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Kneeling before the American Flag during the National Anthem...

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Started by tecsan [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 02:27  other posts
Protests (peaceful that is) are ok, but kneeling before the American Flag???That is a disgrace and dishonor...Why do many want to dishonor our American Vets...Yes, I admit this is a free Country, so feel free overpaid athletes to disrespect it if that is how you feel...There are other ways to protest is all that I am trying to get across...Saddens me to see people kneeling before the Nations Flag while the National Anthem is playing...Actually, tearful... ༼☯﹏☯༽

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By kebmo [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 03:11 other posts 
I would think that you should be absolutely outraged when your President and the veteran's Commander in Chief calls the veterans suckers and losers if peacefully protesting by kneeling during the National Anthem offends you.
Don't say that it didn't happen because even Fox News confirmed it so you KNOW it must be true!
I'm sure you're well aware that the "taking a knee" is not to disrespect the veterans but I won't waste my time telling you something that you already know but deny because it's convenient to your narrative.
Are you offended by HOW people exercise their First Amendment?
Your crocodile tears are an insult to my intelligence.
By Gntlmn [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 04:05 other posts 
Well said!
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 12:18 other posts 
only registered users can see external links added after 3 minutesThere's always 2 sides to every story. They have the right to kneel, for whatever reason. But I'm just trying peacefully to show you how it hurts people like me. And the disrespect a veteran feels.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 13:28 other posts 
CC, in a respectful way because you feel this way, could you be shouldering a misguided view of those actions? My older brother was a radical hippy. He was totally against the Vietnam Nam war. To him, Nixon was a war criminal. My Dad, of course, supported his Commander in Chief.
When protesters started to burn the flag, he hated it. But, I remember him. I hate that they are doing that but, I fought so assholes like you could do that. But, I remember my brother more. People are dying. This war is wrong and I love you as much as always but I, too, have to serve.
By kebmo [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 15:23 other posts 
CountryCouple, they are NOT trying to disrespect veterans! You know it, I know it, the players know it, the fans know it and your president knows it.
Is it OK for your president to call veterans suckers and losers? No, of course not but are you going to vote for him?
Crocodile tears.
By phart [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 16:57 other posts 
Kembo, Having lies shoved down your throat does not mean you "Know" the lies,it just means you have had the lies shoved down your throat.
I know the veterans in my family and freinds that are veterans,have stop watching football and other sports all togther because of the shit and don't intend to pay it a lick of attention ever again as long as they play the race card along with football,racing,or whatever the sport may be.
By kebmo [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:13 other posts 
Phart do you KNOW that your president thinks that the veterans suckers and losers? Are you going to vote for him again?
By phart [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:23 other posts 
I SURE AS FUCKK aint voting for BIDEN.
I still don't think Trump said it or meant it the way it is construded if he said it.
YOu have to realize the media is working 24-7 to bring Trump down.And with folks that don't even live in the US believeing it and spreading it like Parkay on their bread,it won't take long to work.
By kebmo [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:39 other posts 
Fox news even confirmed it so it must be true!!

You disagree with it so you call fake news. Weak Phart.
By phart [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:49 other posts 
Weak,but not proven false.There are only 2 people running for President that have a snow balls chance of winning.
Biden and Trump.No person with sound mind could vote for Biden. I was not a big fan of Trump when I voted for him in 2016.I knew he was a New York Yankee with a bad attitude.I didn't hire him for a fishing buddy,I hired him to fix America.
And he was doing a damn good job until China unleashed it's biologial weapon onto the earth.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 20:10 other posts 
phart .No person with sound mind could vote for Biden...explain
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:45 other posts 
Kebmo,

You just keep posting that BIG ASS lie.
People are seeing what you are, an ANTAGONIST! Not a very good one either, stick to cooking!

It's fucking FALSE! So said John Bolton (not a fan of the President) who YOU ALL clung onto every word he said weeks ago. NOW you want to ignore him, huh? 12 other people who was THERE ALSO said it was BULLSHIT!

They decided NOT TO GO because of WEATHER! Unno, the same kinda weather that killed Kobe Bryant!

Helicopter, bad weather... JEEZUS!

