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Started by cody8789 [Ignore] at 04,Dec,18 21:10  other posts
If it looks like the site is going to close, why not go back the way it was and make it where the more points you have, the more power you have. At this point who cares if there's fighting and crying, I think that might be kinda fun. And admin can wash his hands when members go crying to him by just ignoring them. Let the high point paying members run the site and let admin just sit back and close his ears to the criers. You have nothing to lose.

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By Angelofdeath [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 21:15 other posts 
I get where Admins coming from. Its amazing that the site has lasted as long as it has considereding one person is running it, and that it hasn't suffered any major security breaches. Main chat was fun, but it did get juvenile after a while with the attacks and I'll take some of the blame with that. The forums are fun but I dont feel like they should be moderated. There are those already that feel the forums are theirs and theirs alone and that gives it that whole you can't sit with us at the cool kids table. I am a memeber at lpsg and they have been around a long time as well, and I like how the forum has catagories. I feel that maybe if there was some structure that it would cut down on certian topics being repeated endlessly and users would have a place to voice their opinions of give feedback or be able to ask questions on those subjects. While I dont feel as it should be moderated, there maybe could be a team that can help categorize certain posts that belong in certain areas. Maybe also an option to do voice chat or video can be implemented? I don't know how expensive or viable that would be, but its an idea. The pom contests are fun but its always the same people winning or running and their followers voting. That makes it feel more like a popularity contest more than anything. There should be a limit that keeps others from running more than twice in a six month period. Memberships are fun and so are the benefits that come with it, but some people just dont have the ability to afford such things. If the sites being used for hookups and such maybe it would be beneficial to have people that are intrested in that type of thing pay for certian features similar to how Plenty of fish operates. You want to spam someone with your dick and get rated? Then you should have to have a certain membership level that allows you to do so. As for the fighting, regretfully that happens on all platforms. Im no better than anyone else and I'll again take my share of blame for contributing to drama, but if you can't resolve the conflict then just ban the person. Admins not a baby sitter or referree, and shouldn't have to keep intervening . If a person says something you dont like or agree with after a ban, then it's your fault for getting mad and signing out to read it.
Typos. Cant be bothered to fix them right now. Honestly I dont really use points, but the only thing you can really use them on is gifts and even then i dont gift a lot. Maybe the point system can be used to cut back on spam messages from guys going to anyone and sending them their dicks and asking stupid questions to people that don't want contact.--------------------------------------- added after 8 minutesAlso those that complain that the site sucks and such are idiots. They constantly bitch but yet they keep coming back.
By 2nice [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 21:24 other posts 
All good stuff, AOD.
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 06:01 other posts 
Believe me, if making video chat was cheap and simple I would make it long ago. There are services that allow to make free chat, but they do not allow adult, you can use them until you are busted. And other solutions are quite expensive.

It's an interesting idea about premium being required to spam private uploads but I'm afraid I closed that door when I made an option to block private uploads. With this feature I can't guarantee that member will be able to send private uploads to everyone even if he is premium.

And actually points are typically used to promote pics via banner and to fight over main page. You, being a female, just don't need it.
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 08:07 other posts 
Admin, I've been running a poll on how forums are viewed by members. Somehow the poll was split into two. The point is that /polls/1254.html this section shows that private forums should be an option. I have a ton of fun chatting with all these pervs that are part of the community, (thank you for creating this wonderful site) but, the forums, with a few changes, is where the real fun is at. Like Angel of Death suggested, maybe we could have different departments for different types of threads, similar to the different locations for pics (tits, pussies, etc). One more thing. I know you've been against it before, but, I still believe that a member OWES the site at least a purchase of points every so often, regardless of how hard it is to find a payment method. Thank for listening.
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 08:46 other posts 
This suggestion about multiple sections in forum arises every once in a while. From my experience it does not work unless there is a wast number of members. Literally, I have not seen a single site where this works unless there is a substantial amount of participants. I'm honestly too lazy to do it just to tell "I told you so" later. Still, if I'm in a proper mood I may do it.

