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Started by Dev01 [Ignore] 17,Nov,19 04:06  other posts
I mean really... Is this a nana state. ALL cases a rediculous. Do we really need a panel to pass judgement unto who are grubs. Btw just a reminder John s is dust and bones. WAKE up FFS

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By bella! [Ignore] 28,Feb,21 17:52 other posts 
leopoldij has referred yet another SYC member for deletion, cassie7 .
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 11:22 other posts 
Leo, we've been friends a long time. Are you stretched for points? They are cheap to buy. Stop being a grasser.
By bella! [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 11:42 other posts 
leo is doing God's work, or maybe that of JohnS, cloudbreak, notynyt, etc, by making the site safe and "fake free".
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 15:45 other posts 
Well, who the F hired him as God's worker?
By bella! [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 23:25 other posts 
He appointed himself.
By tecsan [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 02:29 other posts 
Great, I can appoint myself also...༼☯﹏☯༽
By Skittles [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 12:24 other posts 
She already went poof!
By bella! [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 15:03 other posts 
Indeed! leo is busy cleaning up the site and ridding it of any female member who has pictures posted anywhere else.
By dgraff [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 20:36 other posts 
Leo is a gay man who hates all woman unless of corse they happen to look like a man or an ape 🦍 or big foot 🦶
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You know his best friend is very ape ish looking I seen the picture
By 1RonG [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 22:53 other posts 
Not knowing how the system works very well...what happens if a user has pictures elsewhere but they are genuinely that users pictures? Eg someone is using more than one site ? From reading these Abuse panel reports it seems that if a picture is found anywhere else on the Internet then it is deemed ' abuse ' of the site and the member goes poof but surely a member can have the same picture in two places and still be genuine?
Please pardon my ignorance if I have misunderstood
By bella! [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 23:21 other posts 
Please, no need to apologize because your thoughts are my thoughts, too.

The examples you use do fit some of the scenarios that we vote on. Some of the "proof" submitted by the reporting member can clearly indicate that the site is an amateur site, sometimes the reporting member submits a lone "jpg" link that came from who knows where, and another favorite link to provide as a form of "proof" is Xhamster.

In my opinion, it's really a difficult thing to pass judgment on and I have no problem voting ABUSE HAS NO GROUND.

Some of my favorite "proof" is when reporting members will start placing mathematical equations on the reported member/picture. For instance, they will go as far as saying something like; the picture was cached in 2015, the member's bio says she is 20, therefore she was under the age of 18, blah, blah, blah...

I find it comical because in my opinion, I find that the majority of the voting members don't provide a reason why they voted as they did. Hey, I liken this panel to a jury, sometimes we "get it right" and sometimes we "fail to get it right"
By 1RonG [Ignore] 01,Mar,21 23:43 other posts 
There must be a ' line ' somewhere, a datum point as such that all such claims of abuse can be likened too? It strikes me that sites such as these struggle to get women ' on board ' and then can be very quick to kick them off if they happen to have a picture elsewhere. Please do not get me wrong I fully understand that there are lots of guys out there pretending to be ladies, or using the wife/gf/ex gf pictures without their knowledge. Surely those posting other peoples pictures without their knowledge need to be deleted, as that is just plain wrong, whether the poster be female or male
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 00:14 other posts 
I'm not sure if there is a "line" or if there ever could be a line drawn.

Just recently, the Evaluation Panel deleted a longtime member of more than 4 years, pandorasbox. If memory serves me correctly, she had slightly more than 120 pictures and 3 of those 120 pictures were reported as being found on the internet by doing a reverse image search. Two of the pictures were of Nia somebody-or-another and there was another from someone else. If you look at the post made by admin, screen shot in my gallery, he does not appear to care about members that post an OCCASIONAL internet picture as long as the member does not claim them to be their own. I am going to extend myself by saying that it is MY UNDERSTANDING that he does not want us to say; my pussy, my boobs, my dick, my boyfriend's dick, my girlfriend, etc, if we are posting an internet pic. I'm also going to say that admin does NOT want his site to turn into a site where internet pictures are reposted. I guess he's hoping that we will exercise good judgement. I voted ABUSE HAS NO GROUND since the member did not claim those pictures to be of her and regardless, she had at least 117 additional pictures that were legit. Then comes another member that says regardless of admin's standing on the matter, it's a copyright infringement and the member should go. Members implement their own understanding or opinions and POOF!, pandorasbox was deleted.
By 1RonG [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 00:31 other posts 
So Admin and members of the abuse panel have no issues with members posting other peoples pictures without their consent/knowledge? That's a very risky game to play , considering the huge risks of ' revenge porn ' , which in time will certainly be made illegal in various countries across the world. It should be a case of if you don't own the rights to that picture ( eg you didn't take it and were not given explicit permission to post ) then you don't and you either get warned or get booted. I don't see how its fair that someone can have pictures of others and just not say they are of themselves and not be ' disciplined ' in some way , yet someone whose own picture turns up on a reverse search can get deleted.
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 00:42 other posts 
Your first sentence is a rather BROAD statement. Who are the "other people" that you refer to?

