!!!!!!
By #494679 16,Nov,15 20:12
Seriously? I deserve to be a slave of tyrannical dictators for condemning terrorism and understanding the need for countries to go to war when reasoning can't be found any other way?
I took a good amount of time to think about what I was writing in my post. You can call me stupid if you want to, but why don't you explain why you think I am? You've actually just proved one of the points I mentioned by assuming I'm stupid instead of communicating with me.
I talked about a few observations I've made. I was honest and backed up anything I had to say.
If you read my words properly, you'd see I was pointing out how easy it is these days for impressionable young people to be swept along by the power of terrorism's voice because they've been alienated by the communities who turn their backs on them after horrific events like the one in Paris last week happen.
Oh, and by the way, I do speak German, French and some Latin as well as English too.
By #460385 16,Nov,15 20:06
Dude your worried about your nieces and nephews growing up to judge others unfairly. How about hoping they get a chance to grow up. @ Mersey
By #494679 16,Nov,15 20:20
Well of course I hope for that.
By bella! [Ignore] 16,Nov,15 20:21 other posts 
Mersey IS worried about their chances, believe that!
By #444412 21,Nov,15 16:14
tldnr
By #494679 22,Nov,15 15:13
What does that mean?
By bella! [Ignore] 22,Nov,15 15:26 other posts 
Hey Mersey, tldnr to my understanding means; too long did not read.

It's too bad that Sinjid felt that way, you articulated your points/position very well.

The sad thing about the entire matter is what's the right approach to take? Seek answers, talk first, fire back and most likely kill innocent people? Is there really a definitive answer? Sadly, the world is fu@ked up!
By #444412 24,Nov,15 14:42
tldnr means exactly what you said. But it's also kind of a running internet gag that if your going to write something long form you should include a condensed version. But the reality is that peoples opinions and views are vast and nuanced, making them hard to condense.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 21,Nov,15 17:42 other posts 
The first thing that comes to mind when taking a glance at this is "logodiarrhea".
By #494679 22,Nov,15 15:12
I don't even post anything on forum threads, but I'd been in conversation about this with friends that day and so I decided to share some personal observations just like anyone else has a right to.
I could have just posted a crass sweeping statement, but I chose to back up my observations with examples I've experienced because I wanted my views to make sense so that people understood that I wasn't trying to sympathize with the bastards terrorizing the world.
Logodiarrhea? I've posted something maybe 3 or 4 times in the forum!
I'm sorry for how the text came out weird with the gaps between each line, making the post so large on the screen. I have no idea why it did that.

I found an intelligent thread for the first time in a long time and wanted to be involved in the discussion, actually hoping I might be welcome.
I have actually been at the receiving end of a terrorist bombing too, so I would have thought I kinda had some valid reason for contributing.
Sorry for my intrusion.
By bella! [Ignore] 22,Nov,15 15:30 other posts 
Bah, don't say that! Your thoughts and opinions are always welcome.

Who gives a rat's ass what anyone else might think! Just say fu@k 'em!
By leopoldij [Ignore] 22,Nov,15 16:16 other posts 
No, no, it's ok. I was half-joking, saying the first thing that came to mind when I saw your endless text.
I'm surprised with your last sentence "I have actually been at the receiving end...", but, if it's true, then it's scary. I can't imagine.


By #460385 17,Nov,15 10:10
Proud to see the French Foreign Minister stand to protect the people of France and order the Air Strikes on Raqqa. His response..... "We cannot allow ISIS to act without reacting".
By #444412 21,Nov,15 16:12
And France promised to settle 30 thousand refugees! Now that's a slap in the face to ISIS! America should follow that example.


By zzick [Ignore] 19,Nov,15 12:01 other posts 
I wish the powers that be would stop any Muslims emigrating to a western and/or Christian country. Let the fuckers kill each other till they've sorted their bloody mess out
By #444412 21,Nov,15 16:09
Wow, that is a dumb opinion.


By #248658 13,Nov,15 22:32
Couldn't agree more country boy, it's time to put PC on the back burner and take care of these folks
By #444412 15,Nov,15 03:12
"Yeah, time to stop being politically correct, and kill innocent people to get to the bad guys!"