And the site already looks like a maze for most of people. I would think that it needs to be simpler, not more complicated.
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 08:51 other posts 
It's a lot more difficult looking for a particular type of forum. If you are not into male gay or "curious" type of forum, it's hard to find one. Bella's forum is popular, in my opinion, because her subject is totally different.
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 10:16 other posts 
By the way, do you realize that you can create a group that would be exactly that - a topic either public or private where you can delete posts?
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 11:07 other posts 
I do realize that groups have that, but, even the open, public ones asks you to "join the group" before you can see the content. Public forums allow you to sample the flavor of the thread(s) and lets you comment on the parts you like. In that respect, the forums are much friendlier. What's more, while you have a handy list of groups you belong to, the forums migrate to the top of the 1st page without any impute from you, even though there's no membership on the thread
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 12:00 other posts 
If you make a thread private it will not be visible to anyone. So it will not have properties you like.

I can make that thread creator can delete comments pretty easy, it will have it's own problems though.

If you want that a thread is visible but people can't participate in it unless you invite them... well, this can be done, but it's not gonna work as you imagine. Not at all.

I've seen this conception on other site it was called private inboxes but they were not visible to everyone.
By Angelofdeath [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 20:06 other posts 
I think the forums should be open to all members.
By cody8789 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 20:10 other posts 
I agree totally
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 07:54 other posts 
Angel, I agree with many, if not all the points you make. Your comment on how members feel the forums are theirs hit a nerve with me. I believe that the forum creator should have the option to make the thread private or semi-private, maybe for friends only or by invitation similar to the "groups" section. I also believe, like you, that the forums should be wide open with no moderation. If there are confrontations, blocking is very effective. I do believe that a block should disappear on it's own in 2 to 4 weeks.


By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 13:44 other posts 
By the way, you are talking about help, but no one told me that invite buttons on chat page actually do not work and never worked. And they are there for at least 1 year already... I think I have fixed them now.


By mobiusdick [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 10:57 other posts 
Admin, can you give us a date when the site is closing, and would it just be better to go ahead and delete my account?
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 12:12 other posts 
I don't know. As I said - either when server dies or when I get cut off financially due to some other new retarded regulations on porn and banking industry. Both of these events are unpredictable for me. I took 2 hits in past 2 years and had to reorganize, and each time it's more and more difficult and more and more expensive.


By 2nice [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 18:36 other posts 
I love this site. There is not another one like it out there. Itís like a naked Facebook. I do not understand why itís not insanely popular. I know there is a market for it. A medium where you can expose and express yourself in a fashion thatís fairly secure in concealing your identity. I completely believe if it was more accessible, or advertised, it would blow up. HUGE! Iíve been a member on this site for many years. Iíve met some amazing people here. People, friends, I would have otherwise NEVER crossed paths with. Iím thankful for that. I think admin has built an amazing community here. It would be a travesty if all this came to an end someday. Iím certainly willing to do my part to persevere this site in any way I can.
By bella! [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 20:29 other posts 
Nicely said, 2nice!
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 06:27 other posts 
I tried to advertise it in many ways back when I had more income from various sites. It comes down to about $10 per new user most of which never pay. I can spend 10 thousand at best on advertising before running out of money. It's 1000 new users. If I'm very lucky 2 of them will buy memberships. $30 per month for $10'000 advertising expenses. Does this look like a working model?
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 07:43 other posts 
I believe it, too. And if all it takes is a small effort from some of us, I'm all for it. This site has given me so much fun and allowed me to meet so many "on the fringe" people, I would hate to see it go.


By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 06:55 other posts 
Since I ran many sites I know how it goes. Everyone of you have your own agenda and will say that following exactly that agenda will save this site even if every other member have totally different agenda.

I know what's the problem with this site, I made a mistake many years ago trying to bring mainstream public to it. I should have targeted gay and deviant people only. Nothing that is within my possibilities can save this site now. Simply because it's another game now on internet - it's all or nothing. Those that managed to grow big enough will become bigger, the rest will slowly die out. It's happening to every site I know. This site barely missed becoming big enough somewhere back in 2010, regrettably. I can be blamed for this, but I did not know a lot of what I know now, so I doubt I could do any different at the time.