Lastly... An event that happened over TWO years ago JUST NOW coming to light, a "ANONYMOUS SOURCE", election year. ANYONE who believes this BULLSHIT needs their head examined. How'd that "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" work out for the phone call? 

Get a new line Mr. Antagonist! That ONE'S played out and DEBUNKED!

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 Keep AMERICA Great 🇺🇸
By bella! [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:56 other posts 
Gee, did the vulgar granny guide your "copy and paste" hand?
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 01:00 other posts 
Lol

No, I decided to post it as many times as he did that lie.

I don't mind a debate about an issue, but I am getting annoyed by those not from this country trying to spread hate. Continually fanning flames of division amongst us. For what? It's NOT productive whatsoever. We have enough problems with those internally, let alone an outsider further instigating, perpetuating lies and hatred.

So he HATES the guy, no surprise there! If you listen to some of these people, the President has done NOTHING right, EVER!

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is OBVIOUSLY very real if you believe that.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 19:42 other posts 
Phart, why not?
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:44 other posts 
Kebmo,

You just keep peddling and posting that lie.
People are seeing what you are, an ANTAGONIST! Not a very good one either, stick to cooking!

It's fucking FALSE! So said John Bolton (not a fan of the President) who YOU ALL clung onto every word he said weeks ago. NOW you want to ignore him, huh? 12 other people who was THERE ALSO said it was BULLSHIT!

They decided NOT TO GO because of WEATHER! Unno, the same kinda weather that killed Kobe Bryant!

Helicopter, bad weather... JEEZUS!

Lastly... An event that happened over TWO years ago JUST NOW coming to light, a "ANONYMOUS SOURCE", election year. ANYONE who believes this BULLSHIT needs their head examined. How'd that "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" work out for the phone call? 

Get a new line Mr. Antagonist! That ONE'S played out and DEBUNKED!

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 Keep AMERICA Great 🇺🇸
By #607259 at 18,Sep,20 19:38
Idiot!
By phart [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 09:03 other posts 
Who?
By #607259 at 19,Sep,20 09:24
All people that follow dictator trump get your lips off his cock have a and chill out
By phart [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 21:01 other posts 
Uh,it seems you might want to follow your own advice on the have a smoke and chill out?
We somehow lived thru 8 years of Obummer,you can make it 8 years of Trump. Pucker up and chill
By #607259 at 19,Sep,20 22:42
Guess what racist trash like you isn’t going to win any more
By Scorps [Ignore] at 20,Sep,20 01:29 other posts 
GREAT job Phart!

Looks to me as if you ran a delusional, dope using, lib, shit for brains, clean from the site. YOU caused a delicate lil ❄snowflake❄ to melt. Tsk tsk tsk You are SO bad mister! However will you live with yourself?

Again, GREAT job buddy!

🇺🇲 4 MORE YEARS - TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸
By phart [Ignore] at 20,Sep,20 11:52 other posts 
Wow,so afraid someone might see who typed this you had to delete yourself. lol
OH I am sure it is still here under another name. I have not accomplished anything.
Come late January when I watch Donald J.Trump put his hand on the Bible again to be sworn into office for his second term,that is when snow flakes will melt.
By WOODY1227 [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 12:23 other posts 
That's heavy Phart. Now, tell me, How does that translate into actual dollars. Oh, let's not forget, how is that working out now that sports are being played without live audiences?
By phart [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 19:51 other posts 
I have not paid sports any attention lately.Didn't pay it much mind before all this shit show started.
Fools and their money shall soon part is all I can say.
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:44 other posts 
Kebmo,

You just keep posting and peddling that lie.
People are seeing what you are, an ANTAGONIST! Not a very good one either, stick to cooking!

It's fucking FALSE! So said John Bolton (not a fan of the President) who YOU ALL clung onto every word he said weeks ago. NOW you want to ignore him, huh? 12 other people who was THERE ALSO said it was BULLSHIT!

They decided NOT TO GO because of WEATHER! Unno, the same kinda weather that killed Kobe Bryant!

Helicopter, bad weather... JEEZUS!

Lastly... An event that happened over TWO years ago JUST NOW coming to light, a "ANONYMOUS SOURCE", election year. ANYONE who believes this BULLSHIT needs their head examined. How'd that "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" work out for the phone call? 