Revenge porn, copyright infringement and posting a picture, I'm going to use 2nice as an example, are 3 different things. Both men and women can fall victim to revenge porn, no? There are a number of members that post a picture of someone else in their gallery. Should they be reported and deleted? Copyright infringement, my guess, those pictures should have some type of watermark on them. And if I'm a fella and snag a picture of 2nice and post it without his approval, in my opinion, that's theft.
By 1RonG [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 01:05 other posts 
OK ill clarify that first line, and before I go further I have no ill feelings towards any members as I do not really know any of them but take Leopoldij , from reading posts here he ( and other members that have defended him according to comments here ) freely know that he is posting pictures of ladies that he has either met or encountered on the Internet.. he has then gained pictures and posted them on here. Now answer me this , do all those women know he has posted their pictures on a porn site? Would they be happy to find this out?..especially when a family member or work colleague stumbles across them when looking for porn. How do we know, or rather how does the poster and the abuse panel know for certain that the person in the pictures is happy with this? I will admit it is a tricky one but in the case of Leopoldij , he is a serial poster of others pictures, regardless of whether he claims they are him or not.
Regards revenge porn , I never distinguished between male and female and am in complete agreement, males who break the rules need to go too, no room for malicious pictures or porn on any site ( regardless of gender ) it's just the lowest in and makes the poster pond scum in my opinion.
Regarding pictures of others in galleries , no a postmark isnt good enough, all that proves is they have been posted elsewhere , plenty of pictures will come from peoples phones and tablets theses days, straight on to the site. It is all about consent, no consent, no picture...and a warning to the member who clearly posts non consensual pictures .
There is a fine line between consensual and non consensual pictures when the person in the pictures isn't the member. I suspect that the poster, Admin and possibly the abuse panel if it had been informed could well end up in trouble in certain countries if a legal report was ever filed.
I just don't get why people can't post their own pictures, why post those potentially , of someone who has no idea they are being sprawled across a porn site
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Oh and also taking Leopoldij as an example ( again) , seeing as he reported Pandorasbox, how is what he does any different to what she did, in fact he's worse!. She had 3 pics , from what I'm lead to believe he has a lot more than 3 pictures that aren't him.

My humble suggestion to all this....

Rather than immediate deletion, how about a ' cooling off ' period. Maybe look at how often member posts/visits, so say a frequent member they get a week to remove offending pictures up to those who are less frequent who get a month. Repeat offenders get three strikes and they are instantly out and banned. I just feel the whole thing has got a little harsh reading through this abuse thread . No time for those that have ' offended ' in the past to correct their mistakes

All just my thoughts and no hard feelings towards any members mentioned
By bella! [Ignore] 03,Mar,21 14:50 other posts 
Hi 1RonG, I wanted to respond to your questions the other day but it was in the wee hours of the morning. By the way, why were you awake at such an ungodly hour?

Allow me to preface this by saying that I do not think highly of any male member that has the cajones to post face pictures of their wife, girlfriend, fuck buddy, etc, but don't have the BALLS to show their own face. BOOM! With that out of the way, you asked; QUESTION- "do all those women know he has posted their pictures on a porn site? Would they be happy to find this out?..especially when a family member or work colleague stumbles across them when looking for porn. How do we know, or rather how does the poster and the abuse panel know for certain that the person in the pictures is happy with this?" Simple ANSWER, we DO NOT KNOW whether the various women posted on ANY MEMBER'S page has knowledge that her likeness is posted here. If it were only a hand, a pussy, whatever, no harm, no foul. When members start posting faces, I feel that they have crossed the line. Let me say this, there are profiles that do show both his and her faces and the pictures are consistent, meaning it's always the same faces, same him, same her. I'm mainly bashing the fellas because they are the members that are primarily at fault for doing this. Don't get me wrong, women are offenders, too. There have been several SYC profiles established allegedly by women that feature various different women. Really? Which woman are you and do you have the approval of the other 8 women, to post their pictures here?