How do you get this out of touch with intelligent thought.
By #495558 15,Nov,15 22:42
Sinjid, what world do you live in? btw, thanks for the 3 guys and the jeep in supporting our national tasking in Iraq and Afghanistan ..... Canada rocks....
By #444412 16,Nov,15 02:40
Apparently a different world then you. Because that statement proves you have no knowledge of Canada's role in middle eastern conflicts.
By #444412 16,Nov,15 02:45
So if I start dropping facts that show how wrong you are like last time you challenged me. Are you gonna run away all butthurt again?
By #460385 16,Nov,15 11:37
I won't run away. I know Canada's military role. PPCLI snipers provided cover for us in Afghanistan in 2001 and without them we would have been fucked. We would have lost Kandahar if it was not for the Canadian Infantry. They continued a huge roll up until 2014 with rebuilding and training. But the one thing you would never her one of my brothers say. Is that any terrorist attack any where in the world is the blame of the US or any other country. It almost sounds to me that you have beliefs in the Muslim faith?
By #444412 17,Nov,15 20:06
Country I don't doubt for a second that you have a superior knowledge on this topic them myself. I can't say the same for Reaching.

But, I don't think I said anything about terrorist attacks or religion...
By #460385 16,Nov,15 06:16
I ask you. What is the solution my friend. How should we treat savages. How do we deal with scumbags that are sawing off the heads of our people. The ones that have bombed our cities. Should we talk with them, maybe try to rehabilitate them, or maybe put them in timeout.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 14:53
Countryboy54-You suffer from the exact things that led to black people being lynched up until the 60's. OK...Maybe it still happens...It is called 'generalization'...Do you know what that is? Or are you too DUMB?...Sorry, I generalized about you, an individual. But one that comes from the country...
By #460385 16,Nov,15 14:59
Isn't what you just blamed me for, exactly what you just did. Or are you to DUMB to realize what you just said.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 15:10
No. I realized exactly what I said. Guess you were too dumb to realize the irony of that fact.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 15:12
You understood exactly what I meant. Which means you were not too dumb to understand it...But somehow, you STILL missed my point...Which means, maybe you are too dumb?
By #460385 16,Nov,15 15:39
Twist your words how you like. I will keep up, no worries there. Just remember, guys like me faught for your freedom. While guys like you put us there. Pussification of America is in full effect. Jump on the bandwagon.
By #444412 17,Nov,15 20:26
Well, the airstrikes in the area have been rather successful in suppressing ISLS' expansion in the region. I think it would be good to continue that. Disappointingly Canada will be taking it's CF-18's out of the rotation. The coalition governments should also be pressuring leaders of countries in the region to mobilize their own military forces in opposition of ISIL. We should also be training forces in the area how to fight, like Canada is doing with the Kurds and Peshmerga. If they want stability in the region they need to work for it. The other front is an intelligence war, as ISIL is relatively tech savvy and using social media to recruit members.