Get a new line Mr. Antagonist! That ONE'S played out and DEBUNKED!

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 Keep AMERICA Great 🇺🇸
By bella! [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:02 other posts 
I do no follow football so I was unaware that players were fined for "twerking in end zones" or taunting. In other sports, I was aware that being disrespectful to umpires and referees can get a player fined and suspended. Recently, a tennis player (?) was disqualified because his ball hit a line judge! WTF!? Why didn't the line judge just move? Anyway, what I'm getting at is that YES, I agree with freedom of speech, but I also agree with Ret. Col. Jeffrey Powers, the players that choose to express themselves by kneeling should have repercussions similar to or greater than the player that twerks, taunts, or is disrespectful to umpires, referees and line judges.
By phart [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:11 other posts 
Thank you
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:39 other posts 
Funny how that works Ms.
bella. You can go to the NFL football game, disrespect the American flag, tell the white guy sitting next to you you don't care about white lives, disrespect the veterans that fought for that flag and died for it. To watch a bunch of men throw football around and make millions of dollars claiming they're underprivileged. As they charge you $100 for that ticket to watch them play the game. These are all their rights at an NFL game. But you better not tell a referee that he sucks or do a victory dance in the end zone. Because then the communist NFL wants to suspend them and fine them. Why don't they have the same rights towards their employing body.
By bella! [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 17:55 other posts 
I watched/listened to the YouTube video and was quite surprised that I was able to spot Drew Brees taking a knee.
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 01:20 other posts 
I've NEVER been a sports fan, but I was familiar with some of the noble things that Drew has done. What a disappointment to hear that he did that. Sad actually! He should have maintained his backbone from his initial statement. I thought he had a bit of intelligence, but to buy into a false narrative and then join in, is VERY disturbing.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 18:42 other posts 
This is a little off the subject. I hear a lot that "A bunch of men throw a football around and make millions doing it while claiming they are underprivilaged."
I just like to point out that NO-ONE is forced to buy a ticket to an NFL game. Since if there's are no players there wouldn't be no game, what right do we have to criticize what they do on the field?
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 19:57 other posts 
bella!
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This is the letter that retired coronel Jeffrey Powers wrote to the NFL COMMISSIONER. He too is entitled to his views however, he seems to have forgotten why his fellow soldiers gave up their lives. As a reminder, they did to protect the Constitution. I say the Coronel is deficient in his views. I wonder what he would have said if the players taking a knee were white.
By bella! [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 21:28 other posts 
Yes, I was made aware of the letter that, then Ret. Col. Jeffrey Powers wrote at the beginning of the 2016 NFL season, because CountryCouple54 posted a similar, but better YouTube link 2 days ago, on September 14. If you noticed, I responded to their very post, my response is the one you are posting on, now.

I don't agree with your opinion that Ret. Col. Powers is "deficient" in his views. And based on the content of his letter to Commissioner Goodell, nothing about the color of the player was mentioned or inferred. Why try to put your spin on it, is it possible that you are cynical and prefer to "believe" in the worst in people?

Our country is facing the biggest crisis that I can recall in my lifetime. Remember Eldridge Cleaver? Yeah, the same Eldridge Cleaver that was active in the Black Panther Party. He said, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Don't be part of the problem, striking discord because you have your own agenda. Americans need to come together and work toward solutions.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 21:44 other posts 
You have to be deaf and blind not to notice the color of the players. Old Aldridge was refering to black problems and blacks that were content not pushing back. I don't have my own agenda. My agenda is a public one. Its a call to decency to the people of this country. You may or may not subscribe to that common decency. You certainly don't sound like you do. It's more important to you to police behavior of the protesters than seeing if you can help change the atrocities happening in front of our eyes. It's true this country should unite, but, I will never unite with bigots and degenerates. You do as you like.
By tecsan [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 23:25 other posts 
Maybe I can understand half way what you are saying...But, just wish someone could explain it to my great grandfather whom had tears in his eyes when people kneeled before the American Flag...He does not understand the world as it is now...But kneeling before the flag is disrespect and everyone knows it...༼☯﹏☯༽
By kebmo [Ignore] at 14,Sep,20 23:50 other posts 
Tecsan Well imagine how he would feel if he heard the PRESIDENT referring to him as a sucker and a loser as he fought for his county!!
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:41 other posts 
You just keep peddling that lie.
People are seeing what you are, an ANTAGONIST! Not a very good one either, stick to cooking!