P.S. and it's not about people leaving the site, people leave all the time sites like this one, it's normal. This site is not a bank or a grocery store where people shop all their life, people simply move on, change interests. It's about very few people joining in during past 5 years. Actually the retention of "loyal" members is amazing here.
By cumonme1 [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 07:16 other posts 
So will the site shut down if so when would you expect it to happen ?
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 08:47 other posts 
Most likely when the server burns down or gets hacked because of outdated system. I don't know when this happens. It's almost 10 years old. May be tomorrow. may be another 5 years.
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 09:18 other posts 
So how much or how difficult is it for you to rectify it..?
Is it an easy fix? Help us out with information and I bet there is someone here who can help you sort it out...
By admin [Ignore] at 06,Dec,18 06:13 other posts 
It's not difficult, it just requires about 7-8 grands $$ for a new server. Well, it's possible to use rented servers indeed instead of buying a new one, but it's just not economically viable anyway.
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 07:19 other posts 
First of all,I just want to say..
RESPECT
This may come as surprise,but people do want to help you.
Ask for the help,there are loads of people here who work in technology here,use them..
And I don't have an agenda other than make the site grow.
You have something here admin, people are screaming out for an adult Facebook,you have it,yeah some of us are pains in the ass for you,but you'd miss us if we were gone...
You can't please all the people all the time anyway...

By redbear [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 07:21 other posts 
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 08:52 other posts 
Those who want to help, help. They suggest features, they point out bugs, they point out misspellings. Most just complain to each other, not even in public, so I never know what problems they are having.
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 09:13 other posts 
Just have a page for bug reports and suggestions for the site...
Then you can look at that page and see if the suggestions are worthwhile,you could even have a voting section on the suggestions and let them decide on the new features over a one month timeframe or something...
I'm trying to work the problems,not the people admin..
Offer memberships for potm winners...
Incentives make people do things,offer double points on special occasions....
Even this bit of dialogue helps people see the issues at hand,solutions admin, that's what we want...we know the problems..
Help us to help you..
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 11:13 other posts 
I had such a page, but I closed it long ago. Too many stupid complains and insults, almost no useful suggestions or reports. I even deliberately hidden my contact from non-paying members under 2nd level menu. Only paid members see "support" on their menu, the rest is mostly not smart or curious enough to find it in 2nd level menu. It cut off stupid private messages to me like 95%. And believe me, I'm not being obnoxious or condescending, those messages were really dumb. Half of time I could not even understand what people were saying and I mean native English speakers.
By !LF_DemonCleaner! [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 07:34 other posts 
This is the only site i am a member of and keep on coming back to - itís great. I donít think making it for gay/bi people dating and creepers wouldíve been a better idea. A big chunk of us paying members are straight and polite unless challenged. I know nothing about the internet or tech, but there are other people here that do. This place still has many legs to stand on
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 09:06 other posts 
Indeed you would not be here, but the site would be much more alive.
By CountryCouple54 [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 10:16 other posts 
Would an increase in paying members help? I understand you have to make money to spend money. Is more money needed to update the server? I'm all for pushing as much as I can to help out with persuading members to buy a membership. I mean really, if you buy a 3 month membership it comes out to like 38 cents a day.
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 11:05 other posts 
Several members just can't pay for everyone else. I can't even ask people to pay like that. There is still 20000 members and only 50 pays. It's a joke. Even when it was 50000 members only about 200 paid. People got used that internet is free. Why would they pay if there is so much free stuff on the net? Tumblr for example. Oh, wait.

Big corporations dumped a lot of money over past decade into internet projects. They can afford it, since their goals and monetization methods are different. They basically get customer base - people's data, tastes, preferences, they mostly don't care about revenue from their sites. So everything was free. Now they are starting to draw balances. They start kicking out mature content, censoring inappropriate posts. But most of small sites are already dead or on a brink of extinction.

And there is a side that you are not seeing. It's harder to process cards for adult sites, it's harder to receive money, many banks may close your account if they see you get porn-related money. I can't ask people to pay more because I can't guarantee I won't be shut off financially tomorrow. If this site was huge I could probably figure something out, but with small revenues there is no many options and there is a constant risk. You know how life is, when you are big and wealthy, it's much easier to find solutions and not so simple when you are not.
By Godzillas [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 17:15 other posts 
Tumblr is going into Rated G mode..No nudity allowed..
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 17:44 other posts 
I know, that's why I was laughing.
By bella! [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 18:13 other posts 
Question, if you wouldn't mind answering. You say there are 20,000 members, are you able to determine how many of those 20,000 have not visited the site in more than 30 days?