But having a wild west, "Git them bastards!" mentality about it won't help. A calm cool headed approach is a better option. And to say that we're defending our countries isn't exactly correct, we are actively, offensively trying to destroy a group of people. We shouldn't sugar coat that. It sounds bad, but it is necessary to preserve our way of life.
By #460385 18,Nov,15 08:10
Good points.
By #485312 18,Nov,15 08:59
what about all those men running away from their country, why aren't they enlisting in their own army and fighting their own war, why is it always left to other countries to do the dirty work, they let them take over their country and ran like cowards, on most of the news feeds all l see are able men fighting to get into another country, they should be fighting to keep their own...why is france bombing Syria???? they should be cleaning their own backyard and ridding themselves of these traitors in their own country too...no one in Syria bombed them, the perpetrator were in france...this is a world war, Russian, American, france, English, Australian .... why are all these countries bombing the place instead of sending the fleeing hourds back to fight their own battle on their own soil???????? *Lix*
By #460385 18,Nov,15 10:33
If it were that easy. Unfortunately the terrorist groups like ISIS have far more technology and weapons than the military in those 3rd world countries. The bombings in Syria were based on intel that members that were responsible for the massacre in France were in those buildings.
By #444412 18,Nov,15 19:28
Syria is a very complex case. One of the many reasons that Syria is in conflict is because the Assad government that was running Syria attacked it's citizens. So it's not really an option to join the military. When your countries military is the bad guys.
As Country said excluding Saudi Arabia these Arabian countries have limited resources. The Syrian people produced rebel factions, and they fought incredibly hard for their country, but there resources were limited and they haven't really been able to stop the destruction of Syrian cities. Thus refugees have been created. And have fled their home country.
France isn't bombing Syria. France is bombing ISIL. And in the last 48 hours France has been taking care of radicals within their own boarders very rapidly in fact.
This is no world war. This is a war between NATO and ISIL.
And there is nothing left to send these people back to. So it is or duty to accept them compassionately.
By #485312 18,Nov,15 19:52
the west should of stayed out of the picture, there are millions of real refugees starving in African countries, many more people are killed there than the small number killed in france, the middle east has been a powder keg of fighting for hundreds if not thousands of years, now they are spreading to all ends of the earth and will bring their hatred for the western way of life with them...even the so called 'good' ones don't believe in our way of life and are already threatening it with their barbaric treatment of women and ch!ldren, they cut little girls up, marry them off to ped0s, and call it a way of life, they r@pe these women and treat them like shit...its nothing but a cult of evil, it preaches hatred to everyone that doesn't follow it and has no place in our societies. we didn't fight 2 world wars to be taken over by religious fanatics of that kind...why should l open my arms with compassion to people that want to ruin my way of life, in their country, ld be beheaded for being sexy...for being naked, for being a normal hot blooded woman, Saudi is not taking any as its part of the big plan to spread them to all ends of the earth....name one country they haven't caused trouble in....name just one that they haven't upset the people in...l cant think of one that they have helped economically by going there, they have come to Australia, the majority are on welfare and sucking the system dry of resourses here, the women are uneducated and unemployable, they are just baby making machines having up to 10 ch!ldren, all supported by welfare, the men congregate and cause trouble in every suburb they live in, they have taken over entire suburbs and its not safe for us to even drive through them without having to lock the car doors, its not safe to look at them. they are a not making any country better, they taking over the world and are dragging us all down with them...not one of those countries even 20 years ago wouold take me in compassionately and give me money and a house and make room for my religion...*lix*
By #444412 19,Nov,15 22:35
Well that was profoundly racist.
The "West" shouldn't have gotten involved. But "should have's" aren't helpful.
Chances are you didn't give a fuck about all those those African refugees until now. When you could use them as an example. And chances are you still don't actually give a fuck about them.
Now I don't agree with any religions fundamentals. And I recognize that Islam is an evangelical religion. But you've just made a generalization about half a billion people. And sh*t if that isn't racism, I don't know what is?
You didn't fight a world war. You just benefit from the people who did. And what the f@ck do world wars have to do with Muslims?
It's as if you've forgotten all of recorded history. "Why should l open my arms with compassion to people that want to ruin my way of life?" It's as if you completely forgot how your white skinned red haired ancestors got to your f@cking country. only registered users can see external links
Yeah Saudi Arabia isn't taking refugees. Probably because Saudi Arabia is on the side of ISIS. I mean really you don't seem to possess any knowledge regarding the middle east.
And as for "your" problem with refugees goes. I don't know why there's working age male refugees in your country. Usually that's not a demographic that the UNHCR decides to move. Sounds to me like their actually immigrants that entered your country legally. And that would be the fault of your government.
Also economically immigrants strengthen the economies of most developed nations. I'm sorry to hear you've been so misinformed.
And the immigrants that cause problems in your country, aren't the problem. You are. It is racists and generalists like yourself that alienate these people. And that's exactly what ISIS wants you to do. They want you to be divisive and hateful. Because that creates the disconnect and the conflict between people, that ISIS needs to thrive. You're playing right into their hand. If you were kind and accepting of these refugees and immigrants they would integrate into your culture naturally, they would gain a sense of nationalistic pride.
We recognize this fact in Canada. Our liberal nation of immigrants is accepting of all people and that's what ISIS hates. With our kindness and our strong culture, people coming into my country assimilate to a certain degree, and the very quickly stop being refugees and start being Canadians.


By #68656 14,Nov,15 08:41
The French have received the results of their inactivity of the past in not restricting the Muslims and now are seeing the next stage in a Muslim take-over. It is a form of colonization.

This will happen in the future in other European countries who also have large growing Muslim populations, it could also happen in Germany with the current influx of “refugees” and even in the UK and the US..