Your question about a cooling off period, this is admin's mission statement for the Evaluation Panel voting members;

"The primary goal of this page - to quickly delete members posting illegal shit when admin is away and to resolve doubtful situations.
If your account is older than 2 years and you are verified by other members you can participate here.
Abuse gets +1 if you agree and -1 if you disagree. Once it gets -5 or gets older than 10 days the abuse gets deleted as invalid, once it gets +5 the member gets deleted for the violation.

No guidelines. If you do not have any common sense you should not participate here! If you "freeze" deletion of something really important like child porn you are banned from the site no matter what."

There was a time that I feel that voting members were afraid to go against the "establishment" and I do NOT mean admin. There were members that enjoyed hunting for fakes and were able to convince their friends to vote swiftly in their favor. It was almost uncommon for voters to vote ABUSE HAS NO GROUND. Years ago, I reached out to admin and asked him to implement a "freeze" voting option so that in the event that someone was reported for deletion because they had an internet picture in their gallery, there was time an an opportunity to reach out to them. I had hoped for 48 to 72 hour freeze, admin gave 24 hours, that's what we have to work with. In the example of pandorasbox, she was a 4 year member, had 120+ pictures, 3 internet my opinion, she was a member worthy of trying to save. I froze the voting and sent her a private message. Apparently, she was not one that visited the site daily or otherwise because the profile was deleted in 4 days. Many members voted, many varied opinions, ultimately, the majority of the members voted her gone.

As far as the "cooling off period", I'm not sure how that would work and/or how the site could implement it. Heck, some members cannot even submit a cohesive deletion report.
By 1RonG [Ignore] 03,Mar,21 15:37 other posts 
Firstly, thank you for such a lengthy reply, certainly explains how the abuse panel works and how some of the decisions are reached and gives a good insight. I still feel the deletion in certain instances is too swift, heck If I'd been reported then I'd love to know why and how to correct it and I'm sure some of the previously deleted members felt the same, but on saying that I can see the issues and it's a very tough thing to call.

As to why I was up at such an ungodly hour? I am every day through pure habit
By bella! [Ignore] 03,Mar,21 17:40 other posts 
I definitely hear your concern of being a member that was reported for possible deletion and being deleted without knowing why. I assure you, others have also raised that concern, too.

And by the way, thank you for responding to my frivolous question about your sleeping habits 💤 .....
By bella! [Ignore] 05,Mar,21 11:16 other posts 
You have voiced your concern about members posting pictures of others without that person's knowledge or consent, take a look ar showslut's page and gallery of pictures. This person has been a member since December, 2011, of the pages of pictures posted, which person do you think is the female who is now 57 years old and created that profile 9+ years ago?
By 1RonG [Ignore] 05,Mar,21 11:52 other posts 
Honestly hard to say! And as you say which is her. Clearly that can't be right as they must be Internet pictures surely?
By bella! [Ignore] 05,Mar,21 14:06 other posts 
Perhaps they are a mixture of internet pictures and unsuspecting friends.
By 1RonG [Ignore] 05,Mar,21 22:22 other posts 
Which is wrong on both counts, although I feel posting pics of unsuspecting friends is worse
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 00:31 other posts 
By the way, I just reported a member by the screen name of 14yoboy . Just my opinion, I feel it's a clear cut report and should be a clear cut deletion.
By Skittles [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 07:25 other posts 

Too bad the same muppets grassing members left and right being on other sites will sadly ignore that report... Known scummy cunts like Leo should go poof... No one had issues with Leo posting in chat about how he shagged his cousin. Screenshots were taken....
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 08:29 other posts 
My report was reviewed and resolved unanimously in approximately 45 minutes. It was approved by anon3456, Cox4you, Jamie, kebmo and someone else.