I suspect that when you say there are approximately 50 paying members, you must be speaking of 50 members who have COMMITTED themselves to reoccurring memberships. I want to believe that there are other members who buy points whether regularly or occasionally.
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 20:51 other posts 
11538 members visited the site at least once during past 30 days. I'm quite sure there are at least 1000 members who visit the site every day or at least every second day.

Points purchases give premium status for 1 month, just not full premium, but I can see it in the system anyway. There are currently 93 premium memberships including from points purchases and gift premiums that are at least 20. There are indeed people who paid at some point in past, but no more than 70 people really pay for the site any given month. And this number was never over 200.
By bella! [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 21:18 other posts 
11,538 members that visited the site at least once in the past 30 days is an encouraging number! But the fact that only 70 people committed to financially supporting the site is not encouraging news.

Thank you for the statistics.
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 07:49 other posts 
I've been involved with site for about 3 yrs. Every 3 months or so someone panics about the site closing. If it is, what is the real reason for the closing? And, why would gay and deviants make the site strong enough to survive? It seems to me it doesn't matter if the member is a drag queen or a nun. He or she is here moving the site forward.
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 09:04 other posts 
Straight men come here to show their junk to women and talk to women, get praised by women. Most of women do not like male junk being pushed in their face and even less like to praise males for their junk. And those males usually have very strange ideas about how to talk to women. Only fake females with men behind them can tolerate that kind of talk. Real women often block those or tell to fuck off.

In other words - people are not getting what they came for. That's why they leave, mostly just couple of days or weeks after joining. It's like if you go to buy coffee in a tea shop. There is none, so you leave and do not come back. It's normal, I can't do anything about that except hiring a bunch of fake females. That is by the way that sites like AFF do. But I don't have that kind of money. Also, I honestly think it's a rip-off, something that is against my principles.

Gay people were connecting here, i.e. finding what they wanted. I made a mistake allowing general public here along with trolls that pushed away gay and "strange" people (body modificators, cross-dressers, etc). Look at some of the abuse reports. People seriously report members for saying they were high on meth or for photos of weed. Everything that is out of approved norm is not tolerated by current public. General public turns everything into boring shit. I did not realize this back at the beginning. I figured it out slightly later, when it was too late.
By !LF_DemonCleaner! [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 10:00 other posts 
Yeah, the meth thing kind of grosses me out (i donít do any illegsl drugs nowadays, but weed and meth are completely different).
Iím a straight guy who has already lucked out here big time by finding a beautiful girlfriend of 2&1/2 years. Iíve actually heard of more straight relationships that started here. Real women who interact numbers have always been small, but they are a lot lower now.
I have no issue with people that arenít heterosexual as all of my friends would attest to, i like talking generally with bi/gay guys and other straight people on here...iím from Sydney (i have a tonne of gay/bi friends in real life - they are fun as).
The great thing about this site is that even though we are showing our private parts; itís also a place to make friends that you can chat with and it doesnít need to be about anything sexual.
That is this site to me - itís incredibly unique in that way
By admin [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 11:23 other posts 
Why the fuck saying that someone is high on meth is an abuse? As long as he is not selling he's free to say anything about that. But you can't say anything like that in modern society of constantly butthurt snowflakes. The whole internet turned into crap.
By Angelofdeath [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 21:22 other posts 
I agree.
By TWOWARMTTS2 [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 10:19 other posts 
Thanks for the reply. I never thought of it that way, but, I use the site to be as raunchy as i can be. Men provide that opportunity for me,,,women??? seldom and for a very short time


By Godzillas [Ignore] at 04,Dec,18 21:31 other posts 
About behavior and all that, just make it vague and simple. No one under 18, no threats of stalking, fight according to the options within the site. make strict T.O.S. rules and regulations. Create moderation so admin doesn't have to be up 24 hours a day. The way the site looks now is a dead site BUT back in the day it was fine as long as people didn't cross the line.
OH, and stop telling people to slit their mothers throats when their mother is on their death beds..
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 02:19 other posts 
If you have moderators this place will definitely be gone even quicker,who gets to be a moderator?this site is unique,part of that is no moderators....