It's fucking FALSE! So said John Bolton (not a fan of the President) who YOU ALL clung onto every word he said weeks ago. NOW you want to ignore him, huh? 12 other people who was THERE ALSO said it was BULLSHIT!

They decided NOT TO GO because of WEATHER! Unno, the same kinda weather that killed Kobe Bryant!

Helicopter, bad weather... JEEZUS!

Lastly... An event that happened over TWO years ago JUST NOW coming to light, a "ANONYMOUS SOURCE", election year. ANYONE who believes this BULLSHIT needs their head examined. How'd that "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" work out for the phone call?

Get a new line Mr. Antagonist! That ONE'S played out and DEBUNKED!

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 Keep AMERICA Great 🇺🇸
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@ Kebmo,
By kebmo [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 01:36 other posts 
Yeah, you need to read my comments again Scorps. I didn't say a word about helicopters or weather in this entire thread.
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"Americans who died in war are losers and suckers"

-President Donald J. Trump
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 20:04 other posts 
Please show me the proof.
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 16,Sep,20 20:16 other posts 
Come on, CountryCouple54 ,There were no recordings. It was a conversation that at least 4 people will attest to it.
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When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] at 17,Sep,20 08:01 other posts 
Your giving me a link to "The Atlantic". A democratic news source run by Jeffrey Goldberg. Who endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016. I could show you other media sources run by Republicans that says that story is bullshit.
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Remember that old saying "don't believe everything you r
ead on the internet".
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 17,Sep,20 09:26 other posts 
CountryCouple54
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he Atlantic is an American magazine and multi-platform publisher. It was founded in 1857 in Boston, Massachusetts, as The Atlantic Monthly, a literary and cultural commentary magazine that published leading writers' commentary on the abolition of slavery, education, and other major issues in contemporary political affairs. Its founders included Francis H. Underwood[3][4] and prominent writers Ralph Waldo Emerson, Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr., Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and John Greenleaf Whittier.[5][6] James Russell Lowell was its first editor.[7] It is known for publishing literary pieces by leading writers.


After experiencing financial hardship and undergoing several ownership changes in the late 20th century, the magazine was purchased by businessman David G. Bradley, who refashioned it as a general editorial magazine primarily aimed at a target audience of serious national readers and "thought leaders".[8] In 2010, The Atlantic posted its first profit in a decade.[9] In 2016 the periodical was named Magazine of the Year by the American Society of Magazine Editors.[10] In July 2017, Bradley sold a majority interest in the publication to Laurene Powell Jobs's Emerson Collective.[11][12][13]

Its website, TheAtlantic.com, provides daily coverage and analysis of breaking news, politics and international affairs, education, technology, health, science, and culture. The editor of the website is Adrienne LaFrance and The Atlantic's president is Bob Cohn.[citation needed]
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Ok, well and good, but, it doesn't say much about the character of this long respected institution, so, I googled Emerson Collective and got this

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Emerson Collective is a social change organization focused on education, immigration reform, the environment, media and journalism, and health. Founded by Laurene Powell Jobs, the LLC uses philanthropy, impact investing, advocacy, and community engagement as tools to spur change in the United States and abroad. Wikipedia
Founder: Laurene Powell

Yes, I do believe what these news sources are bringing me. They have a history of reporting the truth, unbiased. Any news organization will, most likely be owned by a liberal or conservative person. It's wrong to assume liberals will lie while conservatives tell the truth but, in all fairness, by all means list your news sources and lets put them under the microscope.
By Scorps [Ignore] at 17,Sep,20 03:44 other posts 
He ( Kebmo ), don't have any!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😄😆😂🤣🤣😂

Fucking anonymous hearsay is all they/he has...

🇺🇲 4 MORE Years TRUMP 2020 🇺🇲
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HERE'S my PRROF!

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*PROOF
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I hadn't noticed the site DUNCE, known as ANGEL1227 had commented.