Peculiar how when leo reports a SYC member for posting pictures found on the internet, there seems to be an entirely different group of members stepping up to vote. I didn't see any of those members vote in this referral. I realize there is a time difference between when I reported at approximately 23:45 EST. You know, some folks are sleeping, some folks at work, some folks trying to bust-a-nut, some folks are inundated with private messages and the massive amount of attention that they receive that they become overwhelmed and are unable to be concerned with my referral.
By Skittles [Ignore] 02,Mar,21 11:52 other posts 
That is good to know

Also with regard to Leo's reports.. that is telling...

By sherryann [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:16 other posts 
So if I verified someone, and they were reported, what happens? It sort of said to keep abreast of it. Thanks if anyone answers.
By Jamie [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:29 other posts 
I think you loose the right to verify only if they are deleted
By bella! [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:37 other posts 
No, not totally correct. This is what admin says;

"What happens if you give a false verify?
- In case if it's discovered that verified member is actually a fake, all members who verified this member get their verified status revoked, their ability to verify permanently blocked and all verifications given by them in past to other members are also revoked which may cause further "chain reaction"."

I recall the situation but cannot remember the verified member's name... a SYC member sent him private pictures of herself, her face, and the SYD member uploaded the pictures as a form of blackmail. He was deleted and the members that verified him lost their privilege to verify others. I reached out to admin on behalf of one member and said we verify body parts, not their integrity. admin reconsidered and made the members whole, once again.
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I remember the member's name, it was jtmoney.
By sherryann [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:41 other posts 
Thanks for these answers.
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 24,Feb,21 09:09 other posts 
Seems a little harsh. Wouldn't a year suspension be enough?
By bella! [Ignore] 24,Feb,21 12:14 other posts 
Clarify, what seems harsh?
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 25,Feb,21 22:10 other posts 
If this statement is true then I think it's a harsh penalty.

"What happens if you give a false verify?
- In case if it's discovered that verified member is actually a fake, all members who verified this member get their verified status revoked, their ability to verify permanently blocked and all verifications given by them in past to other members are also revoked which may cause further "chain reaction".
By bella! [Ignore] 25,Feb,21 22:50 other posts 
Well, that's admin's rule.
By TWOWARMTTS3 [Ignore] 26,Feb,21 09:38 other posts 
Yes. I know. He's being too hard. We have major troll characters and he is worried about members doing a favor??? too harsh
By bella! [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:39 other posts 
sherryann, as much as I feel that leopoldij is a disgusting pig, that report is not going to go anywhere.
By Jamie [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:42 other posts 
Why vita can't verify anyone are I can't verify him?
By bella! [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:48 other posts 
Huh? Vita is verified, are you saying you cannot add your verification to his profile?
By Jamie [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:49 other posts 
Yes or him to me
By bella! [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:52 other posts 
Really? That's odd! Why not ask admin !?
By admin [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 11:34 other posts 
Admin would say that the verification script has error messages for every kind of outcome so the question "why" is ambiguous.
By bella! [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 11:41 other posts 
Oh, you are being so playful!
By sherryann [Ignore] 21,Feb,21 20:43 other posts 
bella, thank you for answering me.
By dgraff [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 05:21 other posts 
If it worries you sweetheart you can always yank your verification I have on certain situations
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You can just bet lix is rounding up the troops to save Leo just the same as i am rounding up the troops to gas his sick ass any how as soon as the freeze is lifted Iím sure you will see people vote that never have before
By sherryann [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 08:11 other posts 
Hi dgraff I believe leo is real so that's why i verified him. But i am gonna opt out of the verification part of the site, i dont understand any of it anyway.
By Skittles [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 14:22 other posts 
Leo is a bottom feeder. A site bucket
By sherryann [Ignore] 22,Feb,21 16:19 other posts 
Hi Skittles
By Skittles [Ignore] 23,Feb,21 20:16 other posts 
sherryann Hey!
By sherryann [Ignore] 26,Feb,21 00:26 other posts 

By whatsupcocks [Ignore] 26,Feb,21 07:25 other posts 
Why even get verified . When you can have it taken away at any time by something that you had nothing to do with or no control over. Seems like a waist of time. I think it should be done away with. I was verified for over 4 years and then it was gone.
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no info to why or

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