Back in the day, people tore lumps out of each other, it's how I met you fuckers in this thread,chat fights, people called me a cunt,I called cunt at them right back,problem solved...

By Godzillas [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 14:46 other posts 
It depends on the rules you make here. You want flexibility? Sure...
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 14:54 other posts 
Of course it depends on the rules you make, rules get bent and broken here all the time anyway
Nearly everyone who has posted in this forum in some sort of dispute would be banned on any other site...
Some sites you can't even say to someone "fuck off" even in jest...
So how far do you go to moderate content?
By Godzillas [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 15:06 other posts 
Every site has their own T.O.S.. You are correct that this site has more flexibility. After all we can post our dicks and cunts out of fun and enjoyment. We are artists and our viewpoints on selected topics are based on freedom of speech..
Moderation doesn't mean you need to conform to what other sites restrict .. This is our domain, not theirs..
However, posting not leeegal images such as chiiiildren, ****, ****, or other miscellaneous that has zero tolerance would be grounds for dismissal.. NOT being a representative of your true self used to be not tolerated but I read admin has basically given up deleting fakes more or less..
You create a site, you make the rules, you govern the rules, you create an audience and participants..You have fun.. Bring back main chat, logs, 5 people to ban out of chat,,, try and keep fakes to minimum.. The site is suffering more than yesterday is because it's scope or recent success has been changed from its original idea..
By mr_blue [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 15:38 other posts 
Admin generally let's the members Duke it out, that's why this place is unique,cuz of what you say about freedom of speech..
Other sites you can't say half of what we say here...
That's why people like this place, yeah the fakes have gotten silly,but it's not any different to any other site in that aspect, there's catfish everywhere online...
Verification on members would help root out fakes,I know some people get pissy about this,but I see people showing their faces,but can't provide a verification pic...and as admin has pointed out before,the fakes give the guys what they want to hear....
I've done it myself, where just to test a member out, I've said the dumbest shit possible,and I get a response,I know full well if I spoke to an actual women like that,they would tell me to move on...
So fakes become the entertainment,guys start thinking that nearly every female account is a dude...when that is not the case...
Admin only has to put the reporting bounty up to 100 points again and people will report the fakes all day long...
But even then the abuse panel can get tetchy and stupid..
And the changes admin has made,while I don't agree with what he has done with blacklisting feature,all the games and contests generate interest for a positive feature...
It's always been about the members,we drive the content..
Whether it is good bad is up to an individual's perspective at any given time..
By Godzillas [Ignore] at 05,Dec,18 17:08 other posts 
Very good analogy. To admins admission people strive for the bounty even if it includes real members over fake ones. JohnS would be a for example. You just have to be careful with that...
When you use pictures that are not you in order to get attention, points which is stealing in essence goes against the integrity of the business. This is the ONLY name I have and these pictures I can back up with verification. The wild life photos are to add and combine my ideas.. But then again, I am me. PERSONALLY, whether someone is fake or not is secondary since they don't want to reveal their true identity is up to them. The problem here is that the site can't prove if the true participant is within the age range allotted.. But my question is whether it is the responsibility of the site to police such matters? My feeling is that if there are pictures being put up that appear to be very y oung and possess different people on site with females, males and only 1 person listed on his screen names with no permission to display these photos by people on the site should be a breach of site integrity..
There have been fakes that are good people also. If you don't post pictures but are respectful to members of our community I consider that valid.
in conclusion, my synopsis shows that the original idea worked and drew people in our domain back then. Now since many features have been changed is reasons why popularity has diminished. There was persona to our group but not anymore.. All i see is a site that is on life support with main pages showing unreal participants. To some it is art, to others it shows insincerity.. in my opinion this site was set up as an amateur site to express one's sexuality to a degree that they are normally suppressed by sociological rules.. To live in fantasy was the original idea. Follow me? Now it is constricted and the main bloood vessel is no longer functional. It is ironic that the old timers that have stuck it out remember all the great things that happened on this site years past because it meant something to them..So therefore this site was a very special place indeed...
So what can be done in my opinion? Go back to the original idea and build the site from there...


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