They were not vigilant and are now reaping the results.
By *kmadeau* [Ignore] 14,Nov,15 09:39 other posts 
Right, as usually right to the point!!!
By #68656 14,Nov,15 09:47
Dear Kmad.
The do-gooders and other suchlike people have a lot to answer for.
There is just so much the world can tolerate from all of this unbearable situation. The Muslim religion as far as I am concerned has its hand on the destruct button, we have to hope it doesn't take the rest of the world with them. But who knows, there are no cool heads in their religion I would say.
By thesevenpointfive [Ignore] 14,Nov,15 12:51 other posts 
Yes JohnS and what are western governments doing about that
By #68656 15,Nov,15 00:58
Islam is a proselytizing religion. Its sole aim is the conversion of the entire world to Islam. A form of colonization.
Islam is also a violent religion as Mohammed teaches that means in the Koran, the religious book which all Muslims follow and obey.
There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim, when they say they are a peaceful religion that is a facade and a deception for which Western Governments and silly do-gooders have fallen. These idiots who say to welcome Muslims are falling for the deception, in politics they are known as "useful idiots".
Finally "allah" is NOT God but merely a statue that Mohammed found in Mecca centuries ago.
By #23212 15,Nov,15 01:19
John, why do you keep referring to Islam as a "religion"? My understanding of the general use of that word is a belief in a higher power/god, and the spreading of peace, love, brotherhood, etc., etc., that the World's true religions all attempt.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 15,Nov,15 08:26 other posts 
@ JohnS....you know who you sound like ?????????

Go somewhere else with your issues....people are trying to discuss adult problems here...
By JustWill [Ignore] 15,Nov,15 10:43 other posts 
Christianity, on the other hand, is not a proselytizing religion. Its sole aim is not to convert the entire world to Christianity.
By #23212 15,Nov,15 20:01
Well, about 1000 years ago it WAS--ie., The Crusades. As several Islamic scholars, including a former Chairman of the UCLA Dept. of Islamic Studies, have stated, it's just about 1000 years behind Christianity in reforming and modernizing.
By JustWill [Ignore] 15,Nov,15 23:19 other posts 
Okay. I'll give you the Crusades.
However, that is the ONLY historical example of Christians trying to push their views on other people.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 14:49
Oh, cmon', Mr. Unicorn!! Christians throughout HISTORY have been the BIGGEST proselytizers. To this day! Do not know how you can be so blind to that fact. All religions survive simply because they can get people to believe as they do. If that were NOT true, no religion in the World today would be here!...Many weekends in my neighborhood in the SF Bay Area, I have to fend off these proselytizing Christians...Oh, and BTW, religion is the VERY reason the World is so fucked up! Today!...Along with Nationalism. These 2 beliefs are going to get us all KILLED in the biggest war ever fought on planet Earth...
By JustWill [Ignore] 16,Nov,15 15:11 other posts 
Simply not true. How could it be? All Christians follow the Bible (the book that so clearly lays out their belief system--which is why there are never any arguments or dissension among the various sects). That holy text (which, incidentally, relates the only TRUE history of the world and also renders all science invalid)clearly states "Love thy neighbor as thyself". Every Christian across the planet strongly adheres to this philosophy.
They also keep to themselves and NEVER interfere with politics or social norms. They are very quiet about their faith and refrain from pushing their beliefs on others.
Sadly, Christians--who have always treated others with so much compassion, understanding, and respect--have become the most persecuted people on Earth these days.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 15:18
JESUS H.CHRIST! Unicorn, you are a Christian zealot. Just like those idiots that are beheading people, killing people in Paris and New York (9/11). I have to ask...are you just funnin' us? Or do you ACTUALLY believe that Christians have NEVER interfered with politics and 'social norms' as you say?! God all fuckin' mighty! What a complete ignorant dolt you are...There are just too many examples against your ignorant statement to bother with mentioning...Go to church Sunday and pray for forgiveness for you are beyond hope.
By JustWill [Ignore] 16,Nov,15 15:22 other posts 
Golly gosh oh gee! What's with all the hostile name calling? We were just having a friendly chat here, and you went all "sticks and stones". Shame on you.
To quote a recent poster on this thread: "Guess you were too dumb to realize the irony"
By #435701 16,Nov,15 16:27
Golly gosh oh gee...as I don't know you AT ALL...the fact that you MAY have been speaking in a totally sarcastic manner may have slipped by me...If so, apologies...If you are just saying that now...I stand by what I said.
By botanic [Ignore] 18,Nov,15 20:09 other posts 
I take it that that was ironic Unicorn ?
By JustWill [Ignore] 18,Nov,15 22:13 other posts 
You take it correctly. I am all about the irony.
By #496814 15,Nov,15 03:29
Yet the muslims I know as friends and collegues are all peaceful and social people, with the same struggles and obligations in life as I have.

In the other post you refered to the percentage of muslims living in my country. Yes a part of it is problematic, but most of them are good citizens. I doubt you have a muslim close to you.
By #435701 16,Nov,15 14:57
JohnS-You are such an Ahole! See my comment to Countryboy54 about generalizing...You know, what you say about the Koran, 'the religious book which all Muslim follow and obey'...sounds just like the Christian 'Bibble'!...Oh, one more thing...you are a complete dumba$$...


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