Let's break it down for the imbecile...

The "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" ⬅️ SEE THAT! It's SINGULAR! Claims Donald Trump said "blah blah blah". ONE (1) person said it, NOT 4!

Yet the DUNCE says: "according to four people with firsthand knowledge"

4 people with firsthand knowledge, BUT, no one knows their name(s) to validate the claim that once again happened 2 fucking years ago. It was such a travesty to FOUR people, they ALL waited for 2 years. UNFUCKINGBELIEVEABLE!

How many more dumbshits you suppose will come strolling along with this SAME idiotic argument? >smh
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 18:44 other posts 
Perhaps your grandfather never knew the true meaning of freedom. He's welcome to cry but those tears are not for the right REASON
By tecsan [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 22:47 other posts 
Guess not...He fought for the Country lost both legs and parts of his left hand...Ridiculed by well let us just say people when he came home...Is there anyone here willing to give up one leg for their Country...He was told he was fighting for his Country and the Flag that that represented the Country...You might be right the tears are probably just fake...༼☯﹏☯༽
By ANGEL1227 [Ignore] at 22,Sep,20 08:56 other posts 
tecsan obviously your Grandpa gave a lot for his country and flag. For that, we give him our sincerest thanks. Whatever pushed him to be there does not matter. Nor will any argument will change his mind on taking a knee. Would the maiming and killing of fellow citizens, some being vets, be ok with him? Should we lynch those people for disrespecting maimed vets? You tell me.
By Scorps [Ignore] at 15,Sep,20 00:42 other posts 
Kebmo,

You just keep posting that lie.
People are seeing what you are, an ANTAGONIST! Not a very good one either, stick to cooking!

It's fucking FALSE! So said John Bolton (not a fan of the President) who YOU ALL clung onto every word he said weeks ago. NOW you want to ignore him, huh? 12 other people who was THERE ALSO said it was BULLSHIT!

They decided NOT TO GO because of WEATHER! Unno, the same kinda weather that killed Kobe Bryant!

Helicopter, bad weather... JEEZUS!

Lastly... An event that happened over TWO years ago JUST NOW coming to light, a "ANONYMOUS SOURCE", election year. ANYONE who believes this BULLSHIT needs their head examined. How'd that "ANONYMOUS SOURCE" work out for the phone call? 

Get a new line Mr. Antagonist! That ONE'S played out and DEBUNKED!

🇺🇲 TRUMP 2020 Keep AMERICA Great 🇺🇸
By tecsan [Ignore] at 18,Sep,20 20:54 other posts 
Explain it to the veterans and see if they understand...The First Amendment is great, as long as it does not turn into violence...But taking a knee before the American Flag during the National Anthem is very disrespectful...Do not care if people exercise their First Amendment right if they can show some decency...If they feel the need to kneel then stay in the locker room until the National Anthem has stopped...What an easy solution...༼☯﹏☯༽
By WOODY1227 [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 12:27 other posts 
Ok, let me get this right. You are suggesting that these demonstrators hide during the moment of demonstration? And then come out on to the field? what are you saying? Should they moon the public? Good move there tecsan
By tecsan [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 23:49 other posts 
No they did that by not coming onto the field...I just want them to find other ways to protest without disrespect and think everyone here knows what I mean...༼☯﹏☯༽
By tecsan [Ignore] at 21,Sep,20 02:47 other posts 
Why is the moment of demonstration always at the same time we honor our country and veterans...???Why do we have to disrespect approx. two mins to protest...Do it before or after or next week in public...Protests are public are they not, but no let us interrupt a good time for most to protest at a game many paid money to see...Not some damn protest...Do it publicly but not at the expense of others...༼☯﹏☯༽
By SrCums [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 12:11 other posts 
That's true,, these are the fucks that end up being canadians.
By WOODY1227 [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 12:29 other posts 
SrCums .....better than Israeli effluence.
By SrCums [Ignore] at 19,Sep,20 12:52 other posts 
so you agree fuckface? Nobody has defeated Israel for 1000s of years... Not even shit drip fuck waads like you.. Nazi's are dead.. What makes you think you can win.. Iran is powerless.. What can you do besides just killing yourself